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I wouldn't want that, Doug Whaley's honesty got him openly ridiculed by media and fans alike until he was run out of town. IMHO having that cockiness is a requirement of the job.
Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5
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I wouldn't want that, Doug Whaley's honesty got him openly ridiculed by media and fans alike until he was run out of town. IMHO having that cockiness is a requirement of the job.
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You need to sticky this at the top of the forum...
Unfortunately I put the odds of this happening right next to trading for Cirelli
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On WGR-550 today, they were discussing a recent "31 Thoughts" from Elliott Friedman. I can't find what they were referencing but the basic idea was that Ralph Krueger is having a positive impact on the organization but the players are not following suit, or something like that.
The guys on the radio interpreted this to mean Krueger is liked by Pegula but Botterill may be on the hot seat.
Anyone know what I'm talking about and can you provide a link to the article?
The guys on the radio interpreted this to mean Krueger is liked by Pegula but Botterill may be on the hot seat.
Anyone know what I'm talking about and can you provide a link to the article?
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Maybe Botts isn’t as safe as I thought.
8. The Sabres resumed their season with a 5–2 home loss to Ottawa on Tuesday night. At all-star weekend, I heard some talk of the frustration around the organization and how much the losing is wearing on owner Terry Pegula. We’re coming up on nine years since he bought the Sabres. At that media conference, he promised to spend, which had Sabres fans dancing with joy. He’s spent on players, coaches, executives, scouting — everything. They made the playoffs that first season, losing in seven games to Philadelphia. But there have been no playoff berths since, and the team is 80 games under .500 in that span.
Players credited Ralph Krueger with changing the attitude around the team, and Jack Eichel’s having a Hart Trophy-calibre season. But they’re 10 points out as we wake up on Wednesday and there are no easy answers. The disappointment is not going unnoticed.
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RazielMoshman
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This is a great section by Friedman, really interesting. My gut tells me Botterill is safe for another year IF he makes a move soon. If only minor deals happen before the deadline I'd say he's dead meat. Whatever happens I still say it's another 2-3 years before we're near a playoff spot.
I love the idea of hiring Drury as GM, but that's biased because he's one of my favourite all-time NHLers.
Dubi Doo
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Why is everyone interested in Drury? What had he proven that makes people think he'll be a good GM? Honest question...i haven't paid attention to him since he retired.
RazielMoshman
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I'll be totally honest, I have no idea. He was a smart, clutch player and the buzz around him seems good at the moment, especially as he got named GM of Team USA. I don't know how to evaluate whether he'd be a good GM or not, but I think he'll get a shot at it if he wants it and I wouldn't mind it being here.
Beloved former player, rising AGM with a team that has a clear plan. Granted, both of those things are also negatives as well.
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He could get "promoted" to a position that takes him away from the personnel management of the hockey team. "C'mon Jason, it's for the best, we need someone to make sure our arena seating is keeping pace with the expanding butts of America. You're the only man qualified for the job in the organization". He'll get an impressive title, everyone will say he was great GM, and hope another team wants to steal him away.
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jc17
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Pretty good interview.
But if people think Botts sits on his hands...
History of hockey trades by general manager Mike Gillis - NHL Trade Tracker
RazielMoshman
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With how important he seems to think the AHL is, he might see the Rochester GM job as a promotion...
With how important he seems to think the AHL is, he might see the Rochester GM job as a promotion...
For someone who is so dedicated to lip service about his farm team, they are not well-supplied with even cursory NHL prospect forwards. And some of his defensemen are just wallowing without seeing the ice much at all (Hickey, Fitzgerald). The lip service does not equate to reality.
Yeah, I chuckle when he references Rochester and Cincinnati as areas we are having success. We have, what, maybe one NHL top-6 forward in Rochester right now (Mitts)? On defense, Borgen may be a nice 3rd pair/PKer who can drop the gloves now and then, but he's not expected to be a huge contributor on the blueline.
Compare the Amerks roster to, say, Belleville's and the comparison is stark.
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The point is that they are regularly featured in the playoffs and some prospects have graduated through there to the Sabres. Remember how bad it used to be? Sending a player to Roch was a death sentance for their career, it was treated as a training camp with no investment.
Don't make me use the name Rolston!
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Is it possible to give a quick summary for non subs.
Thx
I'm happy for Amerks fans that they have a quality team again. I really am. But, from the perspective of the Sabres, there isn't a ton there that suggests that the big club will be moving the needle soon with the guys who end up making the Sabres. The guy can build an AHL vet-laden club, though, I will give him that.
RazielMoshman
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You're right to be fair, that's a huge criticism. I really believe the Amerks need to be good for the Sabres to be good, but they need a deep caste of prospects (which I don't know if we have). The whole organisation under him seems terrified of risk since ROR.
