Confirmed with Link: Ivan Provorov traded to CBJ (via LA) - 1st, 2 2nds, Petersen, Walker, Grans to Philly

[GKJ]

Still a great deal, but slightly dissapointed that neither 2nd round pick are in 2023. Either way though, this is going to be a long rebuild so the 2024 2nds are nice to have as well.

It's a great return by Briere. There's absolutely no denying that. Walker can probably return a mid-round pick (4-6) at the deadline as well.

Petersen is a perfect veteran to take a beating over the next few years too. Feel sorry for him in advance lol

Hard to not give this deal at least an A-

Can always trade back in the draft and get one.

 

[Pantokrator]

Hand up - I was ready to yell and talk about how much I hate the Front Office. Sorry it was out of habit lmao

I pissed the past two hours thinking we got Sean Walker and Cal Petersen for Provorov.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Fair.

I was starting from the position where I only heard Walker and Petersen, with no sweeteners.

I hope they're just carrying Walker to flip for another asset or two at the deadline. I know nothing about Grans, but a big bodied right handed 2nd round pick defensemen is hockey guy crack, so I'm not surprised they grabbed him, too. I'm not too worried about the number of contracts at the moment. Briere and company have time to figure things out there.

Three picks, plus (hopefully) another pick or two for Walker down the road, is fine by me for Provorov. Petersen stinks and I'm not sure what value I would have placed on taking that contract on for two years; I'll just bury my head in the sand for that part of the trade....

Think LA are the winners here. They dumped 5.65 this year and 3ish next year (if my math is right) for a future 2nd rounder and a prospect that was not in their plans. Contract slots ended up being a wash in the end. Compared to the Kassian deal, that is a steal for a contender.

I don't quite get their involvement honestly. Couldn't this deal have been made without them with the Flyers retaining? Seems more complex than it had to be.

Columbus is the loser, but less so since they held onto 34 this year and can somehow decide whether or not they want to trade '24 or '25's second rounder. That's an odd condition in their favor. I don't see how that doesn't end up being a 2025 2nd rounder.

I think this is more of an OK deal than great deal for the Flyers. Now 'OK' in Flyerland lately is an improvement over what we've had so baby steps...

The trade really comes down to Provorov for the 22nd pick. To me a pick in the 20s this year (or the equivalent) was my minimum threshold in a Provorov trade. Part of me finds it hard to believe someone wouldn't have topped that offer for a guy that is viewed as a "top pair, minute muncher" at 2 x 6.5.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

LA did extremely well. I don't understand how they dumped so cheaply.

Flyers did fine. That salary coming back has value and needs to be factored in if we want to be honest. Still fine. Definitely not on board with this being a fleecing, but I have no complaints. In a vacuum, I prefer 22 + future 2nd + future 2nd to 15 + future 2nd for example.

Don't like it for CBJ.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Some of you embarrassed yourselves not being patient on the reporting of the return. Did you learn nothing from the Giroux trade?

Also, I would like credit for talking about Sean Walker

Remember that time we thought we were getting a second in the Ghost trade then Jojo put us in our place. That was fun.

 

[pit]

Think LA are the winners here. They dumped 5.65 this year and 3ish next year (if my math is right) for a future 2nd rounder and a prospect that was not in their plans. Contract slots ended up being a wash in the end. Compared to the Kassian deal, that is a steal for a contender.

I don't quite get their involvement honestly. Couldn't this deal have been made without them with the Flyers retaining? Seems more complex than it had to be.

Columbus is the loser, but less so since they held onto 34 this year and can somehow decide whether or not they want to trade '24 or '25's second rounder. That's an odd condition in their favor. I don't see how that doesn't end up being a 2025 2nd rounder.

I think this is more of an OK deal than great deal for the Flyers. Now 'OK' in Flyerland lately is an improvement over what we've had so baby steps...

The trade really comes down to Provorov for the 22nd pick. To me a pick in the 20s this year (or the equivalent) was my minimum threshold in a Provorov trade. Part of me finds it hard to believe someone wouldn't have topped that offer for a guy that is viewed as a "top pair, minute muncher" at 2 x 6.5.

