Player Discussion Jack Campbell

[McCombo]

Goals saved above expected (Evolving hockey)

Campbell -14.34
Skinner +11.43

Goals saved above average (NTS)

Campbell -12.36
Skinner +11.22

The net should be Skinner's. Using record as a evaluation is stupid. Goalies can't score, they can just prevent goals against and Skinner has been superior this year. Campbell has been one of the worst goalies in the league this year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

So what. 35 is not that old for a goalie and we're not asking him to be the starter.

My plan is to get the f***ing NORRIS TROPHY WINNER for a goalie that has shit numbers, worse than Reimer.

You think Campbell is going to do anything against Colorado in a playoff series? Get your eyes checked. They are going to bend him over with zero vaseline and make him go home crying to his cat.

They didn't even have Makar in yesterday and they still cratered this guy for 6 goals.

If you're being paid 5 million to play here you have to be at least as good as Mike Smith was last year, Campbell can't even manage that. Sorry but not good enough. Use that money elsewhere.

Like lol, you want to keep a turd in net and say no to one of the 5-6 best players on the planet? Seriously this f***ing board sometimes ...

Campbell has identical numbers to Reimer this season and better career numbers. Reimer is so bad he gave up 36Ga in last 9GP and is so bad he hasn't even played in a month. Thats a 4.0 GAA in those games. Campbell in his last dozen starts has given up 35GA for an under 3 GAA. Thats even considering the 6 goals yesterday. In 5/12 of the games Campbell gave up 2 or less goals in those stats. Campbell is improving, Reimer is old and getting worse.

I don't want Reimer or Karlsson. No thanks.

 

[Soundwave]

Campbell has identical numbers to Reimer this season and better career numbers. Reimer is so bad he gave up 36Ga in last 9GP and is so bad he hasn't even played in a month. Thats a 4.0 GAA in those games. Campbell in his last dozen starts has given up 35GA for an under 3 GAA. Thats even considering the 6 goals yesterday. In 5/12 of the games Campbell gave up 2 or less goals in those stats. Campbell is improving, Reimer is old and getting worse.

I don't want Reimer or Karlsson. No thanks.

OK, lets pass on the most dynamic defenceman on the Earth having a historic season that's going to win the Norris Trophy because the BACK UP GOALIE situation isn't sexy enough.

Like what planet is this team on?

Campbell has done nothing in his NHL career that Reimer hasn't. He has maybe an agregate 80 games total that are good in Toronto? This guy has not proven himself to be a long term starter anywhere. The Oilers were stupid to sign this contract, they would be lucky at this point if any team would take the contract off their hands, it just so happens the Karlsson situation is an aligning of the stars where the Oilers might be able to do it and get a massive upgrade player wise.

Colorado will eat Campbell alive either way, he's too soft to play those guys. They bent him over for 6 goals even without Makar, you think he's going to do anything when they do have Makar in?

Campbell is mentally soft and has no swagger, no balls, and gets himself into awkward positions on the ice all the time. Plays small. If that's what he's bringing to the table you can pay someone half his cost for that easy. There's plenty of NHL goalies that can win if they get the run support of 4-5 goals.

 

[Stoneman89]

OK, lets pass on the most dynamic defenceman on the Earth having a historic season that's going to win the Norris Trophy because the BACK UP GOALIE situation isn't sexy enough.

Like what planet is this team on?

Campbell has done nothing in his NHL career that Reimer hasn't. He has maybe an agregate 80 games total that are good in Toronto? This guy has not proven himself to be a long term starter anywhere. The Oilers were stupid to sign this contract, they would be lucky at this point if any team would take the contract off their hands, it just so happens the Karlsson situation is an aligning of the stars where the Oilers might be able to do it and get a massive upgrade player wise.

Colorado will eat Campbell alive either way, he's too soft to play those guys. They bent him over for 6 goals even without Makar, you think he's going to do anything when they do have Makar in?

