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90 point seasons aren't what made Sakic, Crosby, Ovi, and McDavid transcendant...
Jared Bednar Discussion
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Ovi being the greatest goal scorer of all time, Crosby consistency, Sakic's longevity, McDavids skill level at high speed is what made them transcend the normal NHL player. MacKinnon is an elite player and one of the best in the league but he isn't transcendent. At least not yet. I also wouldn't consider Kuch transcendent either.
Fair enough - consider the standard definition for a transcendent player; how would you write that?
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We also have the luxury of evaluating all those players, except McDavid, in hindsight with lengthy proven careers. So it's hard to compare their career accomplishments to Nate.
Nate's still only 25 and he's already proven himself multiple times as a big game player. If he keeps having top 5 in the NHL seasons, and wins a Cup or two, he'll definitely be up there with all those greats. He just needs to keep having success like they did.
I don't think that means Bednar is riding his coat tails any more than other coaches with great players though. Rantanen either for that matter.
Nate's still only 25 and he's already proven himself multiple times as a big game player. If he keeps having top 5 in the NHL seasons, and wins a Cup or two, he'll definitely be up there with all those greats. He just needs to keep having success like they did.
I don't think that means Bednar is riding his coat tails any more than other coaches with great players though. Rantanen either for that matter.
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Maybe I'm using the word wrong, but to be transcendent I feel like a player needs to have some sort of skill set or ability that separates them from the rest of the NHL. So being a transcendent player is incredibly uncommon.
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I’d totally agree with that. Just to me the speed at which Mack can move/create plays is comparible to sakics release and longevity foppas ability and vision behind the net ovechkins one timer off of the half wall Crosby and mcdavids overall vision and ability, which in my mind separates all of these players from one another. In my mind, for what that’s worth to you haha
Edit: maybe given further thought a transcendent player is somebody that can take over a game and win it, regardless of who is on the ice for either team. In that case I’d reserve that for Gretzky, messier, forsberg to name a few, I’m sure there are others.
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That’s true, just have to try to follow trends with proven results best we can. It’s always 50/50 though, seems like.
But I agree every championship team has its 1,2,3 players that are heavily relied upon. And that’s not a bad thing, it’s a good sign that there’s mutual trust/respect and that these coaches know how to work with their best players. It’s mutual admiration, not coat tales IMO
Abd just to add from what I can gather during interviews and such most teams that win are those that respect love and grow together.
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But the issue is that while Mack is incredible at that McDavid is way better at it which kind of rules out Mack based on that alone.
I guess I just see transcendent as a level above the elite players. Mack is elite and a very very good player, but I don't see what separates him from the Drai's, Kuch's, or Matthews of the league?
Just give Bowers a goddamn look already! I don’t think Megna will be the difference between victory and defeat.
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Hypothetical future Avs scenario: The Avs fire Bednar and hire Claude Julien
HFavs "Great just what we need a good veteran coach to lead us!"
Juliens first Avs press conference "I will be healthy scratching Bo Byram in favor of Greg Pateryn and will let Bowers and Kaut develop in the AHL for 2 years"
HFavs / DNVR "the avs need to fire julien!"
HFavs "Great just what we need a good veteran coach to lead us!"
Juliens first Avs press conference "I will be healthy scratching Bo Byram in favor of Greg Pateryn and will let Bowers and Kaut develop in the AHL for 2 years"
HFavs / DNVR "the avs need to fire julien!"
Yeah no, I don't really want Julien, but if indeed the Avs choose to move on from Bednar they better not skimp on coaching salaries. They need to cast as far and wide a net as they can and bring in the best coach possible. And NO, not Babcock either.
Something tells me they'll just...promote Cronin in the end.
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If they were to fire Bednar, Gallant is the obvious replacement. But yeah they probably wouldn't go that direction.
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If I was Sakic I would fire Bednar, then rehire him, then fire him, then rehire him again just to shake things up
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If I were Sakic, I'd tell Bednar not to divulge any injury details, then watch the internet meltdown and call for the firing of Bednar, all the while chuckling to myself.
Today's GDT made me want to crunch some numbers.
Avs' team Sh% was tops in the league last season. Right now it's the fourth-worst (Nashville, Boston, and Buffalo are the only three that are worse). Conversely, Avs are tops in the league in terms of driving play, and well-ensconced in the top ten for HDCF% this year. Last season, they were around 16th in terms of play-driving, and 13th in HDCF%.
So in short, the Avs are doing an absolutely marvelous job of taking care of the puck this season, but they just can't get the damn puck in the net. Before they did rely a little on luck and were a little more haphazard with puck management in 2019-20. I realize all this statwhacking is going to give some of you a headache but this is an encouraging sign. If the Avs can get their production back on track they should absolutely run the f***ing table and be killing teams every night.
Avs' team Sh% was tops in the league last season. Right now it's the fourth-worst (Nashville, Boston, and Buffalo are the only three that are worse). Conversely, Avs are tops in the league in terms of driving play, and well-ensconced in the top ten for HDCF% this year. Last season, they were around 16th in terms of play-driving, and 13th in HDCF%.
So in short, the Avs are doing an absolutely marvelous job of taking care of the puck this season, but they just can't get the damn puck in the net. Before they did rely a little on luck and were a little more haphazard with puck management in 2019-20. I realize all this statwhacking is going to give some of you a headache but this is an encouraging sign. If the Avs can get their production back on track they should absolutely run the f***ing table and be killing teams every night.
Yep...
If we can get the PDO just back to average, we'll be a dominant team. If we had the same PDO as last year, we'd be unbeatable. The underlying numbers are just insanely good. Bruins are in a similar spot, almost exactly. It gives me hope. I just can't buy into the idea that Mackinnon will shoot <6% all season. That's a career low. Getting him back to shooting 10%+ is a lot more likely to happen than solving possession issues. This team is the exact opposite of that '13-14 team.
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Why has this thread been so quiet lately?
expatriatedtexan
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Do people really think Bednar is anywhere close to a hot seat? His history with the Avs has been nothing but excellence. If the Avs fail this year, he will not be the problem. It will be what it has often been, injuries to key personnel.
Bednar is straight up a legit Stanley Cup caliber coach. Give him a healthy squad in the post-season and he will make noise.
Bednar is straight up a legit Stanley Cup caliber coach. Give him a healthy squad in the post-season and he will make noise.
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expatriatedtexan
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Bednar is really great. He's not a coach like others...he's unique. If we lose him in the near future, I think we will regret it. The NHL is notorious for turning over coaches, but this would be a bad move for our team. Bednar needs to stay a bit longer.
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It's prudent to wait until the offseason to judge Bednar as he'll be judged on postseason success more than the regular season. He's certainly earned enough rope to get at least another season, but failing to get past the 2nd round again might turn the heat up on him a bit.
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