Confirmed with Link: Ivan Provorov traded to CBJ (via LA) - 1st, 2 2nds, Petersen, Walker, Grans to Philly

[deadhead]

Between the G and Provorov trades we got (2) 1st rd picks, (2) 2nd rd picks, 3rd rd, Tippett and Grans. Not a bad start.
Problem was we could have traded Risto and Sanheim and gotten two more 1st rd picks.
That's what happens when the FO can't decide if they're coming or going, which is why Scott, CF and the Advisors are history.

Fortunately, I think the new group has been totally sincere about rebuilding, and I expect a lot more moves this summer (and some next summer).

Hextall started out rebuilding, but the PO run in 2015-16 (driven by Mason, normalize Sv% and GF/GA 211/228) may have fooled him into thinking he didn't have to continue the process, and lottery luck reinforced that. Even the Schenn trade was balanced by the JVR signing.

2014-15:
Core players for a rebuild: B Schenn (23), Couts (22), Laughton (20), Cousins (21), Ghost (21), MDZ (24) - that was pretty much it.
Potential trade bait: G (27), Voracek (25), Simmons (26), Schultz (32), Read (28), Raffl (26), PEB (29), Mason (26)
Actual trade: Coburn (29), Kimmo, Grossman (30), L Schenn (25), Vinnie (34), Hartnell, McGinn, Rinaldo
Extended: AMac (28),

Hextall basically dumped guys on expiring contracts, but until the Schenn trade 3 years after he took over (after a disappointing 2016-17), he never made a trade like Provorov. Since he had been given carte blanche to start a rebuild, this suggests he didn't really see things that differently than Clarke/Holmgren, that he was focused more on "aggressively reloading" than actually rebuilding. He wasn't willing to take 3-5 years and build a team.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

TK is very tradable. Imagine being Couturier.......

19 pages in, and someone finally mentions Couturier.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

19 pages in, and someone finally mentions Couturier.

I think it's because he's just on-hold right now considering he hasn't played in a year. Same reason why I haven't even bothered mentioning Atkinsson.

 

[captainpaxil]

I think the grans kid might be a player. There's not a whole lot of sexy in this deal but enough pieces to add up

 

[bauer]

i had completely forgotten that Atkinson was still on this team. yeah, he needs to go too along with his buddy Hayes.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Fletcher's best trade was probably the Giroux trade - even though I hate his guts for so much pertaining to it, but that's the only trade I don't think we just lost...okay well Niskanen for Gudas was a push, but he retired right away so I'm calling it a meh.

I evaluate trades with a strong bias to the known information when the trade was made. Then I adjust for difficulty. Standard buy/sell DoG would be quite low. The Tkachuk trade would be basically the highest possible difficulty from Florida's angle.

There's nothing wrong with either approach, but it will give you different results.

 

[deadhead]

I evaluate trades with a strong bias to the known information when the trade was made. Then I adjust for difficulty. Standard buy/sell DoG would be quite low. The Tkachuk trade would be basically the highest possible difficulty from Florida's angle.

There's nothing wrong with either approach, but it will give you different results.

Yeah, you make trades ex ante, ex post everyone's a genius.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

i had completely forgotten that Atkinson was still on this team. yeah, he needs to go too along with his buddy Hayes.

Who is even in need of a top 6 RWer?

 

[freakydallas13]

You’re acting like my post that you first replied to and claimed “isn’t a little bit true” didn’t say the Lecavalier trade “was more about LA getting Luke Schenn.”

And his posts about how your Lecavalier take is incorrect? Are you going to comment on that at all, or are you going to ignore it?

 

[deadhead]

Atkinson has 37 ES (13 PP) goals in his last 173 games (prorates to 17 ES, 6 PP, 23 total), down from his peak.
1.85 pp/60 over that 3 year stretch (G was 1.89 over the same 3 years). 129th among forwards. Median 2nd line forward would be #144.

Atkinson at 100% is still a 2nd line RW. We'll see if he's 100% in TC.
A hot start could make him attractive trade bait, especially if Philly retains say $1.75M for 2 years (2yr/$8M for a 20+ goal scorer).

 

[bauer]

Who is even in need of a top 6 RWer?

don't know. hopefully Danny can work those phones and find some desperate team that would take him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, you make trades ex ante, ex post everyone's a genius.

Trading (2) 1sts, 3rd, 4th and a 27 goal scorer for two rentals isn't going "all-in"? What is then?
Tkachuk was different, that was value for value, so was Reinhart, 1st rd pick and top goalie prospect.

 

[Young Sandwich]

Just a PSA, I watched the first two episodes of the new season of that show and it's hysterical as predicted. Would recommend. Zip line guy skit is an all-timer.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Just a PSA, I watched the first two episodes of the new season of that show and it's hysterical as predicted. Would recommend. Zip line guy skit is an all-timer.

I prefer the cruisin crooner.

 

[Young Sandwich]

I prefer the cruisin crooner.

Tim Robinson is a national treasure

 

[Tripod]

At least since Fletch is gone and now this trade, my interest started to return. Not even having pick 5 did that last year. Hopefully we keep on the pick/prospect collection and have something to look forward to in the future.

 

[BernieParent]

I mean, who cares about the minute trade details from over 10 years ago???...lol

One would think that is a rhetorical question.