This assessment fails to take into account the tremendous loss of Hayden Hodgson and is thus declared null and void.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Wish the 2nds were for this year, but not a bad 1st trade. So we'll see what happens from here.

Glad Provy is gone and we got a 1st back though.

 

[DancingPanther]

As always, screwed by Fletcher yet again by not trading him when he was clearly overvalued league wide. Still a 1st and 2nd + conditional 2/3 is fine, which is light years better than what we're used to. I could do without Helga or whatever, tools are fine, but just screams "big" to me. I'd rather just have another 2nd.

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[GKJ]

Remember that time we thought we were getting a second in the Ghost trade then Jojo put us in our place. That was fun.

I was on vacation for that and wasn't all the way in here when it happened, and did think the same thing. Good thing I was both drunk and high.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

First time I can get on in hours and now I don’t know what to post…good on Briere. I wouldn’t mind taking a big swing on Cristall, Musty, the 2 Russian dmen, etc with 22. Sounds like Hart is gone. Go the distance and trade TK too. At least this signals a tankish rebuild. It also likely secured a top 5 pick next year. In one day, the Flyers future looks much brighter

 

[Rebels57]

Think LA are the winners here. They dumped 5.65 this year and 3ish next year (if my math is right) for a future 2nd rounder and a prospect that was not in their plans. Contract slots ended up being a wash in the end. Compared to the Kassian deal, that is a steal for a contender.

I don't quite get their involvement honestly. Couldn't this deal have been made without them with the Flyers retaining? Seems more complex than it had to be.

Columbus is the loser, but less so since they held onto 34 this year and can somehow decide whether or not they want to trade '24 or '25's second rounder. That's an odd condition in their favor. I don't see how that doesn't end up being a 2025 2nd rounder.

I think this is more of an OK deal than great deal for the Flyers. Now 'OK' in Flyerland lately is an improvement over what we've had so baby steps...

The trade really comes down to Provorov for the 22nd pick. To me a pick in the 20s this year (or the equivalent) was my minimum threshold in a Provorov trade. Part of me finds it hard to believe someone wouldn't have topped that offer for a guy that is viewed as a "top pair, minute muncher" at 2 x 6.5.

It's possible that a lot of teams are smart enough to know he's really not a top pair caliber defensemen. I think this return should be graded on Provorov's actual on-ice performance. When you look at that, and how he has actually been one of their worst defensemen the past few seasons, it's hard for me to think 22nd overall, a 2nd in 2024 and a 2nd in 2025 (i'm assuming) isn't more than OK.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Columbus is the loser, but less so since they held onto 34 this year and can somehow decide whether or not they want to trade '24 or '25's second rounder. That's an odd condition in their favor. I don't see how that doesn't end up being a 2025 2nd rounder.

Yeah, things felt a lot better when I thought the Columbus pick was #34 in 2023.

Only way it becomes a 2024 pick is if Columbus has a good year; they're obviously deferring if they suck again.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I wish one of the 2nd's was in 2023 to make up for the fact that we have none thanks to Fletcher. Cleaning up his mess is going to take some time. I wonder what happens to the Hayes to CBJ rumors? Does this mean Hart is gone for sure?

 

[Rebels57]

First time I can get on in hours and now I don’t know what to post…good on Briere. I wouldn’t mind taking a big swing on Cristall, Musty, the 2 Russian dmen, etc with 22. Sounds like Hart is gone. Go the distance and trade TK too. At least this signals a tankish rebuild. It also likely secured a top 5 pick next year. In one day, the Flyers future looks much brighter

I don't think Cristall is there at 22.

I wish one of the 2nd's was in 2023 to make up for the fact that we have none thanks to Fletcher. Cleaning up his mess is going to take some time. I wonder what happens to the Hayes to CBJ rumors? Does this mean Hart is gone for sure?

Still hopeful Briere returns one with a Hart or Hayes trade.

 

[Garbage Goal]

I’m kind of whatever on the trade. It’s good value for what Provorov is but they should’ve rebuilded years ago.

Between his unearned and unconditional play time, PP time, and the pride night stuff I’m happy Provorov is gone. Really tired of seeing him.

