Jared Bednar Discussion

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If you think bednar is a bad coach, I don’t know what to tell you. Watch more hockey? Plenty of terrible coaches in the nhl right now. Darryl sutter, John hynes, lindy ruff, even tortorella I would throw on that list

Yeah. Right now IMO the best coach in the NHL is Joel Quenneville, hands down. If he wins another Adams, I have no arguments. He is in a tier unto his own. Barry Trotz and Jon Cooper are IMO elite coaches, just not on Q's level. Beyond that it's hard to pin a definitive grade on anyone until you hit the bottom of the barrel. The worst coaches (not counting any interim guys) are likely Hynes and Quinn.

I'd say Jared Bednar is a really good coach. Elite? I don't know yet. But I also don't think you need an "elite" coach to win a championship. You just need elite talent and a coach that puts it in the best position to succeed. Bednar is succeeding wildly with that. Almost every player he's been given, save for Hunter Miska, has been a major contributor thus far.
 

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Sorry but must disagree. Bednar's 'system' is excellent, but is there anything earth shattering about having forwards backcheck? What else about his 'system' is elite? The way the powerplay functions when PP1 has a Top 2 C and a top 2 Dman in the league? ( And Mikko as a sniper!) The ability of the team to cycle? The inability, for 2 years, to form a D Zone exit strategy? The epidemic of too many men penalties last year? The fact that he has massive difficulty making in-game adjustments? The Bednar Blender, which eliminates chemistry ( need not look further than Jost / Nuke / Donk playing together for 2 weeks)? The wholly and entirely predictable PP O Zone entry? The inability to form a strategy to combat teams which clog up the N Zone? The abject inability to come back when the other team scores first? The inability to mount a 3rd period comeback of any kind?

At absolute best, Bednar is an average coach. He routinely is outcoached by other average coaches. Injuries have not been his friend, so I don't think that any rash decisions are needed. That said, next year is his 'contract year' and he better start making changes to the faults featured above if he wants another contract.
There is so much wrong in this post. Take the opposite of all this and you have a great post. Here you go. That was much easier than pointing out what was wrong with it.
 

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Bednar is a good coach, but when you have a team with great talent you have increased expectations.

I have no issues with the guy right now and think he’s done really well. There has to be progress though. He has the talent.
 

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Bednar is a good coach, but when you have a team with great talent you have increased expectations.

I have no issues with the guy right now and think he’s done really well. There has to be progress though. He has the talent.
Hasn't there been progress though? Look at the stats year after year since he took over and even taking into consideration the enormous amount of injuries we have had the past two seasons and I'd say there has been. The guy is very safe for now.
 

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Hasn't there been progress though? Look at the stats year after year since he took over and even taking into consideration the enormous amount of injuries we have had the past two seasons and I'd say there has been. The guy is very safe for now.

Agreed. There’s definitely been progress, but progress must continue. Sakic’s given Bednar enough talent.
 

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Well no, he hasn't. Starting out the season without a legit 3C or 2G is not "enough talent."

Only one goalie plays in the playoffs. If Grubauer is healthy, there’s no excuses there.

The roster is absolutely good enough to show progress and get past the second round. The only perfect roster in the NHL is the Tampa Bay Lightning. Everyone else has flaws and few have the same talent the Avs do.
 

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Only one goalie plays in the playoffs. If Grubauer is healthy, there’s no excuses there.

The roster is absolutely good enough to show progress and get past the second round. The only perfect roster in the NHL is the Tampa Bay Lightning. Everyone else has flaws and few have the same talent the Avs do.

But the backup still plays during the regular season, and that at present still matters. So does a viable 3rd line center. We will see what they do, and I'm still wary of Tyson Jost being the 3C going forward despite some encouraging signs. In any event I'm just going to give both coach and GM the benefit of the doubt for now.

The one thing that, to me, is more on coaching than management at this juncture is the power play. Still not good enough IMO. They seem to be making improvements at least, or making an effort to do so.
 

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I don't think your reasoning for being so critical of Bednar is fair @cinchronicity .

Sorry but must disagree. Bednar's 'system' is excellent, but is there anything earth shattering about having forwards backcheck? What else about his 'system' is elite?

Everyone has known about the importance of back checking for decades. Getting a team to buy into back checking on a consistent basis is the quality of a good coach.

The way the powerplay functions when PP1 has a Top 2 C and a top 2 Dman in the league? ( And Mikko as a sniper!)

Having an average PP like the Avs have had, or even a bad PP, is not the sign of a bad team or a bad coach. Plenty of great teams and coaches have had one of their special teams be really bad.

The inability, for 2 years, to form a D Zone exit strategy?

