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FSG are all about analytics, doubt they would get the other guys to bother with that guy. Maybe that Carolina guy @Gurglesons told me about.
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Jacob
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Absolutely. Sullivan is not a bad coach. And he’s probably going to have success elsewhere, unlike Bylsma.
Sidney the Kidney
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So the Caps let Laviolette go, but we keep Sullivan.
When did the Caps surpass the Pens in terms of organizations that seem to want to make actual improvements and changes?
When did the Caps surpass the Pens in terms of organizations that seem to want to make actual improvements and changes?
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I fundamentally disagree with you on this. The GM is supposed to put the stamp on their team. If they're not allowed to even do that because the head coach is really the boss, then what are they paying the GM for?
Lavy hasn't won shit with the Caps. Getting rid of him is a lot easier than getting rid of a two time cup winning coach.
SomeDude
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They had Miroshnichenko fall on their laps, wisely decided to sell at the deadline, fired their coach. They're lapping us in the race to the next era.
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Why is it difficult? Did Sullivan win those Cups within the last couple of seasons?
I just don't get this. When does Sullivan's "Cup free pass" end? His team hasn't won a first round series since 2018. Exactly how much better has Sullivan been since 2019 and beyond than Laviolette to give him this sort of leeway?
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wasting your time & Breath, 75% of the board think Sullivan is Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin & Satan all wrapped on in one adult
Jacob
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One thing is if we do fire Sullivan I don’t want Laviolette. Good coach, but far too similar to Sullivan.
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I'm not convinced. We've gone away from everything that made us successful in 2016 and it's more Sully's fault than our rosters'. I'm guessing that he thinks the current system is better than the 2016 one.
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I think Sullivan is a legitimately great coach, he's just gotten way too comfortable here and doesn't feel the need to experiment anymore. Put him in an uncomfortable position (like with a new job or a ton of injuries) and he can make really bold and shrewd decisions that really help the team. He's just way too comfortable with where he's at right now.
I think he needs to be put on the hot seat and be explicitly told that another 1st round loss will get him fired. He's too comfortable with his job so he doesn't take risks anymore.
I think he needs to be put on the hot seat and be explicitly told that another 1st round loss will get him fired. He's too comfortable with his job so he doesn't take risks anymore.
HAH .. Jared McCann 40 goals 30 assist 70 point season... Team was dumb before Hextall and Burke..
Jacob
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Like team speed? The rest of the league just copied and caught up to us. And now our core is in their late 30s.
We would be having a different conversation if we drafted even just a little better. More and better young players, even just a few, to help offset the decline of our stars and doing so on cheap ELCs or bargain bridge deals.
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Based on what, though? He was a mediocre coach his first tenure with Boston, and he's been a mediocre coach outside of our back to back years.
Like, I don't think he's drooling and eating glue levels of dumb, but I'm also not seeing what people see in him to think he's actually a great coach who is simply comfortable. Part of being a great coach is SEEING what's causing your team to struggle and making the appropriate changes to adapt and fix it. Simply understanding X's and O's doesn't make someone a great coach.
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No, we have played a completely different system since 2017/18. Even the cup in 2017 was a different system. It's not JUST that sully can't adjust, he's not even doing the thing that made us successful. Our guys are slower, but we play a passive system now when it used to be systematically assertive and proactive.
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Laviolette sucks ass. f*** retreads and going through the same handful of recycled coaches.
Get someone new. Get someone who hasn't been around the NHL long enough to be tempered in the kiln of "play 'em to a draw, creativity and flow is bad" bullshit.
Can't deny the part the next chapter is gonna play either. Don't get somebody who is afraid to play youth and give players the chance to excel. Let 'em play through growing pains. Like Marty St. Louis said; show me your ceiling, we can coach up the fundamentals.
Get someone new. Get someone who hasn't been around the NHL long enough to be tempered in the kiln of "play 'em to a draw, creativity and flow is bad" bullshit.
Can't deny the part the next chapter is gonna play either. Don't get somebody who is afraid to play youth and give players the chance to excel. Let 'em play through growing pains. Like Marty St. Louis said; show me your ceiling, we can coach up the fundamentals.
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Hextall and Burke are the ones who gave him away so we could keep Jeff Carter
Empoleon8771
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That's a pretty massive thing to ommit, though.
He has shown time and time again that he really knows how to get this team to click when faced with adversity. Winning the cup without Letang, their performance without Malkin in 2021-2022 and their performance without Crosby in 2019-2020 are just a few examples I can think of immediately. Sullivan clearly is capable of making bold decisions that help the team. He just won't do it when the team is healthy. When he's actually forced to make decisions, he tends to make really good ones.
Sullivan's problem is that he's stubborn and won't stray from his main idea when the team is healthy. When the team is healthy and he can't just default to that idea, that's when he shows his true coaching talents.
And Sullivan was the one healthy scratching him in the playoffs and playing him with crap in the bottom-6.
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Sullivan is 1. a better coach than Lavi on the whole and 2. has way, way more years left on his contract than Laviolette's 0.
Jacob
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I just don’t see it. Teams play us differently, and can match our speed better, is how I’ve seen it.
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Run scouting, business operations, manage the draft, draw up contacts, work with agents, etc. etc.
The GM handles more than just the team on the ice and the coach. Ultimately, their duties are as ownership describes them, to which we will never have specifics. For certain, it is more than what you listed. You can disagree with me all you want but you're wrong on this one.
The Kraken have every single young talented Penguins forwards to outstanding hockey? coaching ?
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I feel like when he came in, he just took off the reigns MJ imposed and let the players play. If you go back and watch that half season and playoffs, it was very chaotic. Not a lot of structure. It was basically high-pressure, man-on-man defense, and it led to a lot of turnovers and odd man-rushes going the other way. It was basically the bread and butter of their offense.
Starting in 2017-18, it was a very different brand of hockey.
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This just isn't accurate. It only looks like that because Hagelin, Kessel and Sheary and a young Rust are not on the team anymore. I'm not saying the system hasn't seen tweaks here and there - but there was no wholesale change to "the system" in 2018 that continues to this day.
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