Confirmed with Link: It's Started! (Management firings)

[Andy99]

Ownership did say that today. Win now, not later. If a different mandate was relayed before it was up to Hextall to tell them what was realistic!


Here is the thing…
The type of team to build is up to the GM. Coach needs to be able to coach type of team built.

Either GM builds a team that suits Sully’s skills or replaces Sully. Not complicated.


What do you expect ownership to say?

Say we hate Sully? Then how would the new GM make an independent decision?

i expect them to just say the new GM will evaluate the coaching staff…the fact that he goes out of his way to mention Sullivan being extended for three years, tells you all you need to know…no reason to say that if you wanted an honest assessment from the new hockey ops team

 

[canadianguy77]

Not gonna defend Sullivan, he should be gone too. There were two murders here, at least the main one is gone. And I said that Hextall was responsible for more than 50% of the damage here. He SUCKS and should never get the hockey job again. He probably never will.

I would fire him without shaking his hand, telling him the truth that he ruined it here and wish him nothing. I would still shake Sullivan´s hand while firing him too. Don´t forget, it was Ron Hextall who gave Sullivan this awful limiting extension two years before his contract was done!! I have never seen the coach extended two years before their contract ended. All of that after 1st round exit. Hextall will be remembered as the worst GM in Penguins history. Probably one of the worst in hockey. Ever.

He took Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar and a slew of others when his scouts were telling him to take Makar. He should never have been hired in the first place. Also the Flyer ties.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not gonna defend Sullivan, he should be gone too. There were two murders here, at least the main one is gone. And I said that Hextall was responsible for more than 50% of the damage here. He SUCKS and should never get the hockey job again. He probably never will.

I would fire him without shaking his hand, telling him the truth that he ruined it here and wish him nothing. I would still shake Sullivan´s hand while firing him too. Don´t forget, it was Ron Hextall who gave Sullivan this awful limiting extension two years before his contract was done!! I have never seen the coach extended two years before their contract ended. All of that after 1st round exit. Hextall will be remembered as the worst GM in Penguins history. Probably one of the worst in hockey. Ever.

Lol I pretty much promise you that FSG either pushed for that extension or heavily supported t.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Hextall is the first Penguins GM not to win a cup since Esposito was fired in 1989 lol. Must suck to suck

 

[canadianguy77]

Open for all:

Avatar/Username bet that once village idiot Sullivan finally leaves Pens he will NEVER be successful in the NHL again, just like Bylsma.

Which one of you Sullivan fans are up to the challenge? Put your fake internet money where your mouth is.

Isn't there like 3 posters who still support Sullivan?

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

I think most were hoping the the entire thing would be scrapped including the coaching staff and are disappointed that it didn't happen yet. I think people are also fearful that the new GM will kowtow to Sullivan and this is all just a giant waste of time.

If we got someone like, for example, Lou Lamiorello, you know that Sully can't push him around. GM has to be ballsy! They are the GM!

Ownership may be clueless...GM/President need to do a better job of guiding them. Remember they are not hockey people but business people, and Sully is very good at articulating a point of view, which he practices every game with the media. I can easily see how he sold himself.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The good news is: coaches don’t count against the cap.

The bad news is: our owners stepped out for a pack of cigarettes and never came back.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also downright lol that Hextall will be remembered as "one of the worst GMs in hockey". He took over an aging team with an impossible mandate and did a shitty job at it. There are a ton of GMs I can think of that hurt their franchises WAY more than Hextall did.

Hextall's time as Penguins GM yielded very few positives, but he didn't really have any disasters either. His score was a consistent failure, but that's nowhere even close to the worst GMing the NHL has seen. Hell, his performance wasn't even the worst GM performance this year.

 

[66-30-33]

Hey look, the team in the same exact situation as the Penguins isn't just keeping around their coach just out of loyalty.

Holy f*** we are keeping Sully forever aren't we? Like holy f*** our org has to be the dumbest.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Maybe now people will look back to the Shero years with a bit more honest reflection?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Maybe now people will look back to the Shero years with a bit more honest reflection?

Shero is one of the most disrespected people involved with the Penguins in a long time.

I can't think of a player, coach or GM that got more undeserved shit that Shero did. Shero had his flaws, but his only fireable mistake was hanging on to Bylsma.

 

[Pancakes]

Hextall's time as Penguins GM yielded very few positives, but he didn't really have any disasters either.

??

Carter extension
McCann
Granlund

Yeah, using hindsight to judge the Carter and McCann ones for sure, but the way they turned out was undeniably disastrous.

 

[canadianguy77]

Maybe now people will look back to the Shero years with a bit more honest reflection?

I'm suspect of anyone with strong former Flyer ties. I'm not entirely convinced that he didn't try to sabotage the team either. (only half joking about this)

 

[Empoleon8771]

??

Carter extension
McCann
Granlund

Yeah, using hindsight to judge the Carter and McCann ones for sure, but the way they turned out was undeniably disastrous.

Go look at what "disastrous" means to other teams. None of those even remotely compare to the actual "disasters" that other GMs have done.

Hell, Hextall didn't even have a move that was as bad as JR signing JJ to a 5 year deal. He doesn't even have the worst move of the last 2 GMs.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I don’t think Hextall destroyed the franchise’s future, but the moves really catered too much to Sullivan and also were completely out to lunch regarding the actual needs of the team.

Still, we were in on Miller and achy grub, just couldn’t seal the deal. So very minor partial credit there?

I'm suspect of anyone with strong former Flyer ties. I'm not entirely convinced that he didn't try to sabotage the team either. (only half joking about this)

That’s silly. Shero did more framework of the B2Bs than JR did.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

Also downright lol that Hextall will be remembered as "one of the worst GMs in hockey". He took over an aging team with an impossible mandate and did a shitty job at it. There are a ton of GMs I can think of that hurt their franchises WAY more than Hextall did.

