Confirmed with Link: It's Started! (Management firings)

[Gurglesons]

They fired the president of hockey ops, the general manager, and assistant general manager

And what does that change?

We have the same coach who is clearly having a HUGE influence on this squad both on the ice and off.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Who was the one who decided Robo Pigeon was a good idea?

I'm first....

 

[molon labe]

it's kinda funny how the fanbase is eating this up.

such fools.

Been out a while. Are you a supporter of anyone in the FO? Or when good things happen do you just gravitate to the very next bad thing on the list?

Get a raise. Yeah well it's not enough! Vacation. Well the weather isn't f***ing perfect! Charity event: well world hunger still exists you idiots!!! Like good God read a book and find some chill. Pretty much everyone here wants sully gone. But, you gotta start somewhere. Personally I'd have fired Sully the day after he missed the playoffs (if not 3 years ago) and the FO today, but- they did it this way so we'll see.

 

[bathroomSTAAL]

And what does that change?

We have the same coach who is clearly having a HUGE influence on this squad both on the ice and off.

I'm not gonna explain to you what is changed by firing the entire hockey ops department. Have a good one

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

At least six years now.

count again

 

[Gurglesons]

Been out a while. Are you a supporter of anyone in the FO? Or when good things happen do you just gravitate to the very next bad thing on the list?

Get a raise. Yeah well it's not enough! Vacation. Well the weather isn't f***ing perfect! Charity event: well world hunger still exists you idiots!!! Like good God read a book and find some chill. Pretty much everyone here wants sully gone. But, you gotta start somewhere. Personally I'd have fired Sully the day after he missed the playoffs (if not 3 years ago) and the FO today, but- they did it this way so we'll see.

I'm not gonna explain to you what is changed by firing the entire hockey ops department. Have a good one

I guess when I see players like Daniel Sprong, Phil Kessel, Kasperi Kapanen, Jared McCann and Evan Rodrigues all moved due to issues with the coaching staff it makes it hard for me to blame the management staff for poor asset utilization.

 

[LOGiK]

Doesn't matter how many times we point out stuff like that. People are going to hear what they want to here. People love pain and misery, especially when it's self-inflicted over ultimately meaningless stuff.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and disagree. The NHL is the gold standard league. Any job where there's only 32 of you in the world, that's a very select group of capable people.

Job is a job. GM... coach... manager...
Just because it is inside the NHL doesn't make it any more elite than any other sport GM.

How can you say gold standard when there has been more than a few horrible GM's? Kind of self defeating statement?

Either way, respectfully disagree.
Not on board with the cole / kirk nobody wants it take either.

 

[Pancakes]

He did but when your start seeing players like McCann and Kap excel once they get away from him it has to make you wonder.

McCann was good here too.

But yeah, Sully stinks, no argument from me on that. I just think we still have a roster that with the right moves could do some things.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think it's a step in the right direction, but I get why people are cynical given how Sullivan is dug in like a tick and he's the definition of inflexible.

 

[Terrapin]

I'm not gonna explain to you what is changed by firing the entire hockey ops department. Have a good one

This is great and all. But Sully is the problem. Why was JR always 'chasing it'? He'd bring in solid players, those players were either misused or couldn't adapt to Sully's 'system', so he'd make more trades. Enter Hextall who is a complete buffoon. What was his and Burke's stated goal though when they started? To make the team bigger and tougher to play against. Yet they made it smaller and easier to play against.

Point is, did JR, Hex, and Burke all change their minds on how to build a team, or were they left little choice because the types of players Sully covets?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Coach Sullivan will assist the transition by helping pick an even more clueless GM who will allow him to remain coach here as long as he wants. Yippee!

Welcome coach Craig Adams!

 

[Slaaapshuter]

Im not shocked to see both them go. Also not shocked to see Sully stay and be involved in the hiring process. Sully and Hex were not on the same page at all. Hopefully whoever is brought in is and they bring in players Sully will utilize properly.

Already happened under Jr and Hextall, two GM's. Did you like the results?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah, it's fine if you think Sullivan deserves one more mulligan, I guess? But people gotta own the fact that multiple GMs have remade the team per his input and this is what we got. Jankowski and Granlund.

 

[TKalltheTime]

Odds that the new GM will/can fire Sullivan?

