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Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII

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Mione134 said:
If he didn't break his leg he would of last year.

And the rona shortend seasoned too.
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And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle, but that’s not the reality.

We can play the if, but, should, would game all day but until it happens then it’s simply not the case.
 
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UncleRico said:
And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle, but that’s not the reality.

We can play the if, but, should, would game all day but until it happens then it’s simply not the case.
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Much better to play the pedantic semantic. There’s no automatic contract threshold upon some label or some specific goal achievement. He’s a complementary top line goal scorer in his prime, who also PKs and has become very well rounded despite protestations to that effect. He’s absolutely in that tier and will be paid as that, whether it’s 27 in 64 or whatever. 6-8% of the cap, more towards the high end, is the going rate.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
Much better to play the pedantic semantic. There’s no automatic contract threshold upon some label or some specific goal achievement. He’s a complementary top line goal scorer in his prime, who also PKs and has become very well rounded despite protestations to that effect. He’s absolutely in that tier and will be paid as that, whether it’s 27 in 64 or whatever. 6-8% of the cap, more towards the high end, is the going rate.
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No it’s much better to live in reality. And yes there’s no automatic label or contract, but let’s call a player what he actually is.

Someone isn’t a 30 or 35 goal scorer when their career high is 27 goals.
 
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UncleRico said:
And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle, but that’s not the reality.

We can play the if, but, should, would game all day but until it happens then it’s simply not the case.
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UncleRico said:
No it’s much better to live in reality. And yes there’s no automatic label or contract, but let’s call a player what he actually is.

Someone isn’t a 30 or 35 goal scorer when their career high is 27 goals.
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You're like a broken record. We get it. Debrusk has never scored 35 in a single season. You want to label players this or that, fill your boots.

None of us are in the room negotiating this deal. All I said was given what I feel are fairly safe projections, as Couch/Armchair GM/Fan, I'd be comfortable giving him 6-6.5 million over 5-6 years right here, right now. If the real GM, Mr. Sweeney, can get him signed for that number, I'd be happy as a fan. I think it would be a very good deal for the Bruins.

So, as a fan, what would be a contract you'd be comfortable offering Debrusk? I'd have to assume by now it's less than the 6-6.5 over 5-6 years I'd handed him, given that, you know, he's never scored 35 goals in a single season.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
They can spend on Debrusk and still have plenty of money for other needs. Like $12M+ (even after signing Debrusk for $7M, Sway for $5M, and Freddy for $2.75M) if they trade Ullmark next offseason.


He could also sign a market level deal like McAvoy and Pasta did.
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Come on , it's a far cry from
missingchicklet said:
Regardless of the definition of line driver, where Jake took a big step last season was his shouldering more responsibility in keeping possession in the Ozone. That meant going into corners to get pucks, winning puck battles along the boards, and going to the dirty areas around the net. Three reasons for that IMO: 1) more confidence in his health after dealing with concussion issues, 2) taking it upon himself to do such things since Marchy was not at 100%, and 3) I believe Monty pushed Jake to become a better all-around player.

Jake was excellent on his line in maintaining possession last season in the Ozone. He not only scored a lot of goals, but many of them were timely. He picked up the slack when his linemates weren't at their best. He's the best north-south forward on the team and the best player on breakaways. Perhaps his role will change a bit this coming season based on Marchy being healed better, but there is no doubt that Jake showed for stretches last season that he was the driver of his line, no matter what definition people want to apply to the term.
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No matter what your take is of what drives a line , I think you have illustrated what drives a line right here . Excellent post.
 
BruinDust said:
You're like a broken record. We get it. Debrusk has never scored 35 in a single season. You want to label players this or that, fill your boots.

None of us are in the room negotiating this deal. All I said was given what I feel are fairly safe projections, as Couch/Armchair GM/Fan, I'd be comfortable giving him 6-6.5 million over 5-6 years right here, right now. If the real GM, Mr. Sweeney, can get him signed for that number, I'd be happy as a fan. I think it would be a very good deal for the Bruins.

So, as a fan, what would be a contract you'd be comfortable offering Debrusk? I'd have to assume by now it's less than the 6-6.5 over 5-6 years I'd handed him, given that, you know, he's never scored 35 goals in a single season.
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Ya ultimately I’d be $5 - $5.5 max today. If he goes out and proves he can be that 30+ goal scorer and healthy then it can start going up.

If you pro rate 2020-2021 to a full season this is his career averages per season

67 gp 20g 19a 39 points. He misses 18% of the season on average. Go out and prove you can put up 30+ and be healthy and that number goes higher.
 
UncleRico said:
Ya ultimately I’d be $5 - $5.5 max today. If he goes out and proves he can be that 30+ goal scorer and healthy then it can start going up.

If you pro rate 2020-2021 to a full season this is his career averages per season

67 gp 20g 19a 39 points. He misses 18% of the season on average. Go out and prove you can put up 30+ and be healthy and that number goes higher.
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$5-$5.5M with a gigantic cap jump next year and you may as well buy him a plane ticket out. If Jake goes UFA next year what do you think he gets? Because that matters.
 
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I think Conroy knows what is what in Calgary. I think Sweeney does too. I bet dollars to donuts, there will be a deal around DeBrusk, Grizz, Ullmark + + for - Lindholm, Hannifin until the $$$ make sense.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
$5-$5.5M with a gigantic cap jump next year and you may as well buy him a plane ticket out. If Jake goes UFA next year what do you think he gets? Because that matters.
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I would say it largely depends on this years performance. As I said he gets that 30+ goal mark and he’s probably looking at a big hike.

I’d also say a lot of his numbers could be very dependent on who his center is. Greatly benefited playing with bergeron. If bergeron retires will we see a decline? We saw what the year or so with Coyle looked like and it was a disaster.
 
JOKER 192 said:
Facts, no way JDB comes in cheaper than 7 M if he can duplicate the season he had last year. There is no reason to believe he won't duplicate what he did last year.
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I don’t think he’d sign for less than $7M now

UncleRico said:
I would say it largely depends on this years performance. As I said he gets that 30+ goal mark and he’s probably looking at a big hike.

I’d also say a lot of his numbers could be very dependent on who his center is. Greatly benefited playing with bergeron. If bergeron retires will we see a decline? We saw what the year or so with Coyle looked like and it was a disaster.
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How about if he scores 28 goals this year? You really think he’s a $5m-$5.5M UFA in a market that’s going to change overnight?
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
I don’t think he’d sign for less than $7M now


How about if he scores 28 goals this year? You really think he’s a $5m-$5.5M UFA in a market that’s going to change overnight?
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The caps upgrading $4m it’s a good increase but it’s not going to change the market by much.
 
UncleRico said:
The caps upgrading $4m it’s a good increase but it’s not going to change the market by much.
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The money isn’t going to players already under contract. And most isn’t going to go to bottom sixers or bottom pair guys. Unless you think a bunch of teams aren’t going to spend the increase, where is it going to go?
 
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