Player Discussion Jack Campbell

McTonyBrar · Feb 25, 2023

f*** this fragile f***. He can get shot into the sun

Spawn · Feb 25, 2023

It's time to do the same that the LA Kings did with Cal Peterson and waive Jack Campbell. You can't play a goalie who gives up 4+ a game more often than he gives up 3 or fewer.

No hyperbole or sarcasm.

Call up Calvin Pickard and see if he can at least put up a ~.900 sv% like the Kings did with Phoenix Copley.

Buy Campbell out in the summer.

nexttothemoon · Feb 25, 2023

Stats from the last 3 seasons combined (Top 64 goalies in time on ice over those 3 seasons)...

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Goalie

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Team

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GP

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GAA

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xG Against/60

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Actual goals against per game compared to expected goals against

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Ilya Sorokin

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NYI

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119

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[TD]

2.36

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[TD]

2.85

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-0.49

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[TD]

Igor Shesterkin

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NYR

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129

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[TD]

2.38

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2.79

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-0.41

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[TD]

Connor Hellebuyck

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WPG

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156

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[TD]

2.71

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3

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[TD]

-0.29

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Juuse Saros

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[TD]

NSH

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[TD]

146

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[TD]

2.57

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[TD]

2.85

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[TD]

-0.28

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Linus Ullmark

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[TD]

BOS, BUF

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[TD]

97

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[TD]

2.27

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[TD]

2.5

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[TD]

-0.23

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Andrei Vasilevskiy

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[TD]

T.B

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[TD]

148

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[TD]

2.44

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2.65

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[TD]

-0.21

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Darcy Kuemper

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[TD]

ARI, COL, WSH

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[TD]

123

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[TD]

2.59

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[TD]

2.77

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[TD]

-0.18

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Semyon Varlamov

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[TD]

NYI

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[TD]

86

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[TD]

2.52

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[TD]

2.7

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[TD]

-0.18

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Frederik Andersen

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[TD]

CAR, TOR

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[TD]

95

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[TD]

2.42

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[TD]

2.58

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[TD]

-0.16

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Mike Smith

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[TD]

EDM

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[TD]

60

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[TD]

2.54

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[TD]

2.7

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[TD]

-0.16

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Filip Gustavsson

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[TD]

MIN, OTT

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[TD]

54

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[TD]

2.61

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[TD]

2.77

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[TD]

-0.16

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jake Oettinger

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[TD]

DAL

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[TD]

120

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[TD]

2.38

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[TD]

2.53

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[TD]

-0.15

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Stuart Skinner

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[TD]

EDM

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[TD]

47

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[TD]

2.87

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[TD]

3.02

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[TD]

-0.15

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Anthony Stolarz

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[TD]

ANA

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[TD]

55

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[TD]

2.9

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[TD]

3.04

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[TD]

-0.14

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Anton Forsberg

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[TD]

OTT

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[TD]

82

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[TD]

3.01

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[TD]

3.11

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[TD]

-0.1

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jeremy Swayman

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[TD]

BOS

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[TD]

75

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[TD]

2.26

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[TD]

2.36

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[TD]

-0.1

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Ville Husso

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[TD]

DET, STL

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[TD]

99

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2.79

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2.86

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[TD]

-0.07

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Robin Lehner

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[TD]

VGK

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[TD]

63

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[TD]

2.66

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[TD]

2.73

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[TD]

-0.07

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[TD]

Antti Raanta

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[TD]

ARI, CAR

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61

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[TD]

2.59

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[TD]

2.65

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[TD]

-0.06

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[TD]

Marc-Andre Fleury

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[TD]

CHI, MIN, VGK

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[TD]

127

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[TD]

2.64

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[TD]

2.65

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[TD]

-0.01

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[TR]
[TD]

Alexandar Georgiev

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[TD]

COL, NYR

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92

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[TD]

2.77

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[TD]

2.77

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0

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[TR]
[TD]

Thatcher Demko

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[TD]

VAN

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[TD]

114

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[TD]

2.92

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[TD]

2.91

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[TD]

0.01

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[TR]
[TD]

Sergei Bobrovsky

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[TD]

FLA

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[TD]

123

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[TD]

2.87

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[TD]

2.86

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[TD]

0.01

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Logan Thompson

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[TD]

VGK

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56

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[TD]

2.66

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[TD]

2.65

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[TD]

0.01

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[/TR]
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[TD]

Tristan Jarry

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[TD]

PIT

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126

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[TD]

2.61

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[TD]

2.59

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[TD]

0.02

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[/TR]
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[TD]

Vitek Vanecek

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[TD]

N.J, WSH

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[TD]

117

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[TD]

2.58

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[TD]

2.55

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[TD]

0.03

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[/TR]
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[TD]

Casey DeSmith

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[TD]

PIT

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[TD]

74

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[TD]

2.91

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[TD]

2.88

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[TD]

0.03

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Scott Wedgewood

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[TD]

ARI, DAL, N.J

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[TD]

71

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[TD]

3.07

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[TD]

3.01

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[TD]

0.06

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Craig Anderson

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[TD]

BUF, WSH

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[TD]

55

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[TD]

2.91

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[TD]

2.85

[/TD]

[TD]

0.06

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Chris Driedger

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[TD]

FLA, SEA

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[TD]

50

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[TD]

2.54

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[TD]

2.48

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[TD]

0.06

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jacob Markstrom

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[TD]

CGY

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[TD]

144

[/TD]

[TD]

2.55

[/TD]

[TD]

2.48

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[TD]

0.07

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

John Gibson

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[TD]

ANA

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[TD]

131

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[TD]

3.38

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[TD]

3.24

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[TD]

0.14

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jordan Binnington

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[TD]

STL

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[TD]

124

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[TD]

3.02

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[TD]

2.88

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[TD]

0.14

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jonathan Quick

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[TD]

L.A

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[TD]

98

[/TD]

[TD]

2.9

[/TD]

[TD]

2.76

[/TD]

[TD]

0.14

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Ilya Samsonov

[/TD]

[TD]

TOR, WSH

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[TD]

93

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[TD]

2.73

[/TD]

[TD]

2.59

[/TD]

[TD]

0.14

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Sam Montembeault

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[TD]

MTL

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[TD]

63

[/TD]

[TD]

3.54

[/TD]

[TD]

3.4

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[TD]

