Former Bruins Jake DeBrusk - gone to Nucks

[HustleB]

You have to admit that consistency is a problem with him, and not a small one.

Show me the guys who score at the same pace but are more consistent? Are they available? I mean maybe Marchesault but I'm not sure. Scorers are streaky.

 

[HustleB]

Can you ignore individual threads

Yes.

 

[DKH]

I need to dig into the features of HF Boards as it seems there are some things I am not taking advantage of.

On the Main Boards, is there an option to send an electrical charge to the testicles of anyone who uses the "AINEC" thing? No particular reason for asking, just wondering.

I found out in high school if I didn’t like a teacher I would give one word or short answers which I would have thought would make them happy because I was always goofing around or talking but seemed to have opposite effect

 

[Concessionaire]

Show me the guys who score at the same pace but are more consistent? Are they available? I mean maybe Marchesault but I'm not sure. Scorers are streaky.

Let's compare JDB to Trent Frederic. I believe JDB is the better player...

Both players are coming off of nearly identical seasons, points wise:
JDB 19G 21A (80 games played)
TF 18G 22A (82 games played)

Now do a Google search: "Trent Frederic scoring drought"
Then do this search: "Jake Debrusk scoring drought"

The difference in expectations is stark.

Of course playing with a broken hand doesn't help, but people expect more from Jake. His habit of falling into extended scoring droughts is a significant obstacle to reaching his potential.

The question for management is: Do we offer JDB a contract with a number that is partially based on his unrealized potential?

I guarantee with the salary cap going up that there is AT LEAST one NHL team willing to do exactly that.

 

[JAD]

It's basic economy. What he gets on the open market will determine what is his value.


Overpay or underpay is an appreciation.
Numbers determine what his value is, at least for the team willing to pay.

Your last eight words said it all.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if Jake stayed in Boston, I just don't want to overpay for what he brings on a nightly basis. I'm sure Sweeney has a number in mind. I'm also sure Sweeney is looking at his current wingers and trying to project 2, 3, or 4 years down the line. How much longer will Marchand play. Who does he feel he could sign in FA or aquire in a trade. I'm sue it's all being taken into consideration.

For my liking anything 5.5 and under would be fine.
I have no doubt DeBrusk could get more the open market, but the question is where?
He comes from a team with a winning culture. How many teams with cap space and the need for a winger of Jake's skill set have the cap space? Pittsburgh has been mentioned and short term that might work for him, but in the next few years their top 2 centers will be retiring ... then what? I wounder how much say the player actually has in where he goes as opposed to his agent just looking for the greatest payday. I'm sure he could get more money in a place like Utah, but they may be a middling middle of the pack team for years. If he was willing to take a contract similar to the one I suggested (5.5 or less to stay in Boston) then Edmonton might be intriguing.
A lot of potential in different scenarios and as I said the team with the greatest need and space will overpay or offer to overpay for his services.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I found out in high school if I didn’t like a teacher I would give one word or short answers which I would have thought would make them happy because I was always goofing around or talking but seemed to have opposite effect

Teachers appreciate effort. The biggest thing they look for is growth, no matter your starting point

 

[Kegs]

I don’t really think it’s about money. I think it’s really about if jdb wants to stay. Maybe he wants to join Edmonton next season or something.

 

[goldenblack]

A 6 I can see. A 7???? Yikes. Not saying it won't happen, but that would be a ballsy gamble for a GM.

There is a particular player who scored 30, 22, 12, 35, 31 goals, then got his new deal two years before Debrusk's next deal. This player got almost 9M.

Now with the cap up, Debrusk is:

27, 19, 5, 25, 27, 19

7M doesn't look so outrageous in that context, with the cap up....

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

There is a particular player who scored 30, 22, 12, 35, 31 goals, then got his new deal two years before Debrusk's next deal. This player got almost 9M.

Now with the cap up, Debrusk is:

27, 19, 5, 25, 27, 19

7M doesn't look so outrageous in that context, with the cap up....

No GM is judging Debrusk solely on how many goals he's scored. Even at that, the other guy is a 3-time 30 goal scorer.

How does the mystery man here compare to Debrusk in points scored?

 

[whatsbruin]

Let's compare JDB to Trent Frederic. I believe JDB is the better player...

Both players are coming off of nearly identical seasons, points wise:
JDB 19G 21A (80 games played)
TF 18G 22A (82 games played)

Now do a Google search: "Trent Frederic scoring drought"
Then do this search: "Jake Debrusk scoring drought"

The difference in expectations is stark.

Of course playing with a broken hand doesn't help, but people expect more from Jake. His habit of falling into extended scoring droughts is a significant obstacle to reaching his potential.

The question for management is: Do we offer JDB a contract with a number that is partially based on his unrealized potential?

I guarantee with the salary cap going up that there is AT LEAST one NHL team willing to do exactly that.

I use to think he had unrealized potential, but he's been in the league long enough to know what you see is what you get. A good year for him will be 25 to 30 don't think he cracks 30. Ave year 20 to 25, and sub year under 20.

 

[Bradely]

So John Tavares and David Pastrnak have the same value in your world?

Nope, but Leafs paid John Tavares what they believed was his value was WHEN they signed him.
Easy coming after 6 years after Tavares signature and do the comparaison with Pasta.

 

[BlackFrancis]

There is a particular player who scored 30, 22, 12, 35, 31 goals, then got his new deal two years before Debrusk's next deal. This player got almost 9M.