Campbell is mentally soft and has no swagger, no balls, and gets himself into awkward positions on the ice all the time. Plays small. If that's what he's bringing to the table you can pay someone half his cost for that easy. There's plenty of NHL goalies that can win if they get the run support of 4-5 goals.

Who says we have to include Reimer in any deal for Karlsson and he's the key to getting something done? You're the only one on here that has the hots for Reimer.

 

[brentashton]

I saw the OT. Campbell made a few good saves... And then got his jock strap lifted to the rafters on the GWG.

Of course, the game was over when it got to OT in the first place. Everyone knew we weren't going to win.


Nurse failed to tie up the stick of the goal scorer on the game TYING goal. AKA the goal that sent the game to overtime in the first place. He got outworked, the Avs tied the game and from that point on loss was inevitable. If his wallet is weighing him down we can put him on LTIR for the remainder of his contract. While I put little stock into what goes in on OT/SO, I don't think Nurse should see the ice in overtime at all.

Oh and there's that fourth goal where the goalie failed to cover the puck. And the third that was an uncontested shot that he was extremely slow on...

The Oilers gave Campbell more than enough run support to win the game. He let them down. No hockey team is ever perfect, and the Avs gave up 5 to the team they dummied in the WCF. This was a statement game, a game that said "Wait until next year."

Good saves. Ok.

 

[Soundwave]

Who says we have to include Reimer in any deal for Karlsson and he's the key to getting something done? You're the only one on here that has the hots for Reimer.

I've crunched the numbers several times, without Campbell's 5 year salary going out, managing the incoming Karlsson hit would be very difficult for the Oilers even if San Jose retains 3 million+.

Campbell and Karlsson's contracts being the same exact length helps make a trade for Karlsson much more managable. It immediately basically chops 5 million/year off Karlsson's cap hit for every year of the deal not just 1 year and then "well you're screwed I guess".

If you can talk San Jose into saying this is the only way we can do this deal long term ... do it and RUN. Run like the f***ing wind.

Campbell is a sub-Talbot tier goalie who's just as mentally fragile maybe worse. How are you going to build a winner here with this guy making no.1 goalie money?

Look we took a swing here and it looks like we made a massive mistake. Surprise surprise Dustin Schwartz sucks at pro scouting in choosing Campbell over Kuemper. If we can get out this mess of it sooner than later it's nothing but good.

 

[Drivesaitl]

OK, lets pass on the most dynamic defenceman on the Earth having a historic season that's going to win the Norris Trophy because the BACK UP GOALIE situation isn't sexy enough.

Like what planet is this team on?

Campbell has done nothing in his NHL career that Reimer hasn't. He has maybe an agregate 80 games total that are good in Toronto? This guy has not proven himself to be a long term starter anywhere. The Oilers were stupid to sign this contract, they would be lucky at this point if any team would take the contract off their hands, it just so happens the Karlsson situation is an aligning of the stars where the Oilers might be able to do it and get a massive upgrade player wise.

Colorado will eat Campbell alive either way, he's too soft to play those guys. They bent him over for 6 goals even without Makar, you think he's going to do anything when they do have Makar in?

Campbell is mentally soft and has no swagger, no balls, and gets himself into awkward positions on the ice all the time. Plays small. If that's what he's bringing to the table you can pay someone half his cost for that easy. There's plenty of NHL goalies that can win if they get the run support of 4-5 goals.

Disclosure please that You're Karlssons agent. Wouldn't want that primadonna anwyhere near the club. Karlsson cares about himself within a team sport. King Karlsson is an up and down player and has been in SJ. He's had 5 seasons there and this is the only one where he's earned contract. until this season this was a disaster Contract for the Sharks.

Disgusting as well that an Oilers fan is calling this a "historic season" for Karlsson Paul Coffey anyone? Chris Pronger anyone. Pronger had more impact on games than anybody.

