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I don’t see how success in another sport translates at all to any other.

Edgar Snyder has a great track record of not charging clients unless he wins money for them. Doesn’t mean I’d want him in charge of my real estate portfolio.
Baseball and hockey management have a lot of similarities despite how different the actual sports are.

With a few exceptions per year, drafted players in both sports take a few years to develop and reach the pro roster. They're the only sports with actual deep minor league systems run by the pro teams. They have far more international scouting and development than pro basketball and pro football.

Management structures for both sports end up fairly similar. The GM handles the overall franchise day to day while the coach handles the on-field/on-icd component. Basketball coaches tend to be far more involved in roster construction than NHL/MLB counterparts are, while NFL coaches actually do a lot of heavy lifting in that area, too.

If they were to go for Theo Epstein, it would be to build a front office while a more experienced hockey GM handles the day to day nuances of the sport.
 
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You can’t hire someone too green or they won’t stand up to king Sullivan.

I heard FSG is changing the name of the arena to Sullivan’s Ice Palace.

This sort of thinking can be applied to the coaching situation as well.

It's similar to the idiots who still defend Sullivan (and I'm not suggesting you are one of those) by demanding to know "who you gonna get to replace him, huh????". That's certainly a logical question, however:

If you mention a coach with NHL experience, the idiots will declare him a loser if he hasn't won a zillion Stanley Cups, if his team has ever lost in the playoffs, or if his team has ever failed to make the playoffs.

Then if you mention a new name, someone without NHL head coaching experiecnce, the idiots will simply insist "He'll just be Mike Johnston 2.0!!!!!".

By their idiocy, er I mean "logic", we can never fire King Sullivan because (according to them) all possible alternatives are 100% guaranteed to be worse.
 
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This sort of thinking can be applied to the coaching situation as well.

It's similar to the idiots who still defend Sullivan (and I'm not suggesting you are one of those) by demanding to know "who you gonna get to replace him, huh????". That's certainly a logical question, however:

If you mention a coach with NHL experience, the idiots will declare him a loser if he hasn't won a zillion Stanley Cups, if his team has ever lost in the playoffs, or if his team has ever failed to make the playoffs.

Then if you mention a new name, someone without NHL head coaching experiecnce, the idiots will simply insist "He'll just be Mike Johnston 2.0!!!!!".

By their idiocy, er I mean "logic", we can never fire King Sullivan because (according to them) all possible alternatives are 100% guaranteed to be worse.
You are right, but thankfully, the amount of Sullivan fanboys continue to shrink by the season.
 
The sound bites they are playing on the Fan from some press conference over the weekend with Mike Sullivan are super cringey. No adult should be answering questions the way he is and he has to go. Just horrible.

Blaming the media, trying to use analytics to explain why the PP didn't suck, saying Jarry didn't suck.
 
Baseball and hockey management have a lot of similarities despite how different the actual sports are.

With a few exceptions per year, drafted players in both sports take a few years to develop and reach the pro roster. They're the only sports with actual deep minor league systems run by the pro teams. They have far more international scouting and development than pro basketball and pro football.

Management structures for both sports end up fairly similar. The GM handles the overall franchise day to day while the coach handles the on-field/on-icd component. Basketball coaches tend to be far more involved in roster construction than NHL/MLB counterparts are, while NFL coaches actually do a lot of heavy lifting in that area, too.

If they were to go for Theo Epstein, it would be to build a front office while a more experienced hockey GM handles the day to day nuances of the sport.
I’m not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of baseball history, but didn’t Epstein wear out his welcome pretty quick from both Sox and Cubs fans? I mean, I know fans turn on management at the drop of a hat, but was he really some kind of savant baseball guru?
 
This sort of thinking can be applied to the coaching situation as well.

It's similar to the idiots who still defend Sullivan (and I'm not suggesting you are one of those) by demanding to know "who you gonna get to replace him, huh????". That's certainly a logical question, however:

If you mention a coach with NHL experience, the idiots will declare him a loser if he hasn't won a zillion Stanley Cups, if his team has ever lost in the playoffs, or if his team has ever failed to make the playoffs.

Then if you mention a new name, someone without NHL head coaching experiecnce, the idiots will simply insist "He'll just be Mike Johnston 2.0!!!!!".

By their idiocy, er I mean "logic", we can never fire King Sullivan because (according to them) all possible alternatives are 100% guaranteed to be worse.

Much like the Penguins playoff and now non-playoff woes the last five seasons... excuses can always be found if you look hard enough. This year is was like... bad puck luck and not getting to the blue paint enough or whatever according to the intrepid head coach. The year before it was injuries. Next year it will be because Mars was in retrograde or something equally asinine.
 
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The sound bites they are playing on the Fan from some press conference over the weekend with Mike Sullivan are super cringey. No adult should be answering questions the way he is and he has to go. Just horrible.

Blaming the media, trying to use analytics to explain why the PP didn't suck, saying Jarry didn't suck.
Every time Mike Sullivan opens his mouth anymore my hate for him grows. He honestly thinks he is the best coach in the world and bad luck is why the team has sucked for 4 years.
 
Every time Mike Sullivan opens his mouth anymore my hate for him grows. He honestly thinks he is the best coach in the world and bad luck is why the team has sucked for 4 years.

Everyone eventually gets irritated with the guy who always has shit blowing up in his face but continuously denies any wrongdoing or responsibility for it happening. Over... and over... and over... and...

EDIT: Wellllllll... MOST everyone evidently.
 
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I’m not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of baseball history, but didn’t Epstein wear out his welcome pretty quick from both Sox and Cubs fans? I mean, I know fans turn on management at the drop of a hat, but was he really some kind of savant baseball guru?
No. He was with each team for nine years. He was in charge of Boston when it finally won a World Series in 2004 and in 2007. He did temporarily resign between those years because of the stress and pressure, but he returned.

