Confirmed with Link: It's Started! (Management firings)

[Al Smith]

Can't wait to draft the next ZAR.

Won't need to do that. Going to trade picks for ex-NHL'ers laboring in the AHL who play the game right.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Yohe just sounds bitter because Hextall never gave him any crumbs. He gets good soundbites from Sullivan so wont dare speak ill against him.

Yohivan>>>>>>>>>Rosmlya in terms of hot NSFW bromance fan fic stories.

 

[TKalltheTime]

I can’t believe we will still have to look at this dip-shit for another 82 games…

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just watch, the team will make the conference finals next year on the backs of the core/better goaltending and Sullivan will cement his job for the next decade.

I would be shocked to see them win another playoff round in the Crosby era.

 

[SEALBound]

This is the bad part of the scenario.

As KIRK says - who the f*** wants to be the Pens GM? The end of the era and only to get shit on in a rebuild? A GOOD GM who is desirable will want full control and that could mean firing Sully.

Whoever accepts this job is going to be a yes man with almost no power. That is going to be the problem and why you have to take this to the next level.

With ALL due respect...I think you and KIRK are out to f***ing lunch on this take. There are 32 NHL GMs in the world. Some GMs stay for decades. Opening are exceedingly rare, let alone for organizations like the Penguins with ownership like FSG. Regardless of where the team is in the standings, it will be a highly coveted job and no shortage of quality candidates wanting to apply or interview.

FSG is having their press conference now. Dave Beeston just said that he has been asked by FSG to oversee the Penguins more, so it looks like he'll be the new "oversight" reporting to FSG.

Good. I think they were on autopilot for the season until they were in trouble of missing.

I did like the comments about Mario. One thing that they would be wise to do is have him come and give his input. When they shitcanned Shero, Mario indicated they wanted to get speedier and more skilled. They did and they won B2B with that directive. Mario sees things in the game and can provide invaluable intel on what may work going forward.

They said what they needed to say about Sullivan.

The new GM will come in and evaluate. Doesn't make much sense to say "Mike Sullivan will be fire too....but before that, he has to help find his replacements".

Make sense they speak highly of him. Why wouldn't they at this point in time?

There's nothing that was said that makes me think Sullivan is a shoo-in for next year. You can't miss 5 in a row and then fail to make it and not bear ANY responsibility. That was like the first thing said. So I will remain hopeful that the new GM still fire him. Again, exact same thing happened with Bylsma.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If the new FO doesn't replace Sully upon arrival, that'd be a shame. I highly doubt it happens, and replacing the incompetent FO that's been in place is a very good start, but more needs to be done.

Even if the new FO (and hopefully scouting dept) comes in and has all the right answers and makes all the right decisions, we're probably still looking at a full season of changes to sort this roster out. It's not gonna be a quick fix to replace an entire bottom-6, a scoring line winger for Geno, try and reshape the blueline as best you can with guys already locked into deals, and find at least one new goalie, arguably two.

 

[Pens x]

There is a lot that happens at the end of the season involving player evaluations and preparing players for summer training/workouts/rehab.

Sullivan is basically the only remaining individual in hockey ops with the ability to do that. Andy Saucier, who was a video coach two years ago, certainly isn't.

I don't think he's going to be fired, and people can be upset about that, but this notion that he's puppeteering anything and leading the GM search is over the top.

I think you are underestimating what his role will be in the GM search. None of us know what his involvement will be, but very few other coaches would have any say in who the next GM is. Certainly not one coming off such a horrendous season.

 

[K Fleur]

I saw a Freddie Gaudreau mention in here.

Better player right now than just about every dork we’ve tried in our bottom 6 center spots the last 2 years.

 

[Pancakes]

I would be shocked to see them win another playoff round in the Crosby era.

Really? I don't see any reason why we can't. Our underlying numbers remained strong this year with terrible depth.

Not hard to imagine a new GM fixing that and us winning a round.

Even Sully - bad as he is - has come close to winning a round as recently as last year

 

[Trade]

 

[Malkinstheman]

Went digging on what was said about Bylsma after Shero's firing:

"That's why we didn't fire him," Lemieux told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "He's a good coach. You look at his record in the regular season, in the playoffs. If he was fired today, there'd be a lot of teams lined up for him. He's done a lot of good things for the organization and he's been a great asset. A new GM will come in, evaluate the hockey operation, and we'll go from there."



I might be too optimistic but these statements arent super far off from what FSG said. Granted, FSG was alot more positive about Sullivan than Lemieux about Bylsma. Lets just see what the next GM does I guess.

