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NDiesel said:
I posed a question about Frederics future in another thread based on Bergy retiring, but I actually think now is the time as well to ask:

With Bergeron gone, do you more heavily consider moving Jake for a guy like Lindholm or Schiefele? Or Do you attempt to keep your strength on the wings/D/Goalie for the time being?
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Keep your strength on wing and make a move next summer. I don’t think Lindholm or Schiefelle are guys to go all in on.
 
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With the news of Bergy's retirement, if I'm Jake's agent I am telling to sign immediately if the Bs are offering him a deal with good term anywhere between $6-6.5M per. Assuming Jake will be on a line centered by either Coyle or Geekie (3rd line centers), it will be tougher to put up the kind of offensive numbers he would have with a hall-of-fame talent at center. Not the best scenario for Jake's big contract season.
 
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missingchicklet said:
With the news of Bergy's retirement, if I'm Jake's agent I am telling to sign immediately if the Bs are offering him a deal with good term anywhere between $6-6.5M per. Assuming Jake will be on a line centered by either Coyle or Geekie (3rd line centers), it will be tougher to put up the kind of offensive numbers he would have with a hall-of-fame talent at center. Not the best scenario for Jake's big contract season.
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He'll likely see more PP than before and will probably skate on LW some nights with Pasta.
 
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BruinDust said:
He'll likely see more PP than before and will probably skate on LW some nights with Pasta.
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It'll certainly be interesting to see how he is deployed. Plenty of uncertainty now. Not so sure being on LW with Pasta will be a good thing for Jake's goal totals given how much Pasta shoots and turns the puck over. Jake's game really thrived with Bergy and Marchy.
 
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missingchicklet said:
It'll certainly be interesting to see how he is deployed. Plenty of uncertainty now. Not so sure being on LW with Pasta will be a good thing for Jake's goal totals given how much Pasta shoots and turns the puck over. Jake's game really thrived with Bergy and Marchy.
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There is a correlation between when Debrusk's production turned around and him playing alongside Marchand and Bergeron.

But Bergeron loved to shoot too. And Jake's straight-line game should work well as long as his line has one frequent shooter. Allowing him to capitalize on rebounds, loose pucks, bounces, etc. If I had an issue with Jake is sometimes he'll have a clear lane to drive to the net but doesn't recognize it and puck watches instead.
 
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KrejciMVP said:
Bruins won't be serious contenders until they find a new centre core so Im skeptical in handing out a winger who is centre reliant that much money for that long
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What makes you think he is centre reliant? I don’t buy that. He is fast forechecks well and has a good shot/release.

Jake debrusk is grossly underrated around here. Always has been. He is a good player. He isn’t just good because he was playing with Bergeron.
 
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Kegs said:
What makes you think he is centre reliant? I don’t buy that. He is fast forechecks well and has a good shot/release.

Jake debrusk is grossly underrated around here. Always has been. He is a good player. He isn’t just good because he was playing with Bergeron.
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Spot on !
 
Kegs said:
What makes you think he is centre reliant? I don’t buy that. He is fast forechecks well and has a good shot/release.

Jake debrusk is grossly underrated around here. Always has been. He is a good player. He isn’t just good because he was playing with Bergeron.
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You think he’s grossly underrated around here? Go to the points prediction thread. There’s 9 projections that include Debrusk on the first page. 8of those 9 projected career highs in goals for him. The one that didn’t have him at career highs, still had him projected for 3 goals above his career average.

The overwhelming majority is projecting career highs for him and you think he’s underrated around here?
 
UncleRico said:
You think he’s grossly underrated around here? Go to the points prediction thread. There’s 9 projections that include Debrusk on the first page. 8of those 9 projected career highs in goals for him. The one that didn’t have him at career highs, still had him projected for 3 goals above his career average.

The overwhelming majority is projecting career highs for him and you think he’s underrated around here?
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Two years ago everyone wanted to trade him
 
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rocketdan9 said:
bleacherreport.com

Brandon Hagel, Lightning Agree to 8-Year, $52M Contract Extension

Ahead of his second full season with the Tampa Bay Lightning, Brandon Hagel has signed a long-term contract extension with the club. The Lightning announced…
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What does this mean for Debrusk?
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Hopefully it means he won't get paid here and another team is dumb enough to ignore the fact his production only went up when playing with two hall of fame forwards than any sort of leap in his playing ability. Debrusk is an offensive anchor that's been strapped to Marchand's ankles and has dragged his production down so that JDB can look competent while still having to take on the bulk of backchecking duties on top of it.
 
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EvilDead said:
Hopefully it means he won't get paid here and another team is dumb enough to ignore the fact his production only went up when playing with two hall of fame forwards than any sort of leap in his playing ability. Debrusk is an offensive anchor that's been strapped to Marchand's ankles and has dragged his production down so that JDB can look competent while still having to take on the bulk of backchecking duties on top of it.
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Is this a joke? Seriously though?! Because DeBrusk took a huge step last year and many, many times DROVE that 1st line BY HIMSELF. When Marchy went through his struggles and drought clearly due to his double hip surgery, Jake took over. When Bergy had his, Jake took over. He stepped up defending and his backchecking was much better. There's a reason why he was out there when the other team were on the pp. Bruce started to trust him that way and Monty did too.

Not saying we need to overpay for him to stay. But to act like he's some black hole JAG who only produces with HOF players is asinine. And to say HE dragged Marchy's production down is flat out wrong.
 