 

[syz]

Disclosure please that You're Karlssons agent. Wouldn't want that primadonna anwyhere near the club. Karlsson cares about himself within a team sport. King Karlsson is an up and down player and has been in SJ. He's had 5 seasons there and this is the only one where he's earned contract. until this season this was a disaster Contract for the Sharks.

Disgusting as well that an Oilers fan is calling this a "historic season" for Karlsson Paul Coffey anyone? Chris Pronger anyone. Pronger had more impact on games than anybody.

Lest we forget that an Oilers defense core with Chris Pronger on it wasn't even going to make the playoffs until they found an actual goalie at the deadline that let them sneak in as an 8th seed.

 

[Soundwave]

Disclosure please that You're Karlssons agent. Wouldn't want that primadonna anwyhere near the club. Karlsson cares about himself within a team sport. King Karlsson is an up and down player and has been in SJ. He's had 5 seasons there and this is the only one where he's earned contract.

Disgusting as well that an Oilers fan is calling this a "historic season" for Karlsson Paul Coffey anyone? Chris Pronger anyone. Pronger had more impact on games than anybody.

lol, c'mon you know this is full of shit and you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You betray your point by basically conceding you need to bring up all-time greats like Coffey and Pronger to compare Karlsson to because the fact is he's *that* good. He is the modern day Paul Coffey.

Paul Coffey was great but he also played in an era of 5'7 midget goalies like Mike Vernon who could beat unscreened from the point or sometimes even outside of the point (hello Esa Tikkanen) and in an era where there was more defence played in a pond hockey game. No defensive structure whatsoever in those games.

Paul Coffey would not be able to put up those numbers on this San Jose team in this era, no way. No Gretzky, Lemieux type player either, Timo Meier is the best offensive forward on the Sharks lol.

Chris Pronger fine ... OK, so lets not make a move until the next Chris Pronger shows up. That should be any decade now. This is like a dude who hasn't a date in 10 years complaining that his friends have set him up with a woman who's only drop dead gorgeous with a good career and nice personality because "well I'm waiting for a Victoria Secret model". That dude needs to be slapped upside his head.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lest we forget that an Oilers defense core with Chris Pronger on it wasn't even going to make the playoffs until they found an actual goalie at the deadline that let them sneak in as an 8th seed.

Are we comparing Conkanen to Skinner/Campbell? Conklin wasn't even a good AHL caliber goalie. The goaltending we have currently are average. They're not bad and even the presense of a box out no nonsense defender like Desharnais made impact and the goalie numbers changed immensely. Conklin should never have been in the NHL. he would be in a list of the worst goalies ever seen here. Unfortunate that the list is long.

 

[syz]

Are we comparing Conkanen to Skinner/Campbell? Conklin wasn't even a good AHL caliber goalie. The goaltending we have currently are average. They're not bad and even the presense of a box out no nonsense defender like Desharnais made impact and the goalie numbers changed immensely. Conklin should never have been in the NHL. he would be in a list of the worst goalies ever seen here. Unfortunate that the list is long.

Nothing about Campbell has been average this season. Much like Conkanen he's having the biggest impact in most of the games that he plays.

 

[Drivesaitl]

lol, c'mon you know this is full of shit and you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You betray your point by basically conceding you need to bring up all-time greats like Coffey and Pronger to compare Karlsson to because the fact is he's *that* good. He is the modern day Paul Coffey.

Paul Coffey was great but he also played in an era of 5'7 midget goalies like Mike Vernon who could beat unscreened from the point or sometimes even outside of the point (hello Esa Tikkanen) and in an era where there was more defence played in a pond hockey game. No defensive structure whatsoever in those games.

Paul Coffey would not be able to put up those numbers on this San Jose team in this era, no way. No Gretzky, Lemieux type player either, Timo Meier is the best offensive forward on the Sharks lol.

Chris Pronger fine ... OK, so lets not make a move until the next Chris Pronger shows up. That should be any decade now. This is like a dude who hasn't a date in 10 years complaining that his friends have set him up with a woman who's only drop dead gorgeous with a good career and nice personality because "well I'm waiting for a Victoria Secret model". That dude needs to be slapped upside his head.