 

[Extra Texture]

Another unexpected benefit of letting Sullivan start the season, and then sucking so bad he has to be canned? The patented Penguins mid-season bounce.

I dont want to waste that shit. It's a fine vintage. I want to load up in the offseason, look depressingly bad for 30 games, can the old man, and then take advantage of that sweet sweet bump like nitrous oxide into the engine.

Okay, I'll put down the bottle now.

Edit; DERP, nevermind, I just read that quote. We're f***ed

I heard Yohe report Hextall was responsible for the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

If that's the case, then Sully was the man behind the prequals. And Jar Jar is PP coach. And "sticktoitiveness" is just another word for midichlorian count

 

[K Fleur]

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Dude on the left looks like a Bond villain.

 

[GregR]

Yohe just sounds bitter because Hextall never gave him any crumbs. He gets good soundbites from Sullivan so wont dare speak ill against him.

Also all the Pens media had to do was get Rutherford on the phone and he'd spill his entire strategy for whatever was going on while Hextall played it much tighter.

 

[LOGiK]

With ALL due respect...I think you and KIRK are out to f***ing lunch on this take. There are 32 NHL GMs in the world. Some GMs stay for decades. Opening are exceedingly rare, let alone for organizations like the Penguins with ownership like FSG. Regardless of where the team is in the standings, it will be a highly coveted job and no shortage of quality candidates wanting to apply or interview.

I don't see the point with that? NHL is a company of course there are few GM's. There are many sports companies. Many thousands of GM's the world over. Ever play football manager or an NHL manager? *virtually anyone can do it*

 

[Ugene Magic]

 

[molon labe]

The negativity over the past month has been... well....toxic.

So glad to see these clowns go. Do I personally want more? Yes. I've been making calls for more than 2 years now on needs of this team that are flat out shared by many- just not in the org. Jay's comments the other night about our teams inability to play in the league as it stands and the outright lack of toughness needs to be shouted from a rooftop. We've been soy boys since Hornqvist got dealt. Said it the day he left that we had no chance at winning tough to score games and we never replaced it. Been talking goaltending for 2 years now. What the F? Jarry CDS suck. Have sucked. Will suck. But omg he injured his way into the ASG were gudder now.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Odds that the new GM will/can fire Sullivan?

 

[Gurglesons]

it's kinda funny how the fanbase is eating this up.

such fools.

 

[eXile3]

Really? I don't see any reason why we can't. Our underlying numbers remained strong this year with terrible depth.

Not hard to imagine a new GM fixing that and us winning a round.

Even Sully - bad as he is - has come close to winning a round as recently as last year

He did but when your start seeing players like McCann and Kap excel once they get away from him it has to make you wonder.

 

[bathroomSTAAL]

it's kinda funny how the fanbase is eating this up.

such fools.

Yeah, so funny how people are happy that a demonstrably incompetent management team has been cleaned out. If they were REAL fans they'd still be miserable like you

 

[SEALBound]

Went digging on what was said about Bylsma after Shero's firing:

"That's why we didn't fire him," Lemieux told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "He's a good coach. You look at his record in the regular season, in the playoffs. If he was fired today, there'd be a lot of teams lined up for him. He's done a lot of good things for the organization and he's been a great asset. A new GM will come in, evaluate the hockey operation, and we'll go from there."



I might be too optimistic but these statements arent super far off from what FSG said. Granted, FSG was alot more positive about Sullivan than Lemieux about Bylsma. Lets just see what the next GM does I guess.

Doesn't matter how many times we point out stuff like that. People are going to hear what they want to here. People love pain and misery, especially when it's self-inflicted over ultimately meaningless stuff.

I don't see the point with that? NHL is a company of course there are few GM's. There are many sports companies. Many thousands of GM's the world over. Ever play football manager or an NHL manager? *virtually anyone can do it*

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and disagree. The NHL is the gold standard league. Any job where there's only 32 of you in the world, that's a very select group of capable people.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, so funny how people are happy that a demonstrably incompetent management team has been cleaned out. If they were REAL fans they'd still be miserable like you

What exactly has changed?

 

[bathroomSTAAL]

What exactly has changed?

They fired the president of hockey ops, the general manager, and assistant general manager

 

[Malkinstheman]

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This doesnt sound great but this was in response to being asked if they think Sullivan will be the coach heading into next season. I guess its good that they didnt just straight up say hes not going anywhere? I dont know lol, trying to stay hopeful that he will gone in the next year.