Jared Bednar Discussion

[Hasbro]

I hope him playing Kaut and Timmins the last two games is a sign of progress.

 

[MarkT]

Nitpick, but you have a power play with 4 minutes left and trailing by one: PULL THE GOALIE THEN!

That was where Roy shined.

I dunno. There's good reasons not to do this. You have some amazing players one the ice that don't necessarily need another player on the ice to score. Also, if a Blues player gets the puck, and gets lucky, the game is over right there and then. Ideally though, you control the play during the powerplay, then towards the end you pull the goalie so you can keep the man advantage going.

The real issue is that they couldn't keep the puck in the offensive side long enough - it really didn't matter when the pulled the goalie. They wouldn't have won anyway I don't think.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Main pros from my perspective:

- calm demeaner
- willingness to play youth despite being contenders
- rides his big guys
- good structure
- up tempo style

There are a few cons but to me they are just preference issues (blender, special teams,etc). Easily my favourite coach we’ve had and he seems to gel extremely well with our players. There’s never any drama and they have bought into his system

 

[Hasbro]

I dunno. There's good reasons not to do this. You have some amazing players one the ice that don't necessarily need another player on the ice to score. Also, if a Blues player gets the puck, and gets lucky, the game is over right there and then. Ideally though, you control the play during the powerplay, then towards the end you pull the goalie so you can keep the man advantage going.

The real issue is that they couldn't keep the puck in the offensive side long enough - it really didn't matter when the pulled the goalie. They wouldn't have won anyway I don't think.

So the exact thing that happened two minutes later.

 

[dahrougem2]

I dunno. There's good reasons not to do this. You have some amazing players one the ice that don't necessarily need another player on the ice to score. Also, if a Blues player gets the puck, and gets lucky, the game is over right there and then. Ideally though, you control the play during the powerplay, then towards the end you pull the goalie so you can keep the man advantage going.

The real issue is that they couldn't keep the puck in the offensive side long enough - it really didn't matter when the pulled the goalie. They wouldn't have won anyway I don't think.

But that's exactly why you pull the goalie in that situation in order to get the extra man while the Blues are shorthanded so you do keep the puck in the offensive zone.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

But that's exactly why you pull the goalie in that situation in order to get the extra man while the Blues are shorthanded so you do keep the puck in the offensive zone.

That extra man on a faceoff should just skate forward to the opposing side of the faceoff circle. 99 times out of 100 the Avs are losing that faceoff in the offensive zone. At least try to prevent the clean win and clear.

 

[Hasbro]

Third night in a row Kaut and Timmins are in the line up.

I wonder if Sakic told Bednar "Enough of this Megna shit. The rookies might screw up, but we're going to need them to be able to find their ass with two hands next year."

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

The single most impressive part of Bednar’s coaching the last two years has been his ability to coach through injuries.

Along with player leadership, I think he’s done a really good job of never letting the players use injuries as an excuse. He also seems to be able to put the call-ups in a position to succeed.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

The single most impressive part of Bednar’s coaching the last two years has been his ability to coach through injuries.

Along with player leadership, I think he’s done a really good job of never letting the players use injuries as an excuse. He also seems to be able to put the call-ups in a position to succeed.

Maybe he really doesn't have time-tables for players returns and truly prefers to just deal with what's before him and not wonder....yeah, f***ing right.

But seriously, he does a real good job on focusing the game plan on the players he's dealt. Also, the way the Eagles are structured now to be in more alignment with the style of play the Avs have (right?) I think it's easier for the callups to understand and be comfortable with the systems.

 

[zoomzoom]

Ugh, I feel he should be on a shorter leash next season

 

[Drij]

He doesn't know how to adapt to other teams. Time to move on.

 

[Linds]

He'll get another NHL coaching job, but you can't run it back a 4th time after getting bounced 3 times in a row in the second round. Idk why he insists on changing the d pairs every 2nd shift.. look at poor Sammy G some costly turn overs in game 6 from being all over the ice with random partners with no chemistry. Also why the f..k is Byram not put in at God damn point vs Vegas
That's unacceptable especially when he was unreal defensively all season and can actually pass and skate out of the d zone, unlike Graves and Nemo. Who are apparently " good on the pk". Those f**king sloths are the ones that are in the box half the game anyways.

 

[BaconNater]

"I wont be surprised if Byram is in the lineup in this series"

But also I wont insert him after a win or a loss or shitty defense turnovers

 

[The Abusement Park]

It's time to move on personally. I love what Bednar has meant for this organization and where he's brought us, but his time has come I think. 3 straight round 2 exits and this one hurts the most because he was thoroughly out coached. I think it's time for a new voice in the locker room and see if that can get this team over the hump.

 

[MarkT]

Guys, there's already a "Fire Bednar" thread. Try to keep your emotional, reactionary posts over there.

 

[klozge]

We wasted an important year. Jost made some progress, but that's pretty much the only positive thing I can say about our coaching. Things looked a bit different at times because our division wasn't that strong but in the end we had all the highlights of a typical Bednar season and especially Bednar playoffs.
It's been 13 years of bad or mediocre coaching now.

