Speculation: Jack Eichel thread

[itwasaforwardpass]

More of what's going Buffalo's way, retained contracts, etc. All that stuff.

I don't have all the info, I just know it's pretty much guaranteed at this point.

Are you sure Vegas has conceded on Krebs being in the deal?

 

[Fjordy]

Are you sure Vegas has conceded on Krebs being in the deal?

Maybe Adams agreed to Brisson.

 

[jc17]

Are you sure Vegas has conceded on Krebs being in the deal?

The only thing this poster is claiming to know is eichel to vgk. They listed a return they personally would guess

 

[Vegan Knight]

I don't mean to say anything on what anyone has heard but I have a hard time seeing Vegas be a fit unless they could Kucherov Eichel until the playoffs.

Our forwards would be rough looking until December when Pacioretty should be back, although Stone may be back a week or two before.

Janmark-Stephenson-Roy
Marchessault-Karlsson-???
Dugan-Patrick-Kolesar
Carrier-Howden-Leschyshyn

If they trade Smith and Dadonov to make the money work, while including Krebs, all for Eichel, who can't even play for at least four months, our forward group would be makeshift to say the least.

We would also need to trade Janmark when Tuch is healthy to stay under. I mean, if you add Eichel, Stone, Pacioretty and Tuch to that forward group up top minus Janmark it looks great but we'd have to wait until after the Olympic break to see it. I don't know if teams are willing to roll the dice for like 55 games of the season like that.

 

[Djp]

I found out through a direct hockey connection that he's going to Vegas.

I don't know for what, but I imagine two firsts, a second, Peyton Krebs, Reilly Smith and Jack Dugan.

But they'd also need to trade Dadonov.

that’s not going to work for Buffalo and the cap floor.

Buffalo needs to get back around $8M on roster to make the floor.

future picks are likely worse from vegas than other teams. Better players need to come back in a trade

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

that’s not going to work for Buffalo and the cap floor.

Buffalo needs to get back around $8M on roster to make the floor.

future picks are likely worse from vegas than other teams. Better players need to come back in a trade

This. Tuch+Krebs+Smith+ makes the most sense from a value and salary perspective.

 

[IDuck]

I have not seen anything about this rumor, and your comment about being completely paralyzed is just straight out false in relation to extra risk of getting ADR.

I'm getting the exact surgery this winter, I'm not a pro athlete, I'm a brick layer. I had the choice between a fusion or ADR and it was an easy decision to pick ADR. The percentage of 100% recovery is extremely high, while it's a guarantee a fusion will affect my mobility for life.

can only speak to the surgery as well, as someone who had a fusion (ADR wasnt around when I did), if i could have a choice on pre or post issues from fusion surgery i would have MUCH rather have not had it at all.....a ADR is a no brainer IMO but I am no pro athlete nor do I have the knowledge of the risk for a NHL player, although I dont see how its any more with a fusion.

 

[CupInSIX]

This. Tuch+Krebs+Smith+ makes the most sense from a value and salary perspective.

According to Seravalli, Stone might get shut down for the regular season. So that would cover the entirety of Eichel's remaining pro-rated 9.3m cap hit.

Though that seems unlikely at this point since he's eyeing Team Canada.

 

[Vegan Knight]

According to Seravalli, Stone might get shut down for the regular season. So that would cover the entirety of Eichel's remaining pro-rated 9.3m cap hit.

Though that seems unlikely at this point since he's eyeing Team Canada.

Buffalo needs to bring back like 8 million in any deal to stay above the cap though, I think.

 

[centipede2233]

can only speak to the surgery as well, as someone who had a fusion (ADR wasnt around when I did), if i could have a choice on pre or post issues from fusion surgery i would have MUCH rather have not had it at all.....a ADR is a no brainer IMO but I am no pro athlete nor do I have the knowledge of the risk for a NHL player, although I dont see how its any more with a fusion.

So I never had fusion surgery, so I know nothing on the subject. Curious what you didn’t like with the fusion surgery? Limited motion?

 

[CupInSIX]

Buffalo needs to bring back like 8 million in any deal to stay above the cap though, I think.

They can take cap dumps from any team though. Not that I'd mind Dadonov's 5m gone.

 

[duckpuck]

Again, ignoring the trash part of your post... The appearance of impropriety that you're pretending exists just isn't there. The spinal specialist for the team isn't actually employed by the team. He has no incentive to do anything other than his ordinary work as a doctor. Sorry your conspiracy theory doesn't have legs (but, you know, not actually).

Team physician is an independent medical advisor treating patients, not involved in other stuff or spin.

a team PT is more likely fully employed by the team and is more driven by team policy.

the Sabres doctor is a well respected doctor in the field of spinal injury and surgery. A doctor in LA seeing his medical documentation and documents written is highly likely going to side on his opinion on his findings and recommendation on not doing ADR on a pro athlete because of higher risk of reinjury or worse.

Doctors will not offer or recommend ADR to people who do jobs that produce high levels of stress on the neck and upper back. Thus is more than just pro sports but in heavy lift type of jobs or jobs where you can get hid in head and neck like construction ir fireman.

having ADR puts Eichel in a higher risk pool for re injury.

the Sabres doctor is a well respected doctor in the field and one of the founders of the ADR procedure.

buffalo has his contract insured. They are also a player in this and follow medical advice. They will say if Eichel has ADR we aren’t covering this contract and no other insurance company will. Thus the issue is on Eichel and the league in if you do ADR and you can’t play again or get reinjured you are on the hook and won’t get paid. Does he want to remove that safety net?

There was speculation reported that they called but wanted Eichel retrntion.