I’d put it at a 30/70%… 30% he’s gone 70% he stays. Sadly.

 

[Gurglesons]

This is great and all. But Sully is the problem. Why was JR always 'chasing it'? He'd bring in solid players, those players were either misused or couldn't adapt to Sully's 'system', so he'd make more trades. Enter Hextall who is a complete buffoon. What was his and Burke's stated goal though when they started? To make the team bigger and tougher to play against. Yet they made it smaller and easier to play against.

Point is, did JR, Hex, and Burke all change their minds on how to build a team, or were they left little choice because the types of players Sully covets?

You have to leave the forum.

"I'll say this, and I typically don't make empty rage comments. If we lose this game, and Sully and Hextall aren't immediately fired on Friday, I'm 100% done with this team." - Terrapin

 

[Slaaapshuter]

As an aside, I find it fascinating that fans jump between "Hextall ruined this terrific team with his horrible moves" and "Sullivan hasn't had the pieces he needs to have success". Especially because the 2 playoff series with Hextall were substantially more competitive than the last 2 playoff series with JR.

This "great team" that Hextall ruined lost in the qualifying round to Montreal and got swept by the Islanders in the two previous years. But apparently that wasn't Sullivan's fault, he just needs a better team around him!

Just wait until poor little Sully wully gets a roster of 22 future HOFERs, then he'll win a playoff round. You'll see, you'll see!

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is great and all. But Sully is the problem. Why was JR always 'chasing it'? He'd bring in solid players, those players were either misused or couldn't adapt to Sully's 'system', so he'd make more trades. Enter Hextall who is a complete buffoon. What was his and Burke's stated goal though when they started? To make the team bigger and tougher to play against. Yet they made it smaller and easier to play against.

Point is, did JR, Hex, and Burke all change their minds on how to build a team, or were they left little choice because the types of players Sully covets?

This is the most "broken clock is right twice a day" post I've ever seen on this website.

 

[Gurglesons]

Welcome coach Craig Adams!

Mike Sullivan is Craig Adams?

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Who cares about 1st rounders the next few years, ship it all and get it. Once the core is gone we likely aren't sniffing a Final for 10-15 years

Ownership did say that today. Win now, not later. If a different mandate was relayed before it was up to Hextall to tell them what was realistic!

I think our new GM let’s Sullivan go. No matter what is being said for business reasons, they can’t possibly take the third time is a charm route. He’s blown up two GM’s so far: if the new GM keeps him then they both deserve to go.

Here is the thing…
The type of team to build is up to the GM. Coach needs to be able to coach type of team built.

Either GM builds a team that suits Sully’s skills or replaces Sully. Not complicated.

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What do you expect ownership to say?

Say we hate Sully? Then how would the new GM make an independent decision?

 

[Jacob]

They’ll probably just hire one of the Bruins assistant GMs. Or Gorton.

 

[66-30-33]

They’ll probably just hire one of the Bruins assistant GMs. Or Gorton.

Whoever they hire will probably be an idiot. Sullivan is helping afterall...

 

[canadianguy77]

What do you expect ownership to say?

Say we hate Sully? Then how would the new GM make an independent decision?

I think most were hoping the the entire thing would be scrapped including the coaching staff and are disappointed that it didn't happen yet. I think people are also fearful that the new GM will kowtow to Sullivan and this is all just a giant waste of time.

 

[Will Hunting]

Not gonna defend Sullivan, he should be gone too. There were two murders here, at least the main one is gone. And I said that Hextall was responsible for more than 50% of the damage here. He SUCKS and should never get the hockey job again. He probably never will.

I would fire him without shaking his hand, telling him the truth that he ruined it here and wish him nothing. I would still shake Sullivan´s hand while firing him too. Don´t forget, it was Ron Hextall who gave Sullivan this awful limiting extension two years before his contract was done!! I have never seen the coach extended two years before their contract ended. All of that after 1st round exit. Hextall will be remembered as the worst GM in Penguins history. Probably one of the worst in hockey. Ever.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hey look, the team in the same exact situation as the Penguins isn't just keeping around their coach just out of loyalty.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

Open for all:

Avatar/Username bet that once village idiot Sullivan finally leaves Pens he will NEVER be successful in the NHL again, just like Bylsma.

Which one of you Sullivan fans are up to the challenge? Put your fake internet money where your mouth is.