Good value. Nothing to really get excited about though. Best asset is a late 1st. Really the best thing here is the indication they’re actually going to rebuild for once.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

LA did extremely well. I don't understand how they dumped so cheaply.

Flyers did fine. That salary coming back has value and needs to be factored in if we want to be honest. Still fine. Definitely not on board with this being a fleecing, but I have no complaints. In a vacuum, I prefer 22 + future 2nd + future 2nd to 15 + future 2nd for example.

Don't like it for CBJ.

What's wild is, LA's fans seem to be the most upset of all 3 fan bases.

I think Philly came out the best with LA #2 and CBJ just botching it (though I can see him doing just fine in CBJ)

 

[Rebels57]

What's wild is, LA's fans seem to be the most upset of all 3 fan bases.

I saw them celebrating earlier on Twitter before all of the details came out when they thought they got rid of Petersen and Walker and only had to retain on Provorov lol.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I saw them celebrating earlier on Twitter before all of the details came out when they thought they got rid of Petersen and Walker and only had to retain on Provorov lol.

Which was dumb. I mean how was it not obvious to them (and quite frankly to some of you Flyers fans here) that the deal wasn't just Provorov for Peterson and Walker?!

I know the Flyers have been inept, but come ON

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What's wild is, LA's fans seem to be the most upset of all 3 fan bases.

I'm so out on the NHL in general that I don't want to comment on other teams. But if I was a team wanting to dump superfluous salary and I paid the price LA just paid, I would be extremely happy. We know what salary costs to dump. This is cheap for the last X years.

I would guess Kings' fans are factoring in that this is going to be used to pay for Gavrikov. At one point, he was quite the underhyped solid depth player. The last time I checked, he had fallen off considerably. But that was a while ago and my opinion isn't up to date.

 

[Sombastate]

I think it's a good trade now that it's all in. And I didn't hate provorov as much as other people did.

A bit nervous to see if this Hart trade goes through, but I hope he goes to Edmonton

 

[Redpath]

It's possible that a lot of teams are smart enough to know he's really not a top pair caliber defensemen. I think this return should be graded on Provorov's actual on-ice performance. When you look at that, and how he has actually been one of their worst defensemen the past few seasons, it's hard for me to think 22nd overall, a 2nd in 2024 and a 2nd in 2025 (i'm assuming) isn't more than OK.

Sure, but for every team who is smart enough to know that, there is another team who isn't smart enough to know that.

I'm very happy with the trade, but part of my feels like there had to have been a sucker GM out there who would have traded us even more.

Same logic applies with Hart.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's possible that a lot of teams are smart enough to know he's really not a top pair caliber defensemen. I think this return should be graded on Provorov's actual on-ice performance. When you look at that, and how he has actually been one of their worst defensemen the past few seasons, it's hard for me to think 22nd overall, a 2nd in 2024 and a 2nd in 2025 (i'm assuming) isn't more than OK.

Oh I think this is absolutely the case. But as we sadly know from Risto among others, the high valuations set the trade market value.

I'm of the opinion that the number of interested teams is the most overrated aspect of eventual trade returns. You don't have 12 bidders in to the end. The top 2 or 3 bidders set the market.

 

[Danko]

Assuming this kills any potential possibility of our lord and savior Robert Hagg coming back

 

[Rebels57]

Sure, but for every team who is smart enough to know that, there is another team who isn't smart enough to know that.

I'm very happy with the trade, but part of my feels like there had to have been a sucker GM out there who would have traded us even more.

Same logic applies with Hart.

I'm really curious to see what Hart return looks like. Really hard to predict. I would hope and expect he returns more than Alex Nedeljkovic (Bernier + 3rd), but does he return as much as Darcy Kuemper (Timmins + late 1st)?

 

[Rich Nixon]

I think they did pretty great here, but I'm more encouraged by the fact that there was some thought and effort put into this trade. Briere was able to bring in a second trade partner to make it work. He managed to make a cap-neutral (more or less), contract-neutral trade that brought in 4 future assets.

That's good work in my book, and as far as first trades go...I'm more optimistic about Briere helming this rebuild than I was this morning.