0.14

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jaroslav Halak

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[TD]

BOS, NYR, VAN

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[TD]

53

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[TD]

2.71

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[TD]

2.56

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[TD]

0.15

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

James Reimer

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[TD]

CAR, S.J

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[TD]

100

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[TD]

2.97

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[TD]

2.82

[/TD]

[TD]

0.15

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jake Allen

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[TD]

MTL

[/TD]

[TD]

97

[/TD]

[TD]

3.15

[/TD]

[TD]

2.99

[/TD]

[TD]

0.16

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Adin Hill

[/TD]

[TD]

ARI, S.J, VGK

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[TD]

67

[/TD]

[TD]

2.64

[/TD]

[TD]

2.48

[/TD]

[TD]

0.16

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Karel Vejmelka

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[TD]

ARI

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[TD]

92

[/TD]

[TD]

3.54

[/TD]

[TD]

3.35

[/TD]

[TD]

0.19

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Alex Nedeljkovic

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[TD]

CAR, DET

[/TD]

[TD]

91

[/TD]

[TD]

3

[/TD]

[TD]

2.8

[/TD]

[TD]

0.2

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Matt Murray

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[TD]

OTT, TOR

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[TD]

66

[/TD]

[TD]

3.08

[/TD]

[TD]

2.88

[/TD]

[TD]

0.2

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Cam Talbot

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[TD]

MIN, OTT

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[TD]

111

[/TD]

[TD]

2.75

[/TD]

[TD]

2.54

[/TD]

[TD]

0.21

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Spencer Knight

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[TD]

FLA

[/TD]

[TD]

57

[/TD]

[TD]

2.91

[/TD]

[TD]

2.69

[/TD]

[TD]

0.22

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jack Campbell

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[TD]

EDM, TOR

[/TD]

[TD]

102

[/TD]

[TD]

2.78

[/TD]

[TD]

2.53

[/TD]

[TD]

0.25

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Philipp Grubauer

[/TD]

[TD]

COL, SEA

[/TD]

[TD]

118

[/TD]

[TD]

2.7

[/TD]

[TD]

2.43

[/TD]

[TD]

0.27

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Cal Petersen

[/TD]

[TD]

L.A

[/TD]

[TD]

82

[/TD]

[TD]

2.99

[/TD]

[TD]

2.7

[/TD]

[TD]

0.29

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Dan Vladar

[/TD]

[TD]

BOS, CGY

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[TD]

51

[/TD]

[TD]

2.89

[/TD]

[TD]

2.6

[/TD]

[TD]

0.29

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Carter Hart

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[TD]

PHI

[/TD]

[TD]

116

[/TD]

[TD]

3.19

[/TD]

[TD]

2.88

[/TD]

[TD]

0.31

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Mikko Koskinen

[/TD]

[TD]

EDM

[/TD]

[TD]

71

[/TD]

[TD]

3.13

[/TD]

[TD]

2.81

[/TD]

[TD]

0.32

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Brian Elliott

[/TD]

[TD]

PHI, T.B

[/TD]

[TD]

63

[/TD]

[TD]

2.83

[/TD]

[TD]

2.48

[/TD]

[TD]

0.35

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Braden Holtby

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[TD]

DAL, VAN

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[TD]

45

[/TD]

[TD]

3.21

[/TD]

[TD]

2.85

[/TD]

[TD]

0.36

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Martin Jones

[/TD]

[TD]

PHI, S.J, SEA

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[TD]

107

[/TD]

[TD]

3.21

[/TD]

[TD]

2.84

[/TD]

[TD]

0.37

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Kevin Lankinen

[/TD]

[TD]

CHI, NSH

[/TD]

[TD]

82

[/TD]

[TD]

3.15

[/TD]

[TD]

2.78

[/TD]

[TD]

0.37

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

David Rittich

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[TD]

CGY, NSH, TOR, WPG

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[TD]

52

[/TD]

[TD]

2.94

[/TD]

[TD]

2.57

[/TD]

[TD]

0.37

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Kaapo Kahkonen

[/TD]

[TD]

MIN, S.J

[/TD]

[TD]

85

[/TD]

[TD]

3.09

[/TD]

[TD]

2.71

[/TD]

[TD]

0.38

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Mackenzie Blackwood

[/TD]

[TD]

N.J

[/TD]

[TD]

77

[/TD]

[TD]

3.15

[/TD]

[TD]

2.77

[/TD]

[TD]

0.38

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Petr Mrazek

[/TD]

[TD]

CAR, CHI, TOR

[/TD]

[TD]

58

[/TD]

[TD]

3.31

[/TD]

[TD]

2.93

[/TD]

[TD]

0.38

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Joonas Korpisalo

[/TD]

[TD]

CBJ

[/TD]

[TD]

83

[/TD]

[TD]

3.45

[/TD]

[TD]

3.01

[/TD]

[TD]

0.44

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Thomas Greiss

[/TD]

[TD]

DET, STL

[/TD]

[TD]

81

[/TD]

[TD]

3.23

[/TD]

[TD]

2.78

[/TD]

[TD]

0.45

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Elvis Merzlikins

[/TD]

[TD]

CBJ

[/TD]

[TD]

111

[/TD]

[TD]

3.32

[/TD]

[TD]

2.86

[/TD]

[TD]

0.46

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Dustin Tokarski

[/TD]

[TD]

BUF, PIT

[/TD]

[TD]

46

[/TD]

[TD]

3.36

[/TD]

[TD]

2.89

[/TD]

[TD]

0.47

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Anton Khudobin

[/TD]

[TD]

DAL

[/TD]

[TD]

41

[/TD]

[TD]

2.76

[/TD]

[TD]

2.21

[/TD]

[TD]

0.55

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Oilers essentially replaced Mike Smith with Stuart Skinner who is about as good as Mike Smith and replaced Mikko Koskinen with Jack Campbell who is about as good as Mikko Koskinen.

If they had goaltending issues before... they essentially still have goaltending issues... if they choose to play Campbell as much as or more than Skinner.

Whiston532 · Feb 25, 2023

I’ve been away from here for a while. Is Campbell the king of “sure he let in 4+ but other than that he looked solid” here like he is on r/edmontonoilers ?

Harry Curry · Feb 25, 2023

Whiston532 said:
I’ve been away from here for a while. Is Campbell the king of “sure he let in 4+ but other than that he looked solid” here like he is on r/edmontonoilers ?