My opinion of Karlsson is he's a room cancer. maybe ask Ottawa or Hoffman about that. Wonder what Kane would say in confidence.

lol to the bolded. You're wrong. You never even saw Coffey. Start a thread and see how many people here agree with you. you wonder why you get such pushback.

Coffey offensively was second only to Bobby Orr and he had filthy skill and speed.

Present day several NHL D are better than Karlsson. Just short list Hedman, Heiskanen, Makar, even old Doughty has more impact on games and the team winning. I'd even rather have Barrie who is a consummate team guy that you don't have to worry about infecting the room with his brand of crap.

 

[Soundwave]

My opinion of Karlsson is he's a room cancer. maybe ask Ottawa or Hoffman about that. Wonder what Kane would say in confidence.

lol to the bolded. You're wrong. You never even saw Coffey. Start a thread and see how many people here agree with you. you wonder why you get such pushback.

Coffey offensively was second only to Bobby Orr and he had filthy skill and speed.

If you have the only comparable that you can make for Karlsson is Paul Coffey then I mean you're kinda blown any point against Karlsson you're trying to make anyway. Karlsson would score 100+ points a season on those 80s Oilers teams lets be real, 80s defensive hockey is non-existent, I don't even think coaches understood the basic concept of defensive strategy, it was just pure pond hockey. Fun to watch but c'mon now, the game is far, far different today. The players who are putting up big numbers today would murder those 80s defences and goalies.

Locker room issues are bullshit, they're so overblown as being a big issue. Everyone and their grandma was saying the same for Evander Kane a year ago this time. Remember when Phil Kessel was a cancer in the lockerroom too ... yeah well he took Pittsburgh to two Cups, I'll take that any day. Karlsson is not like some Dennis Rodman like engima and even Dennis Rodman won the Bulls three championships for taking a chance on him and that dude is legit crazy.

 

[GMofOilers]

Campbell isnt going anywhere this year or next. Sorry gents.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If you have the only comparable that you can make for Karlsson is Paul Coffey then I mean you're kinda blown any point against Karlsson you're trying to make anyway. Karlsson would score 100+ points a season on those 80s Oilers teams lets be real, 80s defensive hockey is non-existent, I don't even think coaches understood the basic concept of defensive strategy, it was just pure pond hockey. Fun to watch but c'mon now, the game is far, far different today. The players who are putting up big numbers today would murder those 80s defences and goalies.

Locker room issues are bullshit, they're so overblown as being a big issue. Everyone and their grandma was saying the same for Evander Kane a year ago this time. Remember when Phil Kessel was a cancer in the lockerroom too ... yeah well he took Pittsburgh to two Cups, I'll take that any day. Karlsson is not like some Dennis Rodman like engima and even Dennis Rodman won the Bulls three championships for taking a chance on him and that dude is legit crazy.

No, I was defending kane all the way and pointing out that Cancer Karlsson was a *leader* in the room that rolled on Kane. Like he did on Hoffman. Till this year theres no team that would even think of touching King Karlssons contract. The guy is talented. But complete seasons where he isn't all that good either. What happened to Karlsson the two seasons before this? The guy you said would put up 100pts every year only had 22. hmmm.

 

[Soundwave]

No, I was defending kane all the way and pointing out that Cancer Karlsson was a *leader* in the room that rolled on Kane. Like he did on Hoffman. Till this year theres no team that would even think of touching King Karlssons contract. The guy is talented. But complete seasons where he isn't all that good either. What happened to Karlsson the two seasons before this? The guy you said would put up 100pts every year only had 22. hmmm.

There were plenty of other reports of Kane doing dumb shit like wanting to wrestle the Sharks assistant coach (lol). And faking a COVID vaccination card is also very stupid.

