Confirmed with Link: It's Started! (Management firings)

[canadianguy77]

Not only does he not have the authority to override Sullivan's lineup decisions, that's also nothing compared to actual disaster moves that GMs have made.

You fire the coach if he's not listening to you when you're the GM. If you don't have the fortitude to do that, you don't belong at the helm.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

That was not me saying Hextall did a good job. He was terrible. I just meant that he didn't have nearly as large of a negative impact as the true worst GMs in hockey history, just because he didn't make that many big moves.

He was consistently bad, but you don't ruin a franchise by giving out a 2 year contract to Jeff Carter.



I think you really need to look at the bad moves other teams make before you act like Hextall's tenure was "disastrous".

Signing Carter to a 2 year deal instead of a 1 year deal pales in comparison to giving a terrible JJ 5 years. Trading a 2nd for a declining Granlund making $5 million a year is nothing compared to trading Naslund for Stojanov. He was consistently making bad moves, but the scale of those moves weren't even close to big enough to land him in the "worst GM of all time" category.

I agree, since Hextall most of the time did nothing, how could he have ruined anything? JR regulary lost his temper and patience with Sullivan and took his toys away, Hextall did so little he didn't even bother with that.

My guess is Sullivan and his legendary status in the org despite being an idiot eventually drove JR to insanity.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I mean this is just a bad way to judge things though, because if the bar for what's disastrous involves other GMs, then yeah every GM in the league looks like a genius compared to what has gone on in Vancouver or Philly the past 5-10 years.

Hextall isn't close to the worst GM of all time, I agree there, but man was he bad.

Now we move on and see if a new gm does better and if it even matters with Sullivan at the helm

I was initially replying to a post that said Hextall was the worst GM in Penguins history and may end up as worst GM of all time. That was the entire context of my post.

You fire the coach if he's not listening to you when you're the GM. If you don't have the fortitude to do that, you don't belong at the helm.

Why are you assuming that Hextall had the authority to fire Sullivan? I pretty much promise you that he didn't.

I agree, since Hextall most of the time did nothing, how could he have ruined anything? JR regulary lost his temper and patience with Sullivan and took his toys away, Hextall did so little he didn't even bother with that.

My guess is Sullivan and his legendary status in the org despite being an idiot eventually drove JR to insanity.

People on here called Hextall "sleepy" because of how inactive he was. How was he simultaneously doing nothing to the team but also making big enough moves to ruin the team going forward? That makes literally no sense.

In reality, Hextall was a bad GM who mostly just did small moves that mostly didn't pan out well. He kept together a majority of the roster he was left with when JR quit and just nibbled at that roster. He was a consistent failure, but his moves were way too small to have any sort of lasting impact on the team.

JR's last 4 years as Penguins GM, though? That's the kind of damage that lasts well beyond when you've left. The Penguins will be able to entirely move on from the Hextall's era if they can just get out of Granlund's deal this off-season, but they're still feeling the impacts of JR's last few years.

 

[Pancakes]

I was initially replying to a post that said Hextall was the worst GM in Penguins history and may end up as worst GM of all time. That was the entire context of my post.

Fair enough.

On a sidenote, the more I think about Debrincat the more I'm warming to the idea. While he is small and one dimensional, he does do one thing that we really suck at (finish). Letting Zucker go and bringing him in might not be the worst idea if we decide to move that pick.

 

[Turin]

Yeah, it's fine if you think Sullivan deserves one more mulligan, I guess? But people gotta own the fact that multiple GMs have remade the team per his input and this is what we got. Jankowski and Granlund.

I don't think Sullivan pushed for Granlund

 

[BusinessGoose]

Even the blues released their assistant coaches

Our cadre remains steadfast though

Best PK and PP in the league would never get us to question them

 

[canadianguy77]

I was initially replying to a post that said Hextall was the worst GM in Penguins history and may end up as worst GM of all time. That was the entire context of my post.



Why are you assuming that Hextall had the authority to fire Sullivan? I pretty much promise you that he didn't.



People on here called Hextall "sleepy" because of how inactive he was. How was he simultaneously doing nothing to the team but also making big enough moves to ruin the team going forward? That makes literally no sense.

In reality, Hextall was a bad GM who mostly just did small moves that mostly didn't pan out well. He kept together a majority of the roster he was left with when JR quit and just nibbled at that roster.

Why would you even stay in the job then? Have some integrity and step down.
Your scenario paints him in an even more unflattering light. Makes him sound like a spineless coward.

 

[Pancakes]

Even the blues released their assistant coaches

Our cadre remains steadfast though

Best PK and PP in the league would never get us to question them

The next GM will make that decision.

 

[SomeDude]

Every Penguins fan today

 

[Turin]

Already happened under Jr and Hextall, two GM's. Did you like the results?

I don't believe for a second that Hextall tailor made the roster to suit Sullivan (not saying anybody should do that for any coach, exactly).

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Mike Sullivan is Craig Adams?

Meant GM...I have weekend brain.

Even if they are essentially the same person.

 

[66-30-33]

Fair enough.