One of many reasons to avoid the cesspit that is reddit.

Oilhawks · Feb 25, 2023

Harry Curry said:
One of many reasons to avoid the cesspit that is reddit.

Reddit is toxic positive like this place is toxic negative. I’ve been called many names (no filter there either) and downvoted into oblivion for date criticizing the team.

SwedishFire · Feb 25, 2023

Spawn said:
It's time to do the same that the LA Kings did with Cal Peterson and waive Jack Campbell. You can't play a goalie who gives up 4+ a game more often than he gives up 3 or fewer.

No hyperbole or sarcasm.

Call up Calvin Pickard and see if he can at least put up a ~.900 sv% like the Kings did with Phoenix Copley.

Buy Campbell out in the summer.

His style looks so weird. Playing like a socver goalie. He looks soooo unsure of his own style and positioning. Yes, I think calling up Pickard coild be a thing to try. For also giving Campbell a heads up.

McJadeddog · Feb 25, 2023

He just can’t start any more games that aren’t back to back games, he just can’t. Pathetically bad, maybe the worst goalie we’ve had in the past 5-7 years

Trafalgar Sadge Law · Feb 25, 2023

Honestly the Jack Campbell debacle should be the line in the sand when it comes to jobs. People like Brad Holland who were allegedly anti-Campbell should be pushed into more influential positions, people like Ken Holland and Dustin Schwartz who were pro-Campbell should be on watch or even outright fired (seriously why is Schwartz still here? part of Campbell's suckage is probably linked to this dude).

Spawn · Feb 25, 2023

McJadeddog said:
He just can’t start any more games that aren’t back to back games, he just can’t. Pathetically bad, maybe the worst goalie we’ve had in the past 5-7 years

5-7 years? The Oilers haven’t had goaltending this bad since we were running Conklin and Markanen as a tandem.

Trafalgar Sadge Law said:
Honestly the Jack Campbell debacle should be the line in the sand when it comes to jobs. People like Brad Holland who were allegedly anti-Campbell should be pushed into more influential positions, people like Ken Holland and Dustin Schwartz who were pro-Campbell should be on watch or even outright fired (seriously why is Schwartz still here? part of Campbell's suckage is probably linked to this dude).

Brad Holland is a grifter. When his dad is out the door I hope the next person with him is his son. Glorified travel agent.

Oilhawks · Feb 25, 2023

I don’t think even Campbell’s own mother would give him any non b2b starts now, hopefully Skinner is ready for a steady diet of starts.

McShogun99 · Feb 25, 2023

Our goaltending has been crap since Mcdavids 3rd year with the team. Is we had 2016-17 Talbot on this current team we’d be legit contenders.

Trafalgar Sadge Law · Feb 25, 2023

Spawn said:
5-7 years? The Oilers haven’t had goaltending this bad since we were running Conklin and Markanen as a tandem.

Brad Holland is a grifter. When his dad is out the door I hope the next person with him is his son. Glorified travel agent.

I'm not a fan of the Brad Holland hire either, but just him being anti Jack Campbell alone means I'll take his opinions more seriously than Holland Sr.

TKB21 · Feb 25, 2023

Any other goaltender that is putting up Campbells numbers would have a one way ticket to the echl. The guys in the AHL literally couldn’t be any worse…

KeithIsActuallyBad · Feb 25, 2023

Fire Dustin Schwartz.

KarmaPolice · Feb 25, 2023

Oilhawks said:
I don’t think even Campbell’s own mother would give him any non b2b starts now, hopefully Skinner is ready for a steady diet of starts.

Tough for a rookie goalie to take the pressure that comes with this team's playoff hopes and aspirations, but we have to hope he's up for it. I'd say it could potentially ruin him and his development if not. The management better be aware of this and make sure we're doing the right thing with how the entire goalie situation is being handled.

CantHaveTkachev · Feb 25, 2023

4 more years with this guy
Buy-out candidate after next year if he doesn’t improve

nexttothemoon · Feb 25, 2023

Stats from just this year...

Top 64 goalies in the league in time on ice this season:

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[TD]

Rank

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Goalie

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Team

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[TD]

GP

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[TD]

GAA

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[TD]

xG Against/60

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[TD]

GAA vs expected GA/60

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[TR]
[TD]

1

[/TD]

[TD]

Ilya Sorokin

[/TD]

[TD]

NYI

[/TD]

[TD]

45

[/TD]

[TD]

2.41

[/TD]

[TD]

3.28

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.87

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

2

[/TD]

[TD]

Linus Ullmark

[/TD]

[TD]

BOS

[/TD]

[TD]

36

[/TD]

[TD]

1.88

[/TD]

[TD]

2.63

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.75

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

3

[/TD]

[TD]

Connor Hellebuyck

[/TD]

[TD]

WPG

[/TD]

[TD]

45

[/TD]

[TD]

2.46

[/TD]

[TD]

3.08

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.62

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

4

[/TD]

[TD]

Filip Gustavsson

[/TD]

[TD]

MIN

[/TD]

[TD]

27

[/TD]

[TD]

2.11

[/TD]

[TD]

2.66

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.55

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

5

[/TD]

[TD]

Jake Oettinger

[/TD]

[TD]

DAL

[/TD]

[TD]

43

[/TD]

[TD]

2.24

[/TD]

[TD]

2.79

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.55

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

6

[/TD]

[TD]

Sam Montembeault

[/TD]

[TD]

MTL

[/TD]

[TD]

25

[/TD]

[TD]

3.24

[/TD]

[TD]

3.76

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.52

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

7

[/TD]

[TD]

Juuse Saros

[/TD]

[TD]

NSH

[/TD]

[TD]

43

[/TD]

[TD]

2.82

[/TD]

[TD]

3.31

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.49

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

8

[/TD]

[TD]

Craig Anderson

[/TD]

[TD]

BUF

[/TD]

[TD]

20

[/TD]

[TD]

2.7

[/TD]

[TD]

3.13

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.43

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

9

[/TD]

[TD]

Andrei Vasilevskiy

[/TD]

[TD]

T.B

[/TD]

[TD]

43

[/TD]

[TD]

2.6

[/TD]

[TD]

2.95

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.35

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

10

[/TD]

[TD]

Pyotr Kochetkov

[/TD]

[TD]

CAR

[/TD]

[TD]

19

[/TD]