The Avs problem for the longest time was their defense, specifically it's mobility, and passing. For the longest time they pretty much only had one guy who could do it. It's silly to blame this on Bednar. Once he had more than one good PMD, their exit game has been among the best in the league.

The epidemic of too many men penalties last year?

It wasn't at all an epidemic. The Avs were middle of the pack last year, tied for the 15th fewest bench minors. This year they're tied for the 7th fewest.

Too many men penalties are often the players fault anyway, and you don't define a coach based on this type of penalty.

The Bednar Blender, which eliminates chemistry ( need not look further than Jost / Nuke / Donk playing together for 2 weeks)?

I don't like the blender either, but I've stopped complaining about it, because you can't argue that Bednar gets success with it. Especially with the defensive pairs which are constantly shuffling, while most of the defenseman are playing very well.

Bednar shuffles up the lines/pairs so much, that the downside of being unfamiliar with your linemates is no longer an issue, because everyone is familiar with playing with everyone.

The abject inability to come back when the other team scores first? The inability to mount a 3rd period comeback of any kind?

Last year, the Avs were 4th in winning % when trailing first, and 6th in winning % when trailing after one period.

This year they're 11th when trailing after one period, and 21st when trailing first, but that's in part because they've had so many injuries this year and couldn't score for a while. It's also a misleading number because the sample is so small. It's so rare that the Avs trail first, that despite that winning percentage, they have the 5th fewest losses when trailing first, with 5.

They haven't had a good winning percentage the last couple years when trailing after two periods, but this again is a non issue, because they don't lose many games.

This year they're tied for the 3rd fewest number of losses when trailing after two, with only 5 losses. Last year they were tied for the 2nd fewest number of losses when trailing after two, with only 13.

2 of their 3 wins against Dallas in the playoffs came when Dallas scored first, and we've seen multiple times this year, especially recently, Bednar coach the team to a comeback victory.

The inability to form a strategy to combat teams which clog up the N Zone?

This is a myth.

The Avs dominated the Coyotes in five games last year in the playoffs, winning the last two 7-1. The last two games of that series, and the first two games against Arizona this year, the Avs were 4-0 with a combined score of 23-6.

Avs are 7-0 in their last seven games, which includes six wins against trap teams like Arizona, LA, and Minnesota.

The score against these trap teams in the last seven games is 32-8. In the last three games (Arizona and Minny) the combined score was 16-2. Clearly they know how to beat these teams.
 
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I don’t know if Bednar taught this tactic, or the players just learned to do it, but the defence going cross-ice to disrupt rushes has been super effective.

When the opposing forward breaks out and doesn’t have a passing option beside them the defenceman on the opposite side comes over to eliminate him.

I’ve noticed it the most with Makar, but Girard and Toews do it too sometimes. It’s something only elite skating defenceman can do and the Avs are taking full advantage of the guys who are capable of doing it.

If Bednar engineered this strategy, he deserves a lot of credit.
 
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I really hope the Avs win a Cup with Bednar. Things eventually always go south with a Coach, but it would be nice for Bednar to go down in history as the Avs best coach. He could take the franchise from its absolute darkest point back to the top of the league.
 

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Even if they don't win a cup with him I think he'll still go down as the best coach in Avalanche history.
 

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Especially early on, my largest critiques of Bednar were his inability to adapt in-game. I think as the analytics department has continued to play a role, and as Bednar has learned over the past seasons, he has absolutely improved. Is it still there? Well, there's always that chess match between coaches as a game-within-game, and no one wins 100% of the time.

Power play, and his line-blending are frustrating at times, but I have to say Bedsy's a real solid coach, and the way he handles relationships with the players, and press conferences, is great.
 

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A bit too calm/relaxed for me, almost a bit Swedish in his way leading the team which is both good and bad, no wonder he likes Swedish players, still a great coach, definately. It's a difficult mix there but perhaps he is close finding the perfect team harmony. In tight playoffs games you can't just stand there being calm and relaxed though, then you have to adapt quickly and making the players work 100%.

Hard to critizie right now though, leading one of top teams in the world and getting results.
 
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That Bednar presser last night was great. Definitely one I'd recommend people watching for his answers to the questions about his personal milestone. First he talks about the team and then later goes a lot deeper about how that first season was for him. Very happy for him and I hope he's the Avs HC for a long time.
 

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That Bednar presser last night was great. Definitely one I'd recommend people watching for his answers to the questions about his personal milestone. First he talks about the team and then later goes a lot deeper about how that first season was for him. Very happy for him and I hope he's the Avs HC for a long time.

I wouldn't be surprised if that presser is his defining moment, and we'll be seeing clips from it years down the line. You never seem to see coaches talking like that unless it's in a long-form interview after they're done with the team.
 

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