Jared Bednar Discussion

[Pokecheque]

I don't disagree with you. Just that I could see at some point during the offseason Byram saying he wasn't really ready to play. I like a coach that will do right by his player first and foremost even when you desperately want to win.

I just don't see this series loss being totally on JB. The team has to execute on the ice and they didn't do that. People have analyzed why and frankly many of them are right. Poor game management, failure to execute, soft play, undisciplined play. It's frustrating because if they took care of these things then they would have won.

I'm disappointed in Landeskog. He wears the C and is supposed to demonstrate leadership by example. His play is a little too inconsistent at times. I wonder how Landeskog would have done had the Avs second-line been able to get going.

No it most definitely is NOT all on Bednar. It's not on any one guy. It's a mix of things.

1. Team played like utter shit in games 3 and 4. That's a little on the coach but that's mostly on the players for putting forth a garbage effort.
2. Sakic failed to address an issue that stems back years--he didn't find a more permanent solution for the team's 3C problem. Jost was adequate so long as MacKinnon continued to dominate and Kadri at least showed up for work. Once both those things weren't true, the team dropped four straight.
3. Not about to blame Grubauer for this series loss because he was mostly good to spectacular but...really can't be letting in a goal that horrible in a win-or-die situation. You just can't. He also wasn't great in game five either.
4. I think Landy was playing hurt but yes, no excuses, his dumbass pass late across the offensive zone blue line and other really bad decisions with the puck (not to mention coughing up the puck and then covering NO ONE on that Karlsson goal) was just...not good.

Bottom line, this team needs to be built better, but their coach also needs to coach better. He has to make better lineup decisions, he needs to make adjustments quicker.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

For those who want Bednar fired...be very careful what you wish for.

 

[Pokecheque]

For those who want Bednar fired...be very careful what you wish for.

My thoughts exactly. If you think Bednar’s insistence on utilizing talentless depth defenders you probably don’t want a guy like Gerard Gallant then. Much as Gallant is a good HC, one of his biggest beefs in FLA that eventually got him fired was that he was all bent outta shape about the Cars trading away Erik Gudbranson. And Gudbranson might actually be worse than Nemeth at this point in his career.

I’m VERY frustrated with him at present but I also gotta give him credit for switching things up and trying out two rookies in the first two playoff games. He also went back to one of them in game five and at least there it paid off.

 

[klozge]

For those who want Bednar fired...be very careful what you wish for.

That's so very true. Roy after Sacco, Bednar after Roy... Avs are not great when it comes to find coaches. On the other hand Bednar has shown he's not interested in changing things and that's why at least I am very confident, we won't ever win the Cup with him. And although I loved watching the Avs this season when they really felt it, I'm all about the Cup now. So yeah, changes are risky and can go wrong, but without change we've already failed.

 

[CalderKing21]

Even if you fire Bednar, that is not going to make the depth issues along the forwards nor the lack of physicality along the D unit go away.
Bednar has issues with breaking up his top line for the most part but then again, no one was exactly lighting the world on fire when we needed scoring from other areas.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

That's so very true. Roy after Sacco, Bednar after Roy... Avs are not great when it comes to find coaches. On the other hand Bednar has shown he's not interested in changing things and that's why at least I am very confident, we won't ever win the Cup with him. And although I loved watching the Avs this season when they really felt it, I'm all about the Cup now. So yeah, changes are risky and can go wrong, but without change we've already failed.

If I would be a betting man I would put money on Bednar winning a Cup within the next five years. If not with the Avs next year it will happen with another team and everybody here will be eating crow. Bednar is a damn good coach.

 

[MarkT]

Do we even know that Bryam was game ready. Everyone is assuming because he was in a regular jersey that he was good to go, but he might have had fitness issues or something else that kept him out of the lineup. If Byram is not ready then who are you putting in if you're pulling out Nemeth? A lot of the hate for Bednar right now is based on the assumption that Byram was game ready. Bednar can only ice who he can ice. Nemeth being in this squad is not bednars decision, but if he doesn't have anyone else to go with then he has to play him.

Great point, but in regards to the bold part:

• MacDonald
• Renouf
• Gilbert
• Burroughs
• Middleton

I'm confident that any one of those five would have been better than Nemeth, and it's not because I think any of them are world-beaters.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Honest question, is that really Bednars role? Or is there a D coach who calls out the next pairing.

Patrick Roy say's it is.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Patrick Roy say's it is.

I miss him

 

[klozge]

I miss him

He had too much of what Bednar has too little of.

Edit: We had identity with Roy, though. Now we're just this team that should be really good and has many fast skaters and a talented defense but is always failing when things become difficult. Maybe we're also the team which is so much fun to watch (when they play weak teams with a passive PK system who had no time or no bigger reason to prepare for facing them).

 

[Pokecheque]

He had too much of what Bednar has too little of.

Edit: We had identity with Roy, though. Now we're just this team that should be really good and has many fast skaters and a talented defense but is always failing when things become difficult. Maybe we're also the team which is so much fun to watch (when they play weak teams with a passive PK system who had no time or no bigger reason to prepare for facing them).

No, the team did not have an identity under Roy and that was a big part of the problem. Roy constantly over-tweaked everything, changed gameplans on the regular. He was gone before his vision of
The team very much has an identity under Bednar, and they made it very clear what it is when they got rid of Zadorov and brought in Toews. The problem there is that he thought he could bring in “grit” in small amounts and it worked against him. He would’ve been better off doubling down on the speed and skill, even though that probably wouldn’t have worked either.

Roy probably had a vision of what he wanted his team to be but that never gained any steam.