[TD]

2.33

[/TD]

[TD]

2.67

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.34

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

11

[/TD]

[TD]

Alexandar Georgiev

[/TD]

[TD]

COL

[/TD]

[TD]

40

[/TD]

[TD]

2.67

[/TD]

[TD]

2.97

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.3

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

12

[/TD]

[TD]

Vitek Vanecek

[/TD]

[TD]

N.J

[/TD]

[TD]

38

[/TD]

[TD]

2.37

[/TD]

[TD]

2.67

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.3

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

13

[/TD]

[TD]

Ilya Samsonov

[/TD]

[TD]

TOR

[/TD]

[TD]

30

[/TD]

[TD]

2.35

[/TD]

[TD]

2.65

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.3

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

14

[/TD]

[TD]

Connor Ingram

[/TD]

[TD]

ARI

[/TD]

[TD]

20

[/TD]

[TD]

3.16

[/TD]

[TD]

3.45

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.29

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

15

[/TD]

[TD]

Stuart Skinner

[/TD]

[TD]

EDM

[/TD]

[TD]

33

[/TD]

[TD]

2.9

[/TD]

[TD]

3.17

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.27

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

16

[/TD]

[TD]

Jeremy Swayman

[/TD]

[TD]

BOS

[/TD]

[TD]

24

[/TD]

[TD]

2.34

[/TD]

[TD]

2.6

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.26

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

17

[/TD]

[TD]

Darcy Kuemper

[/TD]

[TD]

WSH

[/TD]

[TD]

40

[/TD]

[TD]

2.69

[/TD]

[TD]

2.91

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.22

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

18

[/TD]

[TD]

Joonas Korpisalo

[/TD]

[TD]

CBJ

[/TD]

[TD]

28

[/TD]

[TD]

3.13

[/TD]

[TD]

3.34

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.21

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

19

[/TD]

[TD]

Semyon Varlamov

[/TD]

[TD]

NYI

[/TD]

[TD]

19

[/TD]

[TD]

2.82

[/TD]

[TD]

3.02

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.2

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

20

[/TD]

[TD]

Mackenzie Blackwood

[/TD]

[TD]

N.J

[/TD]

[TD]

17

[/TD]

[TD]

3.04

[/TD]

[TD]

3.24

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.2

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

21

[/TD]

[TD]

Pavel Francouz

[/TD]

[TD]

COL

[/TD]

[TD]

15

[/TD]

[TD]

2.53

[/TD]

[TD]

2.71

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.18

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

22

[/TD]

[TD]

Scott Wedgewood

[/TD]

[TD]

DAL

[/TD]

[TD]

18

[/TD]

[TD]

2.92

[/TD]

[TD]

3.09

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.17

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

23

[/TD]

[TD]

Igor Shesterkin

[/TD]

[TD]

NYR

[/TD]

[TD]

42

[/TD]

[TD]

2.67

[/TD]

[TD]

2.83

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.16

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

24

[/TD]

[TD]

Matt Murray

[/TD]

[TD]

TOR

[/TD]

[TD]

19

[/TD]

[TD]

2.73

[/TD]

[TD]

2.89

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.16

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

25

[/TD]

[TD]

Carter Hart

[/TD]

[TD]

PHI

[/TD]

[TD]

44

[/TD]

[TD]

2.94

[/TD]

[TD]

3.08

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.14

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

26

[/TD]

[TD]

Pheonix Copley

[/TD]

[TD]

L.A

[/TD]

[TD]

25

[/TD]

[TD]

2.73

[/TD]

[TD]

2.87

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.14

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

27

[/TD]

[TD]

Karel Vejmelka

[/TD]

[TD]

ARI

[/TD]

[TD]

40

[/TD]

[TD]

3.38

[/TD]

[TD]

3.5

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.12

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

28

[/TD]

[TD]

Jaroslav Halak

[/TD]

[TD]

NYR

[/TD]

[TD]

18

[/TD]

[TD]

2.72

[/TD]

[TD]

2.83

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.11

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

29

[/TD]

[TD]

Brian Elliott

[/TD]

[TD]

T.B

[/TD]

[TD]

14

[/TD]

[TD]

2.9

[/TD]

[TD]

3

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.1

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

30

[/TD]

[TD]

Frederik Andersen

[/TD]

[TD]

CAR

[/TD]

[TD]

19

[/TD]

[TD]

2.43

[/TD]

[TD]

2.53

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.1

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

31

[/TD]

[TD]

Tristan Jarry

[/TD]

[TD]

PIT

[/TD]

[TD]

30

[/TD]

[TD]

2.79

[/TD]

[TD]

2.87

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.08

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

32

[/TD]

[TD]

Cam Talbot

[/TD]

[TD]

OTT

[/TD]

[TD]

29

[/TD]

[TD]

2.9

[/TD]

[TD]

2.98

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.08

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

33

[/TD]

[TD]

Anton Forsberg

[/TD]

[TD]

OTT

[/TD]

[TD]

28

[/TD]

[TD]

3.26

[/TD]

[TD]

3.34

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.08

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

34

[/TD]

[TD]

David Rittich

[/TD]

[TD]

WPG

[/TD]

[TD]

16

[/TD]

[TD]

2.43

[/TD]

[TD]

2.51

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.08

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

35

[/TD]

[TD]

Sergei Bobrovsky

[/TD]

[TD]

FLA

[/TD]

[TD]

38

[/TD]

[TD]

3.12

[/TD]

[TD]

3.18

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.06

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

36

[/TD]

[TD]

Antti Raanta

[/TD]

[TD]

CAR

[/TD]

[TD]

21

[/TD]

[TD]

2.32

[/TD]

[TD]

2.38

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.06

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

37

[/TD]

[TD]

Anthony Stolarz

[/TD]

[TD]

ANA

[/TD]

[TD]

19

[/TD]

[TD]

3.73

[/TD]

[TD]

3.79

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.06

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

38

[/TD]

[TD]

Casey DeSmith

[/TD]

[TD]

PIT

[/TD]

[TD]

28

[/TD]

[TD]

3.28

[/TD]

[TD]

3.31

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.03

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

39

[/TD]

[TD]

Ville Husso

[/TD]

[TD]

DET

[/TD]

[TD]

42

[/TD]

[TD]

2.85

[/TD]

[TD]

2.86

[/TD]

[TD]