Hextall's time as Penguins GM yielded very few positives, but he didn't really have any disasters either. His score was a consistent failure, but that's nowhere even close to the worst GMing the NHL has seen. Hell, his performance wasn't even the worst GM performance this year.

I was actually ok with Hextall until the TDL. But that's because my own bias. He did very little, he re-signed people and spent capspace but no assets, which I could care less about since my view since few years is this team has no chance and it doesn't matter.

I was good with that, keep hoarding picks while signing new deck chairs to keep the idiots in Pittsburgh happy and thinking they have a good team.

Granlund though, made me go from zero to rage in an instance.

At the same time, Hextall had an impossible job keeping Pens in win now mode while being excellent for the future at the same time. Just speaks how out of touch the francise is.

Still, he did a poor job of the impossible.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah the JJ signing/buyout is still the worst move this team has seen since the GenX years

 

[Pancakes]

Go look at what "disastrous" means to other teams. None of those even remotely compare to the actual "disasters" that other GMs have done.

Hell, Hextall didn't even have a move that was as bad as JR signing JJ to a 5 year deal. He doesn't even have the worst move of the last 2 GMs.

I dunno man, having Granlund and Carter for next year seems pretty damned disastrous. That other teams have done worse things doesn't make these any less painful.

The worst thing isn't even that we have them, but that because we have them we have to play them. Sullivan obviously doesn't have the balls to scratch Carter, so if he's back next year, he's playing.

 

[66-30-33]

Yeah the JJ signing/buyout is still the worst move this team has seen since the GenX years

Atleast it's a 900K cap hit now. Piss off Heinen.

 

[HandshakeLine]

One hopes Sullivan has a morality clause in his contract the way he loves f***ing this franchise.

Atleast it's a 900K cap hit now. Piss off Heinen.

Half a decade later.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I was actually ok with Hextall until the TDL. But that's because my own bias. He did very little, he re-signed people and spent capspace but no assets, which I could care less about since my view since few years is this team has no chance and it doesn't matter.

I was good with that, keep hoarding picks while signing new deck chairs to keep the idiots in Pittsburgh happy and thinking they have a good team.

Granlund though, made me go from zero to rage in an instance.

At the same time, Hextall had an impossible job keeping Pens in win now mode while being excellent for the future at the same time. Just speaks how out of touch the francise is.

Still, he did a poor job of the impossible.

That was not me saying Hextall did a good job. He was terrible. I just meant that he didn't have nearly as large of a negative impact as the true worst GMs in hockey history, just because he didn't make that many big moves.

He was consistently bad, but you don't ruin a franchise by giving out a 2 year contract to Jeff Carter.

I dunno man, having Granlund and Carter for next year seems pretty damned disastrous. That other teams have done worse things doesn't make these any less painful.

The worst thing isn't even that we have them, but that because we have them we have to play them. Sullivan obviously doesn't have the balls to scratch Carter, so if he's back next year, he's playing.

I think you really need to look at the bad moves other teams make before you act like Hextall's tenure was "disastrous".

Signing Carter to a 2 year deal instead of a 1 year deal pales in comparison to giving a terrible JJ 5 years. Trading a 2nd for a declining Granlund making $5 million a year is nothing compared to trading Naslund for Stojanov. He was consistently making bad moves, but the scale of those moves weren't even close to big enough to land him in the "worst GM of all time" category.

 

[canadianguy77]

Go look at what "disastrous" means to other teams. None of those even remotely compare to the actual "disasters" that other GMs have done.

Hell, Hextall didn't even have a move that was as bad as JR signing JJ to a 5 year deal. He doesn't even have the worst move of the last 2 GMs.

He didn't have the courage or integrity to reign his head coach in when things were obviously turning sour. If they ever even had tough discussions about guys like Bryan Rust and Brian Dumoulin, those discussions didn't amount to much of anything. They rode poor performers into not making the playoffs, and didn't reward guys who played well. He's every bit as culpable as Mike Sullivan is. The buck should've stopped with him.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He didn't have the courage or integrity to reign his head coach in when things were obviously turning sour. If they ever even had tough discussions about guys like Bryan Rust and Brian Dumoulin, those discussions didn't amount to much of anything. They rode poor performers into not making the playoffs, and didn't reward guys who played well. He's every bit as culpable as Mike Sullivan is. The buck should've stopped with him.

Not only does he not have the authority to override Sullivan's lineup decisions, that's also nothing compared to actual disaster moves that GMs have made.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The Granlund move sucks because the player is terrible, and the fit is even worse. It by no means cripples the team or anything, it's just more of the same type of blind idiocy, and that's why it sucks so bad.

But this team ain't shit anymore, so it's not like he's keeping the Pens from taking the next step.

 

[Pancakes]

I think you really need to look at the bad moves other teams make before you act like Hextall's tenure was "disastrous".

Signing Carter to a 2 year deal instead of a 1 year deal pales in comparison to giving a terrible JJ 5 years. Trading a 2nd for a declining Granlund making $5 million a year is nothing compared to trading Naslund for Stojanov. He was consistently making bad moves, but the scale of those moves weren't even close to big enough to land him in the "worst GM of all time" category.

I mean this is just a bad way to judge things though, because if the bar for what's disastrous involves other GMs, then yeah every GM in the league looks like a genius compared to what has gone on in Vancouver or Philly the past 5-10 years.

Hextall isn't close to the worst GM of all time, I agree there, but man was he bad.

Now we move on and see if a new gm does better and if it even matters with Sullivan at the helm