 

[Muffin]

Bednar insisted on feeding Graves and Nemeth ice time even though they were literally making series changing mistakes. It’s time to move on.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Do we even know that Bryam was game ready. Everyone is assuming because he was in a regular jersey that he was good to go, but he might have had fitness issues or something else that kept him out of the lineup. If Byram is not ready then who are you putting in if you're pulling out Nemeth? A lot of the hate for Bednar right now is based on the assumption that Byram was game ready. Bednar can only ice who he can ice. Nemeth being in this squad is not bednars decision, but if he doesn't have anyone else to go with then he has to play him.

 

[CharlesPuck]

Do we even know that Bryam was game ready. Everyone is assuming because he was in a regular jersey that he was good to go, but he might have had fitness issues or something else that kept him out of the lineup. If Byram is not ready then who are you putting in if you're pulling out Nemeth? A lot of the hate for Bednar right now is based on the assumption that Byram was game ready. Bednar can only ice who he can ice. Nemeth being in this squad is not bednars decision, but if he doesn't have anyone else to go with then he has to play him.

i agree. I honestly doubt Bo was available. Or else we would have seen him. Bednar has no hesitation to play rookies, even some without any nhl experience.

 

[CharlesPuck]

Bednar insisted on feeding Graves and Nemeth ice time even though they were literally making series changing mistakes. It’s time to move on.

Honest question, is that really Bednars role? Or is there a D coach who calls out the next pairing.

 

[Pokecheque]

I'll admit that was a massive failing on the part of Bednar to do the conventional "coachthink" thing and stick with two objectively awful players on his blueline. He had to know they got killed every single time they took the ice but he refused to use two players who were available who might have done a degree or two better.

I think Bednar's fatal flaw is his surprisingly stodgy view of the penalty kill. It clouds his judgment on literally everything else. He is insistent on a very passive shot-blocking system when everything else he does is about speed and aggressive play. He goes out of his way to use his worst defensemen on it even though it's at its most effective when the very best ones are on it, because they can secure the puck and clear it. And worst of all he's convinced that if his defensemen aren't familiar with this supposedly complicated PK system, he can't take the guys who supposedly are out of the lineup. Like...what is so complicated? You cover the lower half of the ice and the net-front area. The forwards have that thing where they rotate around and skate in an arc to block passing lanes and what not, but the defensemen don't do anything special in this ridiculously conservative PK system. So I don't get why you can't just throw a player who may not have logged as much time on it and get them up to speed. Just very, very frustrating as I've always praised Bednar for making the bolder, less conventional choice when it came to his lineups and his approach. But going with the "safe" option here was a major factor toward the team's third straight exit in the second round. And while I think he unabashedly deserves to return for another season, this seriously makes me wonder if he's the guy who's gonna take the team the rest of the way.

I've said it repeatedly, Ryan Graves was actually a LOT better killing penalties when he first started with the Avs, he became demonstrably worse when they coached him up, told him not to play aggressively in the corners, and block shots, which he's terrible at doing. So don't tell me it takes a ton of practice time to familiarize a defenseman with this PK system.

Maybe later I'll say all the nice things about him and how much good he's done with this team. But right now I'm still very sad and somewhat frustrated with him.

 

[Muffin]

Honest question, is that really Bednars role? Or is there a D coach who calls out the next pairing.

Who knows, all I know is Byram should've been in in game 4. Team was caved in for two games straight and Bednar refused to make adjustments. Graves and Nemeth gone for EJ/Byram/Barron will go a long way for this team.

 

[flyfysher]

Who knows, all I know is Byram should've been in in game 4. Team was caved in for two games straight and Bednar refused to make adjustments. Graves and Nemeth gone for EJ/Byram/Barron will go a long way for this team.

Were either Byram or EJ really ready to play in the NHL PO game? Serious question. I agree, playing Nemeth was a terrible decision. But I could see JB not playing him if he felt Byram wasn't physically ready to play or throw him in an elimination game after being off for months. Don't want to screw up the kid's psyche. Simple as that.

 

[Pokecheque]

Were either Byram or EJ really ready to play in the NHL PO game? Serious question. I agree, playing Nemeth was a terrible decision. But I could see JB not playing him if he felt Byram wasn't physically ready to play or throw him in an elimination game after being off for months. Don't want to screw up the kid's psyche. Simple as that.

Even if Byram wasn't ready (but if he wasn't why did they very publicly say he was cleared to play?) they still had MacDonald, who is still better at moving the puck AND winning puck battles than Nemeth ever was.

Much as Dater is getting shat on right now, he just tweeted that Sakic's deadline acquisitions were a big fat zero, and honestly, he's right. Both of those players were net negatives anytime they took the ice.

 

[flyfysher]

Even if Byram wasn't ready (but if he wasn't why did they very publicly say he was cleared to play?) they still had MacDonald, who is still better at moving the puck AND winning puck battles than Nemeth ever was.

Much as Dater is getting shat on right now, he just tweeted that Sakic's deadline acquisitions were a big fat zero, and honestly, he's right. Both of those players were net negatives anytime they took the ice.

I don't disagree with you. Just that I could see at some point during the offseason Byram saying he wasn't really ready to play. I like a coach that will do right by his player first and foremost even when you desperately want to win.

I just don't see this series loss being totally on JB. The team has to execute on the ice and they didn't do that. People have analyzed why and frankly many of them are right. Poor game management, failure to execute, soft play, undisciplined play. It's frustrating because if they took care of these things then they would have won.

I'm disappointed in Landeskog. He wears the C and is supposed to demonstrate leadership by example. His play is a little too inconsistent at times. I wonder how Landeskog would have done had the Avs second-line been able to get going.