He moved to Chicago, spent a couple years rebuilding the team, and then the Cubs broke their own bad streak and won the World Series in 2016. He stepped down in 2020.

He's on the record as saying no team leader should stay in charge for more than 10 years, which is why he left Boston and Chicago after 9. It's a philosophy popularized in sports by former football coach Bill Walsh.
 
He’s the GM that keeps bringing back that core. You can’t trade Mattews, but you surely could move Marner or Nylander. The amount he paid his core guys was widely considered an overpayment at the time. He then handcuffed himself with the Tavares contract. He’s never fixed the ongoing goalie situation until this year because the guy he brought in to backup Murray is doing well. Even so, we’ll see how he holds up now that it matters.

They’ve been predicted to win 90% of their first round matchups in the last however many years. That should tell you how much they’ve underachieved.

I just don’t get feeling this strongly about defending Kyle Dubas.
Marner is arguably the best 2-way Forward in hockey at this point. He is relied on heavily in all situations and is super consistent. You'd be nuts to throw him away. He's not an overpayment. People who say that don't watch the Leafs. Over the long haul he's their MVP.
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Everyone just judges Matthews on goals, but he's also very much underrated away from the puck. How much less should he be earning?
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Nylander's another story. He's a slacker defensively. He's like Guentzel basically in terms of impact.
Managed 40 goals, 42 assists at 6.9 mil AAV though. I'm not keen on torching Dubas for keeping him.

Tavares has 354 points in 360 games as a Leaf. 155 goals.
Sure he's overpaid and for too long, but that ~2 mil AAV disparity or whatever in past years is not what's sinking the Leafs. People talk about him like he's worth half his AAV. Even this year 80 points.

Then you got Rielly making 7.5M. Seems totally fair?

All of these guys have been pretty durable as well, which is something people take for granted when assessing value.
There's nothing fundamentally flawed with this core. Ripping it apart is just change for the sake of change, while hoping that their replacements will do more over a 2 week period in the playoffs.
The core would have lower AAV's if they had a tax situation like Tampa.

I take big issue with the Murray trade like everyone else, but the majority of his moves make sense. He gets no credit for his good moves either, like Giordano at 800K x2 or getting Hyman for McKegg.
 
The sound bites they are playing on the Fan from some press conference over the weekend with Mike Sullivan are super cringey. No adult should be answering questions the way he is and he has to go. Just horrible.

Blaming the media, trying to use analytics to explain why the PP didn't suck, saying Jarry didn't suck.
His defense of the PP was hysterical…14th in the league and expected goals 3-5 in the league…so he basically defended the total lack of finishing of his club…Pens shooting % was 9.3%, 25th in the league…no ownership of any coaching failures on the PP either lol
 
His defense of the PP was hysterical…14th in the league and expected goals 3-5 in the league…so he basically defended the total lack of finishing of his club…Pens shooting % was 9.3%, 25th in the league…no ownership of any coaching failures on the PP either lol

He sounded like a mix of the Crazy Conspiracy Charlie meme and a belligerent spoiled child who was asked to explain the giant shit he coiled out on the rug... that he is now trying to talk you into ACTUALLY being a tasty brownie that he was kind enough to bake for you.
 
His defense of the PP was hysterical…14th in the league and expected goals 3-5 in the league…so he basically defended the total lack of finishing of his club…Pens shooting % was 9.3%, 25th in the league…no ownership of any coaching failures on the PP either lol
He doesn't want anyone to question his brilliant strategy of attempting slap-pass-redirects when Kris has the puck with a wide open lane to the net from 20 feet away.
 
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He doesn't want anyone to question his brilliant strategy of attempting slap-pass-redirects when Kris has the puck with a wide open lane to the net from 20 feet away.
It'll make my summer perk up if a new GM comes in and immediately axes him. I know that's fantasy but still a dream worth having.

Here's me as a GM:

"So Mike tell me what you've done these past 5 seasons to deserve another 4 years coaching the Pens?"

*mouth opens to speak*

"Thank you for your service and good luck on your next coaching endeavor. If you'll excuse me I need to clean up the mess you've helped make"
 
People do understand that tweet was saying they might look at someone like Theo Epstein. They aren’t going to hire someone from MLB to come run hockey operations lol. They mean someone with that sort of analytical mentality and mindset. They don’t mean Theo Epstein himself lmao
 
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People do understand that tweet was saying they might look at someone like Theo Epstein. They aren’t going to hire someone from MLB to come run hockey operations lol. They mean someone with that sort of analytical mentality and mindset. They don’t mean Theo Epstein himself lmao
I listened to 32 Thoughts when they were talking about this and your interpretation is spot on.
 
People do understand that tweet was saying they might look at someone like Theo Epstein. They aren’t going to hire someone from MLB to come run hockey operations lol. They mean someone with that sort of analytical mentality and mindset. They don’t mean Theo Epstein himself lmao

No. They 100% said Epstein himself coming along with Greenberg.

I listened to 32 Thoughts when they were talking about this and your interpretation is spot on.

False. Friedman specifically mentioned him as a potential individual to come over with Greenberg because of the relationship with FSG and the fact Greenberg’s hat was in for the Chicago job.
 
No. They 100% said Epstein himself coming along with Greenberg.



False. Friedman specifically mentioned him as a potential individual to come over with Greenberg because of the relationship with FSG and the fact Greenberg’s hat was in for the Chicago job.

I'm just excited we might get someone's hat as a GM. Hopefully, the hat is more animated than Hextall.
 
When thinking about the next prospective GM... take into consideration that he's gonna have to be the kinda guy that is fine sitting there in the trenches taking grenades with a smile on his face for dumb shit his head coach is 100% responsible for.
 
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