-0.01

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

40

[/TD]

[TD]

Charlie Lindgren

[/TD]

[TD]

WSH

[/TD]

[TD]

25

[/TD]

[TD]

2.71

[/TD]

[TD]

2.71

[/TD]

[TD]

0

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

41

[/TD]

[TD]

Philipp Grubauer

[/TD]

[TD]

SEA

[/TD]

[TD]

23

[/TD]

[TD]

2.97

[/TD]

[TD]

2.97

[/TD]

[TD]

0

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

42

[/TD]

[TD]

Logan Thompson

[/TD]

[TD]

VGK

[/TD]

[TD]

36

[/TD]

[TD]

2.66

[/TD]

[TD]

2.64

[/TD]

[TD]

0.02

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

43

[/TD]

[TD]

Adin Hill

[/TD]

[TD]

VGK

[/TD]

[TD]

23

[/TD]

[TD]

2.55

[/TD]

[TD]

2.49

[/TD]

[TD]

0.06

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

44

[/TD]

[TD]

Jordan Binnington

[/TD]

[TD]

STL

[/TD]

[TD]

46

[/TD]

[TD]

3.25

[/TD]

[TD]

3.16

[/TD]

[TD]

0.09

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

45

[/TD]

[TD]

John Gibson

[/TD]

[TD]

ANA

[/TD]

[TD]

40

[/TD]

[TD]

4.01

[/TD]

[TD]

3.92

[/TD]

[TD]

0.09

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

46

[/TD]

[TD]

Jake Allen

[/TD]

[TD]

MTL

[/TD]

[TD]

33

[/TD]

[TD]

3.42

[/TD]

[TD]

3.31

[/TD]

[TD]

0.11

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

47

[/TD]

[TD]

Marc-Andre Fleury

[/TD]

[TD]

MIN

[/TD]

[TD]

35

[/TD]

[TD]

2.89

[/TD]

[TD]

2.76

[/TD]

[TD]

0.13

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

48

[/TD]

[TD]

Martin Jones

[/TD]

[TD]

SEA

[/TD]

[TD]

38

[/TD]

[TD]

2.95

[/TD]

[TD]

2.77

[/TD]

[TD]

0.18

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

49

[/TD]

[TD]

Jacob Markstrom

[/TD]

[TD]

CGY

[/TD]

[TD]

38

[/TD]

[TD]

2.93

[/TD]

[TD]

2.71

[/TD]

[TD]

0.22

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

50

[/TD]

[TD]

Dan Vladar

[/TD]

[TD]

CGY

[/TD]

[TD]

23

[/TD]

[TD]

2.9

[/TD]

[TD]

2.66

[/TD]

[TD]

0.24

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

51

[/TD]

[TD]

Spencer Knight

[/TD]

[TD]

FLA

[/TD]

[TD]

21

[/TD]

[TD]

3.18

[/TD]

[TD]

2.83

[/TD]

[TD]

0.35

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

52

[/TD]

[TD]

Collin Delia

[/TD]

[TD]

VAN

[/TD]

[TD]

15

[/TD]

[TD]

3.51

[/TD]

[TD]

3.12

[/TD]

[TD]

0.39

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

53

[/TD]

[TD]

Thomas Greiss

[/TD]

[TD]

STL

[/TD]

[TD]

16

[/TD]

[TD]

3.54

[/TD]

[TD]

3.14

[/TD]

[TD]

0.4

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

54

[/TD]

[TD]

Arvid Soderblom

[/TD]

[TD]

CHI

[/TD]

[TD]

15

[/TD]

[TD]

3.45

[/TD]

[TD]

3.05

[/TD]

[TD]

0.4

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

55

[/TD]

[TD]

James Reimer

[/TD]

[TD]

S.J

[/TD]

[TD]

30

[/TD]

[TD]

3.29

[/TD]

[TD]

2.88

[/TD]

[TD]

0.41

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

56

[/TD]

[TD]

Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen

[/TD]

[TD]

BUF

[/TD]

[TD]

24

[/TD]

[TD]

3.55

[/TD]

[TD]

3.13

[/TD]

[TD]

0.42

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

57

[/TD]

[TD]

Petr Mrazek

[/TD]

[TD]

CHI

[/TD]

[TD]

26

[/TD]

[TD]

3.86

[/TD]

[TD]

3.35

[/TD]

[TD]

0.51

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

58

[/TD]

[TD]

Eric Comrie

[/TD]

[TD]

BUF

[/TD]

[TD]

15

[/TD]

[TD]

3.59

[/TD]

[TD]

3.01

[/TD]

[TD]

0.58

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

59

[/TD]

[TD]

Kaapo Kahkonen

[/TD]

[TD]

S.J

[/TD]

[TD]

25

[/TD]

[TD]

3.6

[/TD]

[TD]

2.97

[/TD]

[TD]

0.63

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

60

[/TD]

[TD]

Jonathan Quick

[/TD]

[TD]

L.A

[/TD]

[TD]

30

[/TD]

[TD]

3.44

[/TD]

[TD]

2.73

[/TD]

[TD]

0.71

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

61

[/TD]

[TD]

Jack Campbell

[/TD]

[TD]

EDM

[/TD]

[TD]

31

[/TD]

[TD]

3.48

[/TD]

[TD]

2.74

[/TD]

[TD]

0.74

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

62

[/TD]

[TD]

Thatcher Demko

[/TD]

[TD]

VAN

[/TD]

[TD]

15

[/TD]

[TD]

3.93

[/TD]

[TD]

3.02

[/TD]

[TD]

0.91

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

63

[/TD]

[TD]

Spencer Martin

[/TD]

[TD]

VAN

[/TD]

[TD]

29

[/TD]

[TD]

3.99

[/TD]

[TD]

3.01

[/TD]

[TD]

0.98

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

64

[/TD]

[TD]

Elvis Merzlikins

[/TD]

[TD]

CBJ

[/TD]

[TD]

24

[/TD]

[TD]

4.21

[/TD]

[TD]

3.01

[/TD]

[TD]

1.2

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Skinner isn't the problem... he's been playing like a middling starter (15th in the NHL).

Campbell on the other hand has been playing like a really crappy back up. 61st... 4th worst numbers in the NHL.

The difference between Skinner and Campbell has been 1.01 goals against compared to expected goals against... so anytime you are putting Campbell in net over Skinner... you are basically gifting the opposing team a 1 goal lead even before the game begins.