Now with the cap up, Debrusk is:

27, 19, 5, 25, 27, 19

7M doesn't look so outrageous in that context, with the cap up....

Jake DeBrusk vs. Timo Meier?

Oh holy Jesus.

 

[BergyWho37]

So John Tavares and David Pastrnak have the same value in your world?

One was a UFA the other one chose to stay on the team he loves..

This is a disingenuous post and can’t be used as a comparison at all IMO.

 

[goldenblack]

Jake DeBrusk vs. Timo Meier?

Oh holy Jesus.

But if Timo got 8.8M back when he did, you think 7M is a HUGE stretch for Jake? I'm not so sure after those playoffs. I think Utah, Calgary, few others might just hand him 6.95M for example.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

All I can say: can't wait for drama come to an end. Imo, it's Krug 2.0

 

[DKH]

Bruins have one forward on roster under 30 who’s scored 25 goals in a season and no one on horizon

DeBrusk did it 3 times and is 27 but he did oversleep that time, and he did blame apparently something on somebody

 

[Eddie Munson]

There is a particular player who scored 30, 22, 12, 35, 31 goals, then got his new deal two years before Debrusk's next deal. This player got almost 9M.

Now with the cap up, Debrusk is:

27, 19, 5, 25, 27, 19

7M doesn't look so outrageous in that context, with the cap up....

Timo had 40 goals in 2022-2023 (31 with SJ and 9 with NJ) He signed an 8.8 contract after that year. Not a ton of 40 goal scorers in the league.

Tough to find good comps to Debrusk. Kempe maybe?

Honestly I don't bat an eye at anything 5.5m-6.25m. 6.25m-6.5m I'd probably pull the trigger but would be reluctant. Higher than 6.5m and I think that you're overspending for a guy that just doesn't always have his game and/or offense.

Also, I think it's disingenous to think we have to replace Debrusk with another Debrusk. Replacing what Debrusk brings doesn't have to be one signing. It could mean allocating appropriate funds for each skill set ie spend the 7m Debrusk wants to a pure offensive talent and spend 2-2.5m to get a bottom-6 PK specialist that brings energy. To me that's far less risky than signing Debrusk to a 7m+ contract and knowing you got a two-way player that for long stretches not only doesn't score but can seem disengaged.

 

[Bradely]

Your last eight words said it all.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if Jake stayed in Boston, I just don't want to overpay for what he brings on a nightly basis. I'm sure Sweeney has a number in mind. I'm also sure Sweeney is looking at his current wingers and trying to project 2, 3, or 4 years down the line. How much longer will Marchand play. Who does he feel he could sign in FA or aquire in a trade. I'm sue it's all being taken into consideration.

For my liking anything 5.5 and under would be fine.
I have no doubt DeBrusk could get more the open market, but the question is where?
He comes from a team with a winning culture. How many teams with cap space and the need for a winger of Jake's skill set have the cap space? Pittsburgh has been mentioned and short term that might work for him, but in the next few years their top 2 centers will be retiring ... then what? I wounder how much say the player actually has in where he goes as opposed to his agent just looking for the greatest payday. I'm sure he could get more money in a place like Utah, but they may be a middling middle of the pack team for years. If he was willing to take a contract similar to the one I suggested (5.5 or less to stay in Boston) then Edmonton might be intriguing.
A lot of potential in different scenarios and as I said the team with the greatest need and space will overpay or offer to overpay for his services.

I am just a fan. I don't know what Sweeney thinks nor Jake. I also don't know what teams would or could be interested and more how much they are willing to pay for DeBrusk. But one thing is sure, alot of money were given to players thru the years and some GM do have the pencil less tighten. And on an open market, his value could (not saying it will), be higher than some think. Jake is a good hockey player.

More, IMO, Jake on a 6 years deal, needs to take a home discount (to lesser expectation and pressure) here or Sweeney needs to come out with a great contract with not to much restrictive clause (or he could have a grenade in his barn).

Look at this thread, Jake Debrusk is not for the Boston fans a unanimous choice, even if he takes a home discount.

If I was him (which I am not), I go on the open market and do not resign in Boston and IMO if Boston signs Debrusk the numbers will be low or w/o to much restrictive clause.

But Hey, I am no one, so I might be wrong.

 

[BruinsJoe]

Good offensive player, really good defensive player, speedy guy, Debrusk not signed yet that means for me that s gone and now Sweeny will need to replaced him...buy who? No guarante Bs will find someone equal or better than the 74...

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

I never took economics but this thread taught me about market value.

 

[PB37]

If Edmonton wins, I can see that being the final reason for Jake leaving to go there

January: " I want to win a Cup here in Boston "

May: “ That’s the biggest thing. I think that’s all I want to do now is to win a Stanley Cup. So that’s number one priority. Just going to go and it’s probably what I’ll look for.”

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Good offensive player, really good defensive player, speedy guy, Debrusk not signed yet that means for me that s gone and now Sweeny will need to replaced him...buy who? No guarante Bs will find someone equal or better than the 74...

So, you see Jake more as a defensive forward?

 

[Kegs]

So, you see Jake more as a defensive forward?

I think Jake is a 200 foot forward.

 

[mjhfb]

I think Jake is a 200 foot forward.

NHL.com has him listed a bit shorter at 6'1".

 

[BruinsJoe]

So, you see Jake more as a defensive forward?

Not all i see him as a complet player 200 foot player and he s fast...Neely want to be faster so why dont Debrusk is not a Bs now...what s the plan to replace him if he goes, any other realistic ufa available this summer as good as the 74 ...at 27?