 

[xbestboybandever]

No, the team did not have an identity under Roy and that was a big part of the problem. Roy constantly over-tweaked everything, changed gameplans on the regular. He was gone before his vision of
The team very much has an identity under Bednar, and they made it very clear what it is when they got rid of Zadorov and brought in Toews. The problem there is that he thought he could bring in “grit” in small amounts and it worked against him. He would’ve been better off doubling down on the speed and skill, even though that probably wouldn’t have worked either.

Roy probably had a vision of what he wanted his team to be but that never gained any steam.

And you are left wondering, what if Roy had gotten the team he envisioned?

 

[Pokecheque]

And you are left wondering, what if Roy had gotten the team he envisioned?

Frankly I think it would’ve been a disaster, I don’t think Roy was a good NHL coach. I also don’t think he had a good eye for talent either. I miss his personality and that first season was fun as hell to watch, and I also want to see him get another chance…but I think he will fail.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Frankly I think it would’ve been a disaster, I don’t think Roy was a good NHL coach. I also don’t think he had a good eye for talent either. I miss his personality and that first season was fun as hell to watch, and I also want to see him get another chance…but I think he will fail.

I mean they would’ve kept ROR over Duchene… Holden has carved out a pretty consistent career.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I mean they would’ve kept ROR over Duchene… Holden has carved out a pretty consistent career.

Keeping ROR over Duchene would have been very good decision in hindsight.

I was happy to see ROR go. I was wrong.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Stastny would have been a better keep over Duchene. Just saying.

 

[Hasbro]

Stastny would have been a better keep over Duchene. Just saying.

Girard, Byram, Hammond, Kamenev, Annunen, Zhuravlov, Bowers & Stienberg > Bozak + 2nd

 

[El Travo]

For those who want Bednar fired...be very careful what you wish for.

I'm on board with firing him only if there is a guy like Gallant or Rod the Bod available. With those guys off the table, I'd rather just stick with the guy we know vs. hiring some random guy who has bounced around the league.

 

[crue7]

Just woke up from a dream where JTC was named team captain. Bednar was consistently giving this idiot top 2 line minutes, with not much to show for it.

still don’t think Bednar should be fired

 

[RockLobster]

I really wish at some point we will move on from the Roy discussion because it's been beaten to death so many times. Bednar is our coach now, and we've had a fair amount of success with him at the helm, and I'm hoping like hell that he can do what he says he can do--bring us a Cup.

We've had people breakdown what he tried to do, how he tried to change it, how he changed it so much nothing ever stuck, how he wanted to re-shape the roster but was hamstrung, etc. I believe all of that. He's not above criticism because he also didn't have the greatest track record at things (like Beauchemin was an example of a "Roy signing"), but the shit he tried to do behind the scenes would have largely been celebrated by those who really believe in being aggressive in winning when you have the chance, but also recognizing the importance of drafting/developing. In my opinion part of his downfall here was that he had no patience for it to get going. Think of where they were just a few years ago to where they are now, and it might seem slow, but I'd argue that they're change in organizational thinking is a rather rapid one.

So many things added up and culminated with Roy's decision to leave. Obviously we have had people/one person say it was Jost over Chychrun that sort of sealed it for him. It showed that he had no real say in how he wanted his roster to be constructed, despite the half-measures extended his way. We'll never really know how it would have gone if he had a roster set up the way he really wanted it. I know we wouldn't have MacKinnon with out him, so that alone leaves him "okay" in my book. From there it's about how you view who we kept, who we traded, and who we drafted.

I do think he has the mindset and hockey smarts to be a good NHL coach, but he should be careful where he comes in next because it might be his last shot. He doesn't have the track record to get multiple shots despite sucking ass like a lot of other coaches got over the years.

 

[Shinjuku Calling]

I miss him

Me too

 

[SourRich]

If you lose 4 in a row in the regular season, it can be brushed off as a slump. Lose 4 in a row in the playoffs and there is no possible excuse other than coaching not meeting expectations. Montreal is exposing Vegas with half a talented roster than we have. At wbat point does Jared get the blameHis first line was neutered, he had nothing to show for 2-4 lines. If you don't have skill bring relentless intensity, and that wasnt there either. The fact that Montreal can neuter Vegas is a testimoney to Jared's approach.

 

[MarkT]

If you lose 4 in a row in the regular season, it can be brushed off as a slump. Lose 4 in a row in the playoffs and there is no possible excuse other than coaching not meeting expectations. Montreal is exposing Vegas with half a talented roster than we have. At wbat point does Jared get the blameHis first line was neutered, he had nothing to show for 2-4 lines. If you don't have skill bring relentless intensity, and that wasnt there either. The fact that Montreal can neuter Vegas is a testimoney to Jared's approach.

Colorado doesn't have Carey Price, four hug shutdown defensemen, and Danault and Suzuki as two shutdown centers. They are literally built to "neuter" teams.

I really don't think you can compare Montreal and the Avs and put the difference all up to coaching. They have completely different rosters.

 

[the_fan]

Game management aside, another thing Bednar needs to learn is player management. Good coaches know their players. You can't give a player like Graves the green light to go out there and do whatever he wants, like jumping on offense losing the puck which resulted in a goal, then trying to be the hero in the OT by taking random shots which got blocked and Stone scores the winner on a breakaway. Bednar needs to realize that a player like Graves doesn't have the foot speed to get back in case of mistakes like that, so he has to make him play to his strengths which is PK and stay back and play simple safe game

 

[kl35ha]

Frankly I think it would’ve been a disaster, I don’t think Roy was a good NHL coach. I also don’t think he had a good eye for talent either. I miss his personality and that first season was fun as hell to watch, and I also want to see him get another chance…but I think he will fail.

I would have to disagree on this one…We would have been build like playoffs MTL atm or the Kings/Hawks when they won the SC imo.