CROTT · Feb 25, 2023

nexttothemoon said:
Skinner isn't the problem... he's been playing like a middling starter (15th in the NHL).

Campbell on the other hand has been playing like a really crappy back up. 61st... 4th worst numbers in the NHL.

The difference between Skinner and Campbell has been 1.01 goals against compared to expected goals against... so anytime you are putting Campbell in net over Skinner... you are basically gifting the opposing team a 1 goal lead even before the game begins.

Worse than Markstrom/Vladar.... Yikes.

Spawn · Feb 27, 2023

So I was watching highlights from other games around the league and I saw
goalies making difficult saves when there is a defensive breakdown!? It can’t be. Campbell apologists say that’s impossible!

yukoner88 · Feb 27, 2023

is there a way we can delete this contract?

im in the camp of buying this guy out

Drivesaitl · Feb 27, 2023

nexttothemoon said:
Stats from just this year...

Top 64 goalies in the league in time on ice this season:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]
Rank
[/TD]

[TD]
Goalie
[/TD]

[TD]
Team
[/TD]

[TD]
GP
[/TD]

[TD]
GAA
[/TD]

[TD]
xG Against/60
[/TD]

[TD]
GAA vs expected GA/60
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
1
[/TD]

[TD]
Ilya Sorokin
[/TD]

[TD]
NYI
[/TD]

[TD]
45
[/TD]

[TD]
2.41
[/TD]

[TD]
3.28
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.87
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
2
[/TD]

[TD]
Linus Ullmark
[/TD]

[TD]
BOS
[/TD]

[TD]
36
[/TD]

[TD]
1.88
[/TD]

[TD]
2.63
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.75
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
3
[/TD]

[TD]
Connor Hellebuyck
[/TD]

[TD]
WPG
[/TD]

[TD]
45
[/TD]

[TD]
2.46
[/TD]

[TD]
3.08
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.62
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
4
[/TD]

[TD]
Filip Gustavsson
[/TD]

[TD]
MIN
[/TD]

[TD]
27
[/TD]

[TD]
2.11
[/TD]

[TD]
2.66
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.55
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
5
[/TD]

[TD]
Jake Oettinger
[/TD]

[TD]
DAL
[/TD]

[TD]
43
[/TD]

[TD]
2.24
[/TD]

[TD]
2.79
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.55
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
6
[/TD]

[TD]
Sam Montembeault
[/TD]

[TD]
MTL
[/TD]

[TD]
25
[/TD]

[TD]
3.24
[/TD]

[TD]
3.76
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.52
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
7
[/TD]

[TD]
Juuse Saros
[/TD]

[TD]
NSH
[/TD]

[TD]
43
[/TD]

[TD]
2.82
[/TD]

[TD]
3.31
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.49
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
8
[/TD]

[TD]
Craig Anderson
[/TD]

[TD]
BUF
[/TD]

[TD]
20
[/TD]

[TD]
2.7
[/TD]

[TD]
3.13
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.43
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
9
[/TD]

[TD]
Andrei Vasilevskiy
[/TD]

[TD]
T.B
[/TD]

[TD]
43
[/TD]

[TD]
2.6
[/TD]

[TD]
2.95
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.35
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
10
[/TD]

[TD]
Pyotr Kochetkov
[/TD]

[TD]
CAR
[/TD]

[TD]
19
[/TD]

[TD]
2.33
[/TD]

[TD]
2.67
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.34
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
11
[/TD]

[TD]
Alexandar Georgiev
[/TD]

[TD]
COL
[/TD]

[TD]
40
[/TD]

[TD]
2.67
[/TD]

[TD]
2.97
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.3
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
12
[/TD]

[TD]
Vitek Vanecek
[/TD]

[TD]
N.J
[/TD]

[TD]
38
[/TD]

[TD]
2.37
[/TD]

[TD]
2.67
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.3
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
13
[/TD]

[TD]
Ilya Samsonov
[/TD]

[TD]
TOR
[/TD]

[TD]
30
[/TD]

[TD]
2.35
[/TD]

[TD]
2.65
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.3
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
14
[/TD]

[TD]
Connor Ingram
[/TD]

[TD]
ARI
[/TD]

[TD]
20
[/TD]

[TD]
3.16
[/TD]

[TD]
3.45
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.29
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
15
[/TD]

[TD]
Stuart Skinner
[/TD]

[TD]
EDM
[/TD]

[TD]
33
[/TD]

[TD]
2.9
[/TD]

[TD]
3.17
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.27
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
16
[/TD]

[TD]
Jeremy Swayman
[/TD]

[TD]
BOS
[/TD]

[TD]
24
[/TD]

[TD]
2.34
[/TD]

[TD]
2.6
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.26
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
17
[/TD]

[TD]
Darcy Kuemper
[/TD]

[TD]
WSH
[/TD]

[TD]
40
[/TD]

[TD]
2.69
[/TD]

[TD]
2.91
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.22
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
18
[/TD]

[TD]
Joonas Korpisalo
[/TD]

[TD]
CBJ
[/TD]

[TD]
28
[/TD]

[TD]
3.13
[/TD]

[TD]
3.34
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.21
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
19
[/TD]

[TD]
Semyon Varlamov
[/TD]

[TD]
NYI
[/TD]

[TD]
19
[/TD]

[TD]
2.82
[/TD]

[TD]
3.02
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
20
[/TD]

[TD]
Mackenzie Blackwood
[/TD]

[TD]
N.J
[/TD]

[TD]
17
[/TD]

[TD]
3.04
[/TD]

[TD]
3.24
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
21
[/TD]

[TD]
Pavel Francouz
[/TD]

[TD]
COL
[/TD]

[TD]
15
[/TD]

[TD]
2.53
[/TD]

[TD]
2.71
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.18
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
22
[/TD]

[TD]
Scott Wedgewood
[/TD]

[TD]
DAL
[/TD]

[TD]
18
[/TD]

[TD]
2.92
[/TD]

[TD]
3.09
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.17
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
23
[/TD]

[TD]
Igor Shesterkin
[/TD]

[TD]
NYR
[/TD]

[TD]
42
[/TD]

[TD]
2.67
[/TD]

[TD]
2.83
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.16
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
24
[/TD]

[TD]
Matt Murray
[/TD]

[TD]
TOR
[/TD]