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Mione134 said:
Is this a joke? Seriously though?! Because DeBrusk took a huge step last year and many, many times DROVE that 1st line BY HIMSELF. When Marchy went through his struggles and drought clearly due to his double hip surgery, Jake took over. When Bergy had his, Jake took over. He stepped up defending and his backchecking was much better. There's a reason why he was out there when the other team were on the pp. Bruce started to trust him that way and Monty did too.

Not saying we need to overpay for him to stay. But to act like he's some black hole JAG who only produces with HOF players is asinine. And to say HE dragged Marchy's production down is flat out wrong.
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I'm not saying he's not capable of being a solid second line wing when paired with the right players. That said, that's his ceiling. A second line wing that needs to be supplemented talent wise with better players to produce. Effectively he's Glen Murray with a little bit more versatility on the defensive end. Whenever he doesn't have someone like Krejci, Bergeron, or Marchand on his line he's not been able to shine or make other players around him on his line better the way Pastrnak has evolved to do. As flawed as Pastrnak is on the defensive end, he's one of the elite forwards on the offensive end currently and that's something the Bruins have desperately needed for a long, long time since Thornton left.

I just want to see how DeBrusk does when he's not being paired with two excellent line mates, one of which being the best two way centers to ever lace a pair of skates, to cover him and feed him the puck. I don't think that's ridiculous, especially given that his potential asking price to keep him in Boston could be outlandish. No one on the open market was willing to pay JDB $3 million two to three years ago, but the Bruins should be lining up to shell out double to retain him when they lack center depth? I don't think that makes any logical sense. Especially when DeBrusk relies on most of his scoring to come from the slot while other top line wings, like Pastrnak, have the ability to get goals from various positions in the offensive zone.

If DeBrusk shows greater evolution in his game this season and continues to build on a potential breakthrough he had this year, then I will gladly say I was wrong in my assessment. I just don't think he's worth the money he's asking.
 
EvilDead said:
I'm not saying he's not capable of being a solid second line wing when paired with the right players. That said, that's his ceiling. A second line wing that needs to be supplemented talent wise with better players to produce. Effectively he's Glen Murray with a little bit more versatility on the defensive end. Whenever he doesn't have someone like Krejci, Bergeron, or Marchand on his line he's not been able to shine or make other players around him on his line better the way Pastrnak has evolved to do. As flawed as Pastrnak is on the defensive end, he's one of the elite forwards on the offensive end currently and that's something the Bruins have desperately needed for a long, long time since Thornton left.

I just want to see how DeBrusk does when he's not being paired with two excellent line mates, one of which being the best two way centers to ever lace a pair of skates, to cover him and feed him the puck. I don't think that's ridiculous, especially given that his potential asking price to keep him in Boston could be outlandish. No one on the open market was willing to pay JDB $3 million two to three years ago, but the Bruins should be lining up to shell out double to retain him when they lack center depth? I don't think that makes any logical sense. Especially when DeBrusk relies on most of his scoring to come from the slot while other top line wings, like Pastrnak, have the ability to get goals from various positions in the offensive zone.

If DeBrusk shows greater evolution in his game this season and continues to build on a potential breakthrough he had this year, then I will gladly say I was wrong in my assessment. I just don't think he's worth the money he's asking.
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Glen Murray was an elite scorer at his peak though and DeBrusk hasnt come close to 90 plus points. I just think the Bruins have very little after Pastrnak thats in that relm of player
 
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Hopefully it means he won't get paid here and another team is dumb enough to ignore the fact his production only went up when playing with two hall of fame forwards than any sort of leap in his playing ability. Debrusk is an offensive anchor that's been strapped to Marchand's ankles and has dragged his production down so that JDB can look competent while still having to take on the bulk of backchecking duties on top of it.
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You need to buy a tv
 
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Mione134 said:
Is this a joke? Seriously though?! Because DeBrusk took a huge step last year and many, many times DROVE that 1st line BY HIMSELF. When Marchy went through his struggles and drought clearly due to his double hip surgery, Jake took over. When Bergy had his, Jake took over. He stepped up defending and his backchecking was much better. There's a reason why he was out there when the other team were on the pp. Bruce started to trust him that way and Monty did too.

Not saying we need to overpay for him to stay. But to act like he's some black hole JAG who only produces with HOF players is asinine. And to say HE dragged Marchy's production down is flat out wrong.
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DeBrusk had 37 goals last 82 games playing 4 months with two broken bones

He is getting 8/50 or more

I’d keep him
 
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DKH said:
You need to buy a tv
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I'm looking at the analytics which tell the full story. He's not worth the money and term he's asking for. Don't like it, tell the data that. The idea he's worth $50 million over 8 years is foolish. That's the kind of contract the Wings gave out like candy to players like Justin Abdelkader or Johan Franzen, only for it to royally backfire. The max the Bruins should give in terms of length at most is 4 years, so that they have some wiggle room to get out of it should DeBrusk become injury prone or the team is ready to go in a different direction.
 
EvilDead said:
I'm looking at the analytics which tell the full story. He's not worth the money and term he's asking for. Don't like it, tell the data that. The idea he's worth $50 million over 8 years is foolish. That's the kind of contract the Wings gave out like candy to players like Justin Abdelkader or Johan Franzen, only for it to royally backfire. The max the Bruins should give in terms of length at most is 4 years, so that they have some wiggle room to get out of it should DeBrusk become injury prone or the team is ready to go in a different direction.
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I’ll give you this - you are consistent. Unfortunately it’s being wrong

DeBrusk had 37 goals last 82 regular season games and Abdelkater in 11 years had one 20 gold season (23)

Franzen signed an 11 year deal that led to the change

When DeBrusk signs his eventual next deal it will be where I’m at

Anyone who’s read your posts has a good idea how you will respond
 
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