Who cares. Is this daycare, or is this pro sports? Are these junior high girls or grown men? Who gives a f*** if these guys are having dinner with each other and going to band camp in the summer.

This is about WINNING. Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen hated Rodman and Rodman was a loose canon to the point that it would make hockey players blush (dude just flat out leaves the team every year at some point to go on a bender in Vegas, appears unannounced on WWF wrestling on a game day, lol etc. etc. etc.). But they also knew the obvious ... with Rodman they were back in business as a championship threat.

Great players know that having other great players increases their odds of doing (well) great things. Evander Kane will be fine with Karlsson here so will Connor and Leon (more than fine). If anything I can totally see Leon and Karlsson in particular becoming good friends. They got the same kind of swagger/style/confidence.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Who cares. Is this daycare, or is this pro sports? Are these junior high girls or grown men? Who gives a f*** if these guys are having dinner with each other and going to band camp in the summer.
This is about WINNING. Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen hated Rodman ad Rodman was a loose canon to the point that it would make hockey players blush (dude just flat out leaves the team every year at some point to go on a bender in Vegas, appears unannounced on WWF wrestling on a game day, lol etc. etc. etc.).

Great players know that having other great players increases their odds of doing (well) great things. Evander Kane will be fine with Karlsson here so will Connor and Leon (more than fine). If anything I can totally see Leon and Karlsson in particular becoming good friends. They got the same kind of swagger/style/confidence.

Even if I liked Karlsson, and I sure don't the cost is too huge and the talk seems unrealistic. Look what we're reportedly giving up:

Major development: Oilers' monster trade offer for Erik Karlsson revealed

Bob Stauffer has just revealed the Oilers' offer to acquire Erik Karlsson

www.habsfanatics.com

For a 32yr old D. Its too much.

lol at the article "bonded so well with McDrai. jebus it was an allstar game. i didn't even watch but its not even a real game, and its one off. We don't know anything about how King K would bond on the ice or in the room. We do know that SJ wants a shitload for him and WANTS to move him. hmmm.

The bolded makes me barf.

This isn't basketball. Mostly personalities are different in hockey and I'm thankful of that.

 

[Harry Curry]

My opinion of Karlsson is he's a room cancer. maybe ask Ottawa or Hoffman about that. Wonder what Kane would say in confidence.

Holland spoke to Kane and said there wasn't an issue.

I really thought the Oilers were past any concerns about Karlsson being a potential locker room problem.

It makes zero sense for Holland to lie about his discussion with Kane on the idea of bringing Karlsson in.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Holland spoke to Kane and said there wasn't an issue.

I really thought the Oilers were past any concerns about Karlsson being a potential locker room problem.

It makes zero sense for Holland to lie about his discussion with Kane on the idea of bringing Karlsson in.

Never heard of this actually occurring. People speculated whether it would. When did a discussion take place? Missed that in anycase. We did have convos here that Kane would probably not say anything bad because he's not really like that.

A move for Karlsson would be very dangerous imo. Not just to team but it would be an all in this year move that I dont think would change a lot and would greatly sacrifice futures.

I would sacrifice for a prime Defensive D. But Karlsson ain't that and he fills what we really don't require. We already have a lot of offense from D. Thats not the element we're lacking.

 

[Soundwave]

Even if I liked Karlsson, and I sure don't the cost is too huge and the talk seems unrealistic. Look what we're reportedly giving up:

Major development: Oilers' monster trade offer for Erik Karlsson revealed

Bob Stauffer has just revealed the Oilers' offer to acquire Erik Karlsson

www.habsfanatics.com

For a 32yr old D. Its too much.

lol at the article "bonded so well with McDrai. jebus it was an allstar game. i didn't even watch but its not even a real game, and its one off. We don't know anything about how King K would bond on the ice or in the room. We do know that SJ wants a shitload for him and WANTS to move him. hmmm.

The bolded makes me barf.

The Oilers are going to eventually probably have to give up a 1st in the coming years just to get out of this disaster Campbell contract for starters.