[TD]
19
[/TD]

[TD]
2.73
[/TD]

[TD]
2.89
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.16
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
25
[/TD]

[TD]
Carter Hart
[/TD]

[TD]
PHI
[/TD]

[TD]
44
[/TD]

[TD]
2.94
[/TD]

[TD]
3.08
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
26
[/TD]

[TD]
Pheonix Copley
[/TD]

[TD]
L.A
[/TD]

[TD]
25
[/TD]

[TD]
2.73
[/TD]

[TD]
2.87
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
27
[/TD]

[TD]
Karel Vejmelka
[/TD]

[TD]
ARI
[/TD]

[TD]
40
[/TD]

[TD]
3.38
[/TD]

[TD]
3.5
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
28
[/TD]

[TD]
Jaroslav Halak
[/TD]

[TD]
NYR
[/TD]

[TD]
18
[/TD]

[TD]
2.72
[/TD]

[TD]
2.83
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.11
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
29
[/TD]

[TD]
Brian Elliott
[/TD]

[TD]
T.B
[/TD]

[TD]
14
[/TD]

[TD]
2.9
[/TD]

[TD]
3
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
30
[/TD]

[TD]
Frederik Andersen
[/TD]

[TD]
CAR
[/TD]

[TD]
19
[/TD]

[TD]
2.43
[/TD]

[TD]
2.53
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
31
[/TD]

[TD]
Tristan Jarry
[/TD]

[TD]
PIT
[/TD]

[TD]
30
[/TD]

[TD]
2.79
[/TD]

[TD]
2.87
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.08
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
32
[/TD]

[TD]
Cam Talbot
[/TD]

[TD]
OTT
[/TD]

[TD]
29
[/TD]

[TD]
2.9
[/TD]

[TD]
2.98
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.08
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
33
[/TD]

[TD]
Anton Forsberg
[/TD]

[TD]
OTT
[/TD]

[TD]
28
[/TD]

[TD]
3.26
[/TD]

[TD]
3.34
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.08
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
34
[/TD]

[TD]
David Rittich
[/TD]

[TD]
WPG
[/TD]

[TD]
16
[/TD]

[TD]
2.43
[/TD]

[TD]
2.51
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.08
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
35
[/TD]

[TD]
Sergei Bobrovsky
[/TD]

[TD]
FLA
[/TD]

[TD]
38
[/TD]

[TD]
3.12
[/TD]

[TD]
3.18
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.06
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
36
[/TD]

[TD]
Antti Raanta
[/TD]

[TD]
CAR
[/TD]

[TD]
21
[/TD]

[TD]
2.32
[/TD]

[TD]
2.38
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.06
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
37
[/TD]

[TD]
Anthony Stolarz
[/TD]

[TD]
ANA
[/TD]

[TD]
19
[/TD]

[TD]
3.73
[/TD]

[TD]
3.79
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.06
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
38
[/TD]

[TD]
Casey DeSmith
[/TD]

[TD]
PIT
[/TD]

[TD]
28
[/TD]

[TD]
3.28
[/TD]

[TD]
3.31
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.03
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
39
[/TD]

[TD]
Ville Husso
[/TD]

[TD]
DET
[/TD]

[TD]
42
[/TD]

[TD]
2.85
[/TD]

[TD]
2.86
[/TD]

[TD]
-0.01
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
40
[/TD]

[TD]
Charlie Lindgren
[/TD]

[TD]
WSH
[/TD]

[TD]
25
[/TD]

[TD]
2.71
[/TD]

[TD]
2.71
[/TD]

[TD]
0
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
41
[/TD]

[TD]
Philipp Grubauer
[/TD]

[TD]
SEA
[/TD]

[TD]
23
[/TD]

[TD]
2.97
[/TD]

[TD]
2.97
[/TD]

[TD]
0
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
42
[/TD]

[TD]
Logan Thompson
[/TD]

[TD]
VGK
[/TD]

[TD]
36
[/TD]

[TD]
2.66
[/TD]

[TD]
2.64
[/TD]

[TD]
0.02
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
43
[/TD]

[TD]
Adin Hill
[/TD]

[TD]
VGK
[/TD]

[TD]
23
[/TD]

[TD]
2.55
[/TD]

[TD]
2.49
[/TD]

[TD]
0.06
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
44
[/TD]

[TD]
Jordan Binnington
[/TD]

[TD]
STL
[/TD]

[TD]
46
[/TD]

[TD]
3.25
[/TD]

[TD]
3.16
[/TD]

[TD]
0.09
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
45
[/TD]

[TD]
John Gibson
[/TD]

[TD]
ANA
[/TD]

[TD]
40
[/TD]

[TD]
4.01
[/TD]

[TD]
3.92
[/TD]

[TD]
0.09
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
46
[/TD]

[TD]
Jake Allen
[/TD]

[TD]
MTL
[/TD]

[TD]
33
[/TD]

[TD]
3.42
[/TD]

[TD]
3.31
[/TD]

[TD]
0.11
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
47
[/TD]

[TD]
Marc-Andre Fleury
[/TD]

[TD]
MIN
[/TD]

[TD]
35
[/TD]

[TD]
2.89
[/TD]

[TD]
2.76
[/TD]

[TD]
0.13
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
48
[/TD]

[TD]
Martin Jones
[/TD]

[TD]
SEA
[/TD]

[TD]
38
[/TD]

[TD]
2.95
[/TD]

[TD]
2.77
[/TD]

[TD]
0.18
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
49
[/TD]

[TD]
Jacob Markstrom
[/TD]

[TD]
CGY
[/TD]

[TD]
38
[/TD]

[TD]
2.93
[/TD]

[TD]
2.71
[/TD]

[TD]
0.22
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
50
[/TD]

[TD]
Dan Vladar
[/TD]

[TD]
CGY
[/TD]

[TD]
23
[/TD]

[TD]
2.9
[/TD]

[TD]
2.66
[/TD]

[TD]
0.24
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
51
[/TD]

[TD]
Spencer Knight
[/TD]

[TD]
FLA
[/TD]

[TD]
21
[/TD]

[TD]
3.18
[/TD]

[TD]
2.83
[/TD]

[TD]
0.35
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
52
[/TD]

[TD]
Collin Delia
[/TD]

[TD]
VAN
[/TD]

[TD]
15
[/TD]

[TD]
3.51
[/TD]

