Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII

[Dennis Bonvie]

Facts, no way JDB comes in cheaper than 7 M if he can duplicate the season he had last year. There is no reason to believe he won't duplicate what he did last year.

I think there are a few possibilities as to why he wouldn't duplicate last season.

That said, if he is playing just as well or better, make him a reasonable offer before the trade deadline. If he wants too much, get what you can for him at that time.

 

[KrejciMVP]

cap going up wasnt designed as a means to overpay

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

cap going up wasnt designed as a means to overpay

Just like workers wages going up wasn't designed as a means to raise the cost of goods.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

cap going up wasnt designed as a means to overpay

A $4M increase means $128M more in salaries are available. Easy to see in a hard cap world. And vet minimums and ELC rates aren’t going up.

 

[JOKER 192]

I think it is going to make it really tough to decide if he's a keeper or trade fodder.

 

[UncleRico]

The money isn’t going to players already under contract. And most isn’t going to go to bottom sixers or bottom pair guys. Unless you think a bunch of teams aren’t going to spend the increase, where is it going to go?

I’m sure most teams will spend to the ceiling. But it’s 4.5% increase to the cap. That will still go quick.

Ultimately Debrusk averages 67gp 20g 19a 39 points per season. That’s not $7m AAV worth of production or health.

 

[BruinDust]

Ya ultimately I’d be $5 - $5.5 max today. If he goes out and proves he can be that 30+ goal scorer and healthy then it can start going up.

If you pro rate 2020-2021 to a full season this is his career averages per season

67 gp 20g 19a 39 points. He misses 18% of the season on average. Go out and prove you can put up 30+ and be healthy and that number goes higher.

Hold on here now.

So a projection based on his most recent season or most recent 100 or so NHL games shouldn't carry any weight?

But pro rating based on the screwed up 2020-21 Covid season, with temporary divisions, isolation, 56 games, etc. etc. That's the season your putting stock in?

Wow.

 

[JOKER 192]

A $4M increase means $128M more in salaries are available. Easy to see in a hard cap world. And vet minimums and ELC rates aren’t going up.

Technically 124M , the Bruins won't have to compete with them selves

 

[UncleRico]

Hold on here now.

So a projection based on his most recent season or most recent 100 or so NHL games shouldn't carry any weight?

But pro rating based on the screwed up 2020-21 Covid season, with temporary divisions, isolation, 56 games, etc. etc. That's the season your putting stock in?

Wow.

Lol that is not what I said or implied at all. But good lord read it however you want.

 

[JOKER 192]

Can Debrusk pass the 30 goal mark first before we start labeling him as a 35+ goal scorer?

Good idea

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Technically 124M , the Bruins won't have to compete with them selves

Right, but in terms of total salary impact.

 

[BruinDust]

Lol that is not what I said or implied at all. But good lord read it however you want.

You spent two pages crapping on people projecting (labelling) Debrusk a 35-goal scorer based on his recent history.

Then turned around and projected based on the 2020-21 Covid season saying the projection matches his career average since he broke in 21 years old as a basis for his next contract negotiation.

 

[KrejciMVP]

if Debrusk takes a contract to play next to braydon point hed get 30+. whats his over under with coyle

 

[Mainehockey33]

if Debrusk takes a contract to play next to braydon point hed get 30+. whats his over under with coyle

Why do you keep saying he’s going to be playing with Coyle again? Even if Bergeron doesn’t come back the Bruins will have more than one center.

 

[UncleRico]

You spent two pages crapping on people projecting (labelling) Debrusk a 35-goal scorer based on his recent history.

Then turned around and projected based on the 2020-21 Covid season saying the projection matches his career average since he broke in 21 years old as a basis for his next contract negotiation.

Yes I pro rated his 41/56 games played to get career average per season based on an 82 game season. Prorating the rest of a season has no positive or negative impact to his career averages. It also doesn’t weight them differently as you suggested in the post before. Actually by definition prorating does almost the opposite by proportionally keeping the same rates.

Whereas you were suggesting adding on goals to adding in goals to an already full season that wasn’t cut short, which would have had an impact on his career averages.


Do you honestly not see the difference between that and saying if Debrusk was healthy then he would have scored 35?

 

[KrejciMVP]

Why do you keep saying he’s going to be playing with Coyle again? Even if Bergeron doesn’t come back the Bruins will have more than one center.

they have no choice with center depth

 

[Mainehockey33]

they have no choice with center depth

Zacha, Geekie. After the year Debrusk had it makes no sense putting him back with Coyle unless it’s working. Debrusk can play both wings so I’d put him with Zacha and Pastrnak before I’d put him with Coyle.

 

[Skelen]

Zacha, Geekie. After the year Debrusk had it makes no sense putting him back with Coyle unless it’s working. Debrusk can play both wings so I’d put him with Zacha and Pastrnak before I’d put him with Coyle.

If Berg doesn't come back, I thought Marchand played well with Coyle.

 

[JOKER 192]

I think there are a few possibilities as to why he wouldn't duplicate last season.

That said, if he is playing just as well or better, make him a reasonable offer before the trade deadline. If he wants too much, get what you can for him at that time.

All gonna come down to how much he wants to be here. Given that he has already asked for a trade doesn't bode well. I think either Bruins overpay or he ends up somewhere in Alberta. Luckily for the Bruins both the Flames and the Oilers will likely want in on JDB.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Zacha, Geekie. After the year Debrusk had it makes no sense putting him back with Coyle unless it’s working. Debrusk can play both wings so I’d put him with Zacha and Pastrnak before I’d put him with Coyle.

Zacha and Geekie arent a serious playoff center core and Debrusk isnt going to thrive in that scenario. Next year you'll see offensive numbers decrease and Bruins will have to win low scoring games

 

[Mainehockey33]

Zacha and Geekie arent a serious playoff center core and Debrusk isnt going to thrive in that scenario. Next year you'll see offensive numbers decrease and Bruins will have to win low scoring games

Zacha and Geekie aren’t a serious playoff center core so that means Debrusk is going to play with Coyle next season? Do you think Debrusk’s numbers would go down with Zacha and Pastrnak?

There were a lot of games last year Debrusk was the best player on his line, I’m not too worried about the coach playing him on the third line with Coyle and Smith if that was your point.

 

[BruinDust]

Yes I pro rated his 41/56 games played to get career average per season based on an 82 game season. Prorating the rest of a season has no positive or negative impact to his career averages. It also doesn’t weight them differently as you suggested in the post before. Actually by definition prorating does almost the opposite by proportionally keeping the same rates.

Whereas you were suggesting adding on goals to adding in goals to an already full season that wasn’t cut short, which would have had an impact on his career averages.


Do you honestly not see the difference between that and saying if Debrusk was healthy then he would have scored 35?

OK then. Not a 35 goal scorer.


Cheers!

 

[KrejciMVP]

OK then. Not a 35 goal scorer.


Cheers!

35 is a lot goals. if jake socres 20+ its a good accomplishment

 

[arider1990]

35 is a lot goals. if jake socres 20+ its a good accomplishment

He had 27 last year and 25 the year before.......

 

[NDiesel]

I posed a question about Frederics future in another thread based on Bergy retiring, but I actually think now is the time as well to ask:

With Bergeron gone, do you more heavily consider moving Jake for a guy like Lindholm or Schiefele? Or Do you attempt to keep your strength on the wings/D/Goalie for the time being?