 

[Flyerfan13]

At least since Fletch is gone and now this trade, my interest started to return. Not even having pick 5 did that last year. Hopefully we keep on the pick/prospect collection and have something to look forward to in the future.

Same with me sadly for the first time ever I did not watch or go to a single game last year i had no interest at least a rebuild brings me some hope for the future.

 

[Tripod]

SN scout Jason Bukala's take on Grans:

I’ve always had time for Grans. He’s a rangy, 6-foot-3, 206-pound right shot defenceman who leans two-way "D". He’s the kind of prospect who projects to be used at even strength and the penalty kill. I don’t see Grans, a second-round pick from the 2020 draft, producing much offence at the NHL level.

Grans is reliable on and off the puck. His read/react game is sound. He absorbs contact in his zone while making outlets. His net front defending has room for improvement. He has an active stick. I describe him as a “bumper”. He isn’t an overly physical player despite his stature.

 

[WIP CALLER]

SN scout Jason Bukala's take on Grans:

I’ve always had time for Grans. He’s a rangy, 6-foot-3, 206-pound right shot defenceman who leans two-way "D". He’s the kind of prospect who projects to be used at even strength and the penalty kill. I don’t see Grans, a second-round pick from the 2020 draft, producing much offence at the NHL level.

Grans is reliable on and off the puck. His read/react game is sound. He absorbs contact in his zone while making outlets. His net front defending has room for improvement. He has an active stick. I describe him as a “bumper”. He isn’t an overly physical player despite his stature.

That description sounds a lot like Coburn which would be an asset to have. While it was frustrating that Coburn was not physical outside of the 1% of the time he'd randomly hulk out, he was a really solid middle pair defenseman for many years.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Just a PSA, I watched the first two episodes of the new season of that show and it's hysterical as predicted. Would recommend. Zip line guy skit is an all-timer.

It really is.

I went to Season 2 and I can't stop laughing at "Brian's Hat"

 

[VladDrag]

SN scout Jason Bukala's take on Grans:

I’ve always had time for Grans. He’s a rangy, 6-foot-3, 206-pound right shot defenceman who leans two-way "D". He’s the kind of prospect who projects to be used at even strength and the penalty kill. I don’t see Grans, a second-round pick from the 2020 draft, producing much offence at the NHL level.

Grans is reliable on and off the puck. His read/react game is sound. He absorbs contact in his zone while making outlets. His net front defending has room for improvement. He has an active stick. I describe him as a “bumper”. He isn’t an overly physical player despite his stature.

I know very little about Jason Bukala, other than what his elite prospects page says about him...With that being said, the things he called out about him is really a bunch of nothing to me. Being big, but not physical, better net front defending, active stick --- yada yada. It's all stereotypical defenseman speak. There's no substance to it. He's not answering the question -- what is impact to the game?

 

[deadhead]

Grans will only be 21 this year, probably still filling out, so the fact he isn't physical as a lanky 20 year old doesn't really concern me - check back in two years.
He's an upside gamble, hasn't put it together yet, but has been playing in men's leagues since he was 17.
So a little patience is probably in order.

 

[Cody Webster]

Between the G and Provorov trades we got (2) 1st rd picks, (2) 2nd rd picks, 3rd rd, Tippett and Grans. Not a bad start.
Problem was we could have traded Risto and Sanheim and gotten two more 1st rd picks.
That's what happens when the FO can't decide if they're coming or going, which is why Scott, CF and the Advisors are history.

Fortunately, I think the new group has been totally sincere about rebuilding, and I expect a lot more moves this summer (and some next summer).

Hextall started out rebuilding, but the PO run in 2015-16 (driven by Mason, normalize Sv% and GF/GA 211/228) may have fooled him into thinking he didn't have to continue the process, and lottery luck reinforced that. Even the Schenn trade was balanced by the JVR signing.

2014-15:
Core players for a rebuild: B Schenn (23), Couts (22), Laughton (20), Cousins (21), Ghost (21), MDZ (24) - that was pretty much it.
Potential trade bait: G (27), Voracek (25), Simmons (26), Schultz (32), Read (28), Raffl (26), PEB (29), Mason (26)
Actual trade: Coburn (29), Kimmo, Grossman (30), L Schenn (25), Vinnie (34), Hartnell, McGinn, Rinaldo
Extended: AMac (28),

Hextall basically dumped guys on expiring contracts, but until the Schenn trade 3 years after he took over (after a disappointing 2016-17), he never made a trade like Provorov. Since he had been given carte blanche to start a rebuild, this suggests he didn't really see things that differently than Clarke/Holmgren, that he was focused more on "aggressively reloading" than actually rebuilding. He wasn't willing to take 3-5 years and build a team.

Who in their right f***ing mind was trading a 1st for Risto? You are delusional.

Think of all those picks we could have had if we never traded for Risto...

 

[Tripod]

I know very little about Jason Bukala, other than what his elite prospects page says about him...With that being said, the things he called out about him is really a bunch of nothing to me. Being big, but not physical, better net front defending, active stick --- yada yada. It's all stereotypical defenseman speak. There's no substance to it. He's not answering the question -- what is impact to the game?

All I know is he scouts the U18 for SN and writes articles for them. The article I saw was general talk on all the pieces acquired by all teams. That could be by design to keep it simple for casual readers.