[TD]
3.12
[/TD]

[TD]
0.39
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
53
[/TD]

[TD]
Thomas Greiss
[/TD]

[TD]
STL
[/TD]

[TD]
16
[/TD]

[TD]
3.54
[/TD]

[TD]
3.14
[/TD]

[TD]
0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
54
[/TD]

[TD]
Arvid Soderblom
[/TD]

[TD]
CHI
[/TD]

[TD]
15
[/TD]

[TD]
3.45
[/TD]

[TD]
3.05
[/TD]

[TD]
0.4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
55
[/TD]

[TD]
James Reimer
[/TD]

[TD]
S.J
[/TD]

[TD]
30
[/TD]

[TD]
3.29
[/TD]

[TD]
2.88
[/TD]

[TD]
0.41
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
56
[/TD]

[TD]
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
[/TD]

[TD]
BUF
[/TD]

[TD]
24
[/TD]

[TD]
3.55
[/TD]

[TD]
3.13
[/TD]

[TD]
0.42
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
57
[/TD]

[TD]
Petr Mrazek
[/TD]

[TD]
CHI
[/TD]

[TD]
26
[/TD]

[TD]
3.86
[/TD]

[TD]
3.35
[/TD]

[TD]
0.51
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
58
[/TD]

[TD]
Eric Comrie
[/TD]

[TD]
BUF
[/TD]

[TD]
15
[/TD]

[TD]
3.59
[/TD]

[TD]
3.01
[/TD]

[TD]
0.58
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
59
[/TD]

[TD]
Kaapo Kahkonen
[/TD]

[TD]
S.J
[/TD]

[TD]
25
[/TD]

[TD]
3.6
[/TD]

[TD]
2.97
[/TD]

[TD]
0.63
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
60
[/TD]

[TD]
Jonathan Quick
[/TD]

[TD]
L.A
[/TD]

[TD]
30
[/TD]

[TD]
3.44
[/TD]

[TD]
2.73
[/TD]

[TD]
0.71
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
61
[/TD]

[TD]
Jack Campbell
[/TD]

[TD]
EDM
[/TD]

[TD]
31
[/TD]

[TD]
3.48
[/TD]

[TD]
2.74
[/TD]

[TD]
0.74
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
62
[/TD]

[TD]
Thatcher Demko
[/TD]

[TD]
VAN
[/TD]

[TD]
15
[/TD]

[TD]
3.93
[/TD]

[TD]
3.02
[/TD]

[TD]
0.91
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
63
[/TD]

[TD]
Spencer Martin
[/TD]

[TD]
VAN
[/TD]

[TD]
29
[/TD]

[TD]
3.99
[/TD]

[TD]
3.01
[/TD]

[TD]
0.98
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
64
[/TD]

[TD]
Elvis Merzlikins
[/TD]

[TD]
CBJ
[/TD]

[TD]
24
[/TD]

[TD]
4.21
[/TD]

[TD]
3.01
[/TD]

[TD]
1.2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Skinner isn't the problem... he's been playing like a middling starter (15th in the NHL).

Campbell on the other hand has been playing like a really crappy back up. 61st... 4th worst numbers in the NHL.

The difference between Skinner and Campbell has been 1.01 goals against compared to expected goals against... so anytime you are putting Campbell in net over Skinner... you are basically gifting the opposing team a 1 goal lead even before the game begins.

Important to mention though that the list is ranked on Expected GA vs GA. Thats it. Just mentioning this as people tend to look at information superficially. But the above is ranking goalies entirely on a stat lacking validity or substantiation. What we see as a reulst is a lot of noise and goalie we would expect to be better down the list and vice versa. The degree of random seemingly pronounced in the list.

Note as well where the list is putting goalies like Vladar and Markstrom. The scoring seems to imply that the "so good Calgary Flames" are letting in way more goals than should be expected. I think that notion is absolute nonsense. Indeed what gets doubled down on lists like this is that flawed parameters that were predicting some clubs to be great (Calgary) are now saying the actual results have not met with what ought to occur. lol

Theres something to be seen with stats like this but take with grain of salt and flesh out the noise in the stats. No metric is close to ideal for measuring goalie play.

Drivesaitl · Feb 27, 2023

CROTT said:
Worse than Markstrom/Vladar.... Yikes.

Vladar has been pretty good in Calgary. They give up a ton of chances. Calgary are just a bad team. If anything their goalies have kept them in the running for a number of years and Markstrom just last season. The look at Calgary goalies being the fault for the team is ridiculous. Just a year ago they were staking out a record number of shutouts. For a longwhile last season Flames were poised to have the most shutouts in any season, ever, by any team. If anything Calgary are so bad now that even that level of goaltending that got them a dozen shutouts can't even save them. I think this is the more realistic view. It isn't their goalies failing them and we're only one season removed from the goalies being the best flames.

5 Mins 4 Ftg · Feb 27, 2023

Drivesaitl said:
Important to mention though that the list is ranked on Expected GA vs GA. Thats it. Just mentioning this as people tend to look at information superficially. But the above is ranking goalies entirely on a stat lacking validity or substantiation. What we see as a reulst is a lot of noise and goalie we would expect to be better down the list and vice versa. The degree of random seemingly pronounced in the list.

Note as well where the list is putting goalies like Vladar and Markstrom. The scoring seems to implay that the "so good Calgary Flames" are letting in way more goals than should be expected. I think that notion is absolute nonsense. INdeed what gets doubled down on lists like this is that flawed parameters that were predicting some clubs to be great (Calgary) are now saying the actual results have not met with what ought to occur. lol

Theres something to be seen with stats like this but take with grain of salt and flesh out the noise in the stats. No metric is close to ideal for measuring goalie play.

Now that “expected” this and “expected” that are the Twitterlytics Stat du Jour, actual real stats and performance have taken a back seat amongst the “I only know the game through Excel” community.

“Expected” is as you say a very subjective stat and a laughable one at that.

CROTT · Feb 27, 2023

5 Mins 4 Ftg said:
Now that “expected” this and “expected” that are the Twitterlytics Stat du Jour, actual real stats and performance have taken a back seat amongst the “I only know the game through Excel” community.

“Expected” is as you say a very subjective stat and a laughable one at that.

I agree with this to some extent, though it seams like there is a very high almost 100% probability to have an “expected” 4 GA when Campbell is in net.

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