The team physician is selected by the team and paid by the team. If you're truly a lawyer, you know that presents an inherent conflict of interest - one that would not be permitted in most places (without an informed waiver) if we were talking about a lawyer rather than a doctor.

And to be blunt, the team doctor hired by the team has every incentive and motivation to make the company that hired him happy - particularly when the doctor has been (or is) the team doctor for an extended term (which is the case here). I believe the doctors in this case long time doctors for the team (and the bills too?). You don't think they have financial and other allegiances to the team?

 

[CycloneSweep]

I know Calgary wants him but so they even have any prospects in the system that Buffalo would want?

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

He'll be a Flame within the next 2 weeks. Vegas will interfere (as will the Sharks) to drive up the price, but eventually Calgary will have a nice little McDavid-Eichel rivalry.

I really hope you’re right

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

I know Calgary wants him but so they even have any prospects in the system that Buffalo would want?

Coronato is pretty dynamic, Zary is a big C, and Pelletier made a WJ team.

Honestly, they can have all of them, plus one of Dube or Mangiapane, plus this year’s 1st.

Is that enough to overcome the legend of Peyton Krebs?

I don’t see how it’s acceptable to hand Jack Eichel to your division rival (in a division that already has McDrai) because you weren’t willing to pay an extra future or two.

 

[JPeeper]

Not sure how anyone can take Seravelli seriously, he is saying Vegas because that will generate more views than if he said the Calgary Flames, even though the Flames have been linked for the past 6 months.

Flames have been in on Eichel for months now and not one reporter other than Friedman has ever reported that the Flames are on of the involved teams, simply because the Flames are a small AF market team who no one gives a shit about. Every time Jack Eichel rumours come up it is always the same teams involved, because they get the most views and people talking. When has Vegas ever not been in on a player?

Genuinely curious, has Seravelli ever been right?

 

[Zach716]

Not sure how anyone can take Seravelli seriously, he is saying Vegas because that will generate more views than if he said the Calgary Flames, even though the Flames have been linked for the past 6 months.

Flames have been in on Eichel for months now and not one reporter other than Friedman has ever reported that the Flames are on of the involved teams, simply because the Flames are a small AF market team who no one gives a shit about. Every time Jack Eichel rumours come up it is always the same teams involved, because they get the most views and people talking. When has Vegas ever not been in on a player?

Genuinely curious, has Seravelli ever been right?

He called every single draft pick for the Kraken before it was announced.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I know Calgary wants him but so they even have any prospects in the system that Buffalo would want?

5 top 50 prospects in the league, 2 1sts, 3 2nds, whatever Monahan can be flipped for, Valimaki, Dube. Yeah I would say they have the assets

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Umm, so is Jack the horse? Or is he Woltz or the little girl at Woltz’, Johnny Fontaine,or is he Fredo?

Nice to read that you know what this book is about. This is an infrequent occurrence. Respect to you.
Everyone can have their own associations.
I think Jack is “Johnny Fontaine, or is he Fredo”. Perhaps Jack himself does not know this now.

He is now Johnny Fontaine at the crossroads. Which path he will choose is unknown.
Maybe he'll win The Hart Memorial Trophy and the Stanley Cup.

Maybe he will become Fredo Corleone.
"Fredo has a good heart, but he is weak... and stupid, and this is life and death."
― Michael Corleone. ("The Godfather" by Mario Puzo).

I do not know. The choice is up to Jack.

I have an answer about the horse. I hope the moderators have a sense of humor. And they have a positive attitude towards black humor. In the next commentary, I will reveal the secret of the horse.

 

[Chainshot]

Umm, so is Jack the horse? Or is he Woltz or the little girl at Woltz’, Johnny Fontaine,or is he Fredo?

Jack is Fredo.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Jeez, I’m glad Buffalo didn’t trade for Gibson and Comtois like I predicted a thousand posts ago. They both look like garbage this season.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Coronato is pretty dynamic, Zary is a big C, and Pelletier made a WJ team.

Honestly, they can have all of them, plus one of Dube or Mangiapane, plus this year’s 1st.

Is that enough to overcome the legend of Peyton Krebs?

I don’t see how it’s acceptable to hand Jack Eichel to your division rival (in a division that already has McDrai) because you weren’t willing to pay an extra future or two.

I don’t think Calgary is offering most of those guys. it wouldn’t be hard to give all that up, it’s a lot.

 

[Qward]

Someone trade for him please.

 

[truthbluth]

that’s not going to work for Buffalo and the cap floor.

Buffalo needs to get back around $8M on roster to make the floor.

future picks are likely worse from vegas than other teams. Better players need to come back in a trade

Sabres need less than 6 to come back to stay above the floor.

 

[tsujimoto74]

The team physician is selected by the team and paid by the team. If you're truly a lawyer, you know that presents an inherent conflict of interest - one that would not be permitted in most places (without an informed waiver) if we were talking about a lawyer rather than a doctor.

And to be blunt, the team doctor hired by the team has every incentive and motivation to make the company that hired him happy - particularly when the doctor has been (or is) the team doctor for an extended term (which is the case here). I believe the doctors in this case long time doctors for the team (and the bills too?). You don't think they have financial and other allegiances to the team?

Let's briefly humor your conspiracy theory and just assume that the Sabres medical staff aren't exercising medical judgment but just blocking Jack from getting ADR because they're biased. If ADR is assuredly safe/the best course of treatment, what on earth is the Sabres' motivation for creating an issue like this between the franchise and its franchise superstar center? Why would the Sabres want to alienate the best player they've had since Hasek? Do you see how completely insane that sounds???