It's funny, I realise that this thread isn't about whether he should be fired, we're all discussing different reasons why he should be fired. I don't blame him for wanting to save his skin though, Almost every coach and GM from the Sabres since the '99 run hasn't worked since.
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It was notes from a 60 minute podcast interview, so it's hard to do that.
This part made me go hmmmm.
Who does that sound like?
It used to be very similar - they would quickly graduate a player here and there and be mediocre.
Dubi Doo
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Some people think next offseason Botts will have cap to let loose, but let's be real:
Projected cap space next season: 34.5 million
Key RFAs to re-sign this offseason:
Reinhart (8ish)
Olofsson (4ish)
Montour (4.5ish)
Pilut (2ish)
Lazar (1.5 ish)
Thompson (???)
Ullmark (3.5ish)
These are complete estimates on my part, but it seems it's going to cost north of 22 million to keep these guys around. I think I'm being modest in my figures...
We'll round up and say we have 12 million in cap next year after all of our RFAs are signed.
UFAs next year:
Larsson (2.5 ish)
Girgs (2ish)
Let the rest walk
We'll be generous again and say we sign Larsson and Girgs for 4 million total.
That gives us 8 million in cap space next year to make a big splash!
Oh, but wait! 2022 offseason we have to sign Joki and Dahlin! Thankfully we have McCabe's 2.85 million and Johansson's 4.5 million coming off the books to cover it, not!
This doesnt even take into consideration that any UFA would want to come play in Buffalo after nearly a decade of suckage and 3 players requesting trades this past year alone. We're going to have to overpay out the ass to get any solid UFAs.
So, no, we don't have a ton of cap to work with next offseason. We're going to have to be mindful of signing our two most important defensemen the next offseason.
Montour, McCabe, and Miller need to be flipped for forward help or we're going to be lacking forward depth and relying on youngsters to fill roles their probably not ready for once again. Trade those three, and we have 13 million(ish) that can be relocated to other areas of the roster whether it's via players we get back in the trades or UFAs.
Dahlin-Joki
Pilut-Risto
XXX-XXX
That's our core going forward. Borgen can probably take a spot on the 3rd pair next year.
Unfortunately, I don't think Botts is savvy enough to make this a reality. Just remember we wasted a 1st, Guhle, a 2nd, and a 5th for Montour and Miller. Oh, and a 3rd for Vesey. Oh, and a 3rd for Sheary and Hunwick! What a cap genius taking on Hunwick's contract while wasting an asset.
f***ing bum...
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Projected cap space next season: 34.5 million
Key RFAs to re-sign this offseason:
Reinhart (8ish)
Olofsson (4ish)
Montour (4.5ish)
Pilut (2ish)
Lazar (1.5 ish)
Thompson (???)
Ullmark (3.5ish)
These are complete estimates on my part, but it seems it's going to cost north of 22 million to keep these guys around. I think I'm being modest in my figures...
We'll round up and say we have 12 million in cap next year after all of our RFAs are signed.
UFAs next year:
Larsson (2.5 ish)
Girgs (2ish)
Let the rest walk
We'll be generous again and say we sign Larsson and Girgs for 4 million total.
That gives us 8 million in cap space next year to make a big splash!
Oh, but wait! 2022 offseason we have to sign Joki and Dahlin! Thankfully we have McCabe's 2.85 million and Johansson's 4.5 million coming off the books to cover it, not!
This doesnt even take into consideration that any UFA would want to come play in Buffalo after nearly a decade of suckage and 3 players requesting trades this past year alone. We're going to have to overpay out the ass to get any solid UFAs.
So, no, we don't have a ton of cap to work with next offseason. We're going to have to be mindful of signing our two most important defensemen the next offseason.
Montour, McCabe, and Miller need to be flipped for forward help or we're going to be lacking forward depth and relying on youngsters to fill roles their probably not ready for once again. Trade those three, and we have 13 million(ish) that can be relocated to other areas of the roster whether it's via players we get back in the trades or UFAs.
Dahlin-Joki
Pilut-Risto
XXX-XXX
That's our core going forward. Borgen can probably take a spot on the 3rd pair next year.
Unfortunately, I don't think Botts is savvy enough to make this a reality. Just remember we wasted a 1st, Guhle, a 2nd, and a 5th for Montour and Miller. Oh, and a 3rd for Vesey. Oh, and a 3rd for Sheary and Hunwick! What a cap genius taking on Hunwick's contract while wasting an asset.
f***ing bum...
/rant
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That gets their ass kicked in the playoffs, year after year. He can't even do that right.
He might be a Good GM but I don't want to role the dice on another up and comer right now. I know he pushed for Lias Andersen as their pick to be future captain there and that has been a disaster. Not that that will define him but it was a huge misstep for a top 10 pick.
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