So if you're giving up that anyway, why not up the ante and actually get a player that's a difference.

This team as presently constructed is not gonna beat a Colorado or Dallas or probably not even a Winnipeg and Jack Campbell ain't doing shit the tips the scales in any of those series'. If his GAA is below 4, you almost count that as a win against any of those teams.

At least with Karlsson, bets kinda come off the table. That's a lot of f***ing fire power and dynamic player coming in waves at another team, that could eventually cause an opponent to simply just crack and break (similar to how Calgary unravelled against a unrelenting attack from McDavid/Drai/Hyman/Kane and just couldn't handle it even though the Oilers had plenty of roster holes elsewhere).

Jack Campbell can't compete with teams the Avs. He's not built for that. Too nice, too soft, never been a starter in this league full time for good reason it looks like. Bad positioning fundamentals too, good like getting Schwartz to fix that. He's not even a Mike Smith and Mike Smith was already not good enough.

So what then? Just keep this guy for 5 years and take up 5 million in cap room or transfer that into a bigger deal for someone who is game breaking talent and take your chances that way. I know which one I would pick.

 

[Stoneman89]

Even if I liked Karlsson, and I sure don't the cost is too huge and the talk seems unrealistic. Look what we're reportedly giving up:

Major development: Oilers' monster trade offer for Erik Karlsson revealed

Bob Stauffer has just revealed the Oilers' offer to acquire Erik Karlsson

www.habsfanatics.com

For a 32yr old D. Its too much.

lol at the article "bonded so well with McDrai. jebus it was an allstar game. i didn't even watch but its not even a real game, and its one off. We don't know anything about how King K would bond on the ice or in the room. We do know that SJ wants a shitload for him and WANTS to move him. hmmm.

The bolded makes me barf.

This isn't basketball. Mostly personalities are different in hockey and I'm thankful of that.

Who is "Marco" and how connected is he to the hockey world? And I would think if Stauffer said this, it would be reported mainstream rather than some no name.

 

[Harry Curry]

Never heard of this actually occurring. People speculated whether it would. When did a discussion take place? Missed that in anycase. We did have convos here that Kane would probably not say anything bad because he's not really like that.

I'm pretty sure I heard it on Stauffer's show week before last. fwiw I listen to/read and watch far too much Oilers stuff to remember where i heard stuff more than a couple days old.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Even if I liked Karlsson, and I sure don't the cost is too huge and the talk seems unrealistic. Look what we're reportedly giving up:

Major development: Oilers' monster trade offer for Erik Karlsson revealed

Bob Stauffer has just revealed the Oilers' offer to acquire Erik Karlsson

www.habsfanatics.com

For a 32yr old D. Its too much.

lol at the article "bonded so well with McDrai. jebus it was an allstar game. i didn't even watch but its not even a real game, and its one off. We don't know anything about how King K would bond on the ice or in the room. We do know that SJ wants a shitload for him and WANTS to move him. hmmm.

The bolded makes me barf.

This isn't basketball. Mostly personalities are different in hockey and I'm thankful of that.

Wait San Jose said NO to that? I find that hard to believe. San Jose should take that package and run.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Who is "Marco" and how connected is he to the hockey world? And I would think if Stauffer said this, it would be reported mainstream rather than some no name.

Lowetide I think was reporting similarly but its behind an Athletic pay wall so I couldn't read all of it. I've seen other mentions of the same sort of deal. Generally I don't follow such speculation but this one is toxic enough that I am kind of following it. Really i'd detest the Oilers giving up a ransom for King Karlsson. I worry they might be so inclined.

Several sources are mentioning the Stauffer deal. Not seeing anything direct though but I don't follow him. Nor do I know if Stauffer is just spitballing on this. I sure hope its not in the cards.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Good saves. Ok.

The crazy thing about the OT saves is that they don't need to occur if he makes the saves he needs to in regulation. Handing in your homework late is still late even if it's all good.