On a sidenote, the more I think about Debrincat the more I'm warming to the idea. While he is small and one dimensional, he does do one thing that we really suck at (finish). Letting Zucker go and bringing him in might not be the worst idea if we decide to move that pick.

Jake-Crosby-Rakell/X
DeBrincat-Malkin-X/Rakell
Now to find someone for RW for the top 6 and Rust on another team.

 

[Terrapin]

You have to leave the forum.

"I'll say this, and I typically don't make empty rage comments. If we lose this game, and Sully and Hextall aren't immediately fired on Friday, I'm 100% done with this team." - Terrapin

First of all, worry about yourself, douche. No wonder people here can't stand you.
Secondly, being 'done with' the team and posting on a message board are two different things.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I don't think Sullivan pushed for Granlund

No, but he was the one who tried to make a defensive winger out of him.

 

[Jacob]

Van Ryn strikes me as a bright guy. Not as a head coach but if we’re overhauling the whole staff he might make a good assistant, or even a head coach for WB/S.

 

[Rave7215]

Why would you even stay in the job then? Have some integrity and step down.
Your scenario paints him in an even more unflattering light. Makes him sound like a spineless coward.

Because he was paid $3.5 million dollars a year. Dude, come on. What reality are you living in that you think someone is going to give up that paycheck because they can't fire the coach?

 

[canadianguy77]

Van Ryn strikes me as a bright guy. Not as a head coach but if we’re overhauling the whole staff he might make a good assistant, or even a head coach for WB/S.

Rand Pecknold? Turned Quinnipiac into a powerhouse and it was a program in the doldrums when he took over. New England guy too.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Stage is set for a fresh start. I am absolutely not worried regarding Sullivan at this point. If the new GM decides he'll keep Sullivan, FSG won't be sad about this. If the new GM decides he wants a new HC, it will happen. Only thing I am worried about - FSG going with a "proven" guy like Chiarelli as an example.

 

[Josey Wales]

I don't think Sullivan pushed for Granlund

Yohe said Hextall's Buddy an Asst GM did

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

MULTIPASS!

 

[Jacob]

Rand Pecknold? Turned Quinnipiac into a powerhouse and it was a program in the doldrums when he took over. New England guy too.

Never heard of him but I was just thinking of how Quinnipiac was like unheard of as far as hockey programs and now it’s churning out NHLers.

 

[canadianguy77]

Because he was paid $3.5 million dollars a year. Dude, come on. What reality are you living in that you think someone is going to give up that paycheck because they can't fire the coach?

Are you telling me that Ron Hextall isn't already rich? Come on man.

He was a former player. And one of the most colorful and egotistical goalies to ever play the game. If he lost all that competitive juice and is willing to take marching orders from Mike Sullivan, then he had no business being our GM in the first place.

 

[Jobeycool]

Does anyone know what Burke did on a day to day basis? Why do you care that he was fired? I’m pretty sure the next GM will be able to handle press conference unlike coward Hextall, thereby making Burke completely unnecessary.

I think coaches become stale when they are around to long, I see this happening with Tomlin at some point in the future as well.. My 2 cents worth with this goofy team anyways after these debacles going on.

 

[Rave7215]

Are you telling me that Ron Hextall isn't already rich? Come on man.

He was a former player. And one of the most colorful and egotistical goalies to ever play the game. If he lost all that competitive juice and is willing to take marching orders from Mike Sullivan, then he had no business being our GM in the first place.

How much do you think they paid hockey players back then? What makes you think he is rich? Regardless, $3.5 million is $3.5 million.

Who says he lost his competitive juices? He clearly was trying it just didn't work. The mandate for the GM when he came in was Sullivan was the coach. You've never taken a job with a restriction before?

Seriously sit back and think about it. I can't stand Sullivan but if you gave me a job, one of only 32 in the world, and the stipulation is you can't fire the coach, I'm taking it. Because I'm competitive and I'm in this position because I can do it.

Everything you are saying isn't reality my man. No one is turning down that kind of money and prestige position.

 

[Hazed Yoshi]

Is it absolutely confirmed Sully will be here next season?

If so, these changes are as useless as a comb for Dr Evil's head.

As much as I like Sullivan he needs to go. Scrolling through these pages it's pretty damn evident I am not the only one who thinks so. Personally I think his fall from grace has been cringe to witness. It was on a complete different level when he arrived.

It was refreshing to see how he implemented his own stuff very quickly and got the absolute max out of everyone, they were really running through brick walls for him. But it has spiralled out of control to some of the most pathetic stuff I've seen. Hurts for me to say as I like him so much but it's painful how they are not putting him out of his misery.

After the back to back cups, below are some of "Sully's greatest hits''

• Eliminated twice in the first round against Islanders...
• Last years pathetic disaster against the Rangers..
• Eliminated against the Habs in "qualifying round"
• Failing to qualify for the Stanley Cup first time in 16 years for the org..

And honest to god, as bad as the season has been nothing could have summed up our year more picture perfect than getting pissed on by the god damn Blackhawks at home when cup qualification was on the line...

Sullivan should be fired... Out of a cannon... Into a pool of acid..