Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Habs Halifax]

Hints had 37 goals and 75 points in the same amount of games as Dubois last season. He also had 37 goals and 72 points the year before. He is not a comparable.

It’s not solely based on pts people. Get that through your hard head.

 

[Captain97]

Accoridng to hockeydb Dach is 6'4" and Dubois is 6'2"

Hockeydb is wrong, that number is from pre-draft, NHL.com has him listed at 6'4

 

[nhlfan9191]

It’s not solely based on pts people. Get that through your hard head

What’s it based on then when comparing these guys? What makes Dubois a comparable to Hintz?

 

[Habs Halifax]

What’s it based on then when comparing these guys? What makes Dubois a comparable to Hintz?

You clearly think it’s pts only. Not engaging into this rabbit hole.

Dubois will be north of $8M AAV unless he leaves money on the table

 

[nhlfan9191]

You clearly think it’s pts only. Not engaging into this rabbit hole.

Dubois will be north of $8M AAV unless he leaves money on the table

Hintz is a better player. Lol at least he has been the past two seasons. There’s no rabbit hole. If Dubois had the same production as Hintz has now, a lot more people would be willing to throw him the contract he wants.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Hints had 37 goals and 75 points in the same amount of games as Dubois last season. He also had 37 goals and 72 points the year before. He is not a comparable.

Well, he IS useful as a comparison - to show that Dubois is not worth $9M, nor even close.

 

[The Great Weal]

It’s not solely based on pts people. Get that through your hard head.

Ya you're right, he's also a way better skater and a much better production in the playoffs.

 

[SlafySZN]

Hockeydb is wrong, that number is from pre-draft, NHL.com has him listed at 6'4

Dubois combine height/weight was 6’2.2 205 lbs. I don’t think he grew 2 inches since then.

 

[Rapala]

F ME The Jets are going to accuse Cole of tampering.

 

[Runner77]

F ME The Jets are going to accuse Cole of tampering.

Cole’s our secret weapon.

He’d have been more lethal though, had he used his trademark accessory.

 

[River Meadow]

Habs would need to take half of his salary to hope this trade to happen



They are both 6'4" 214 pounds.

This sounds so Trumpesque.. "two full inches taller and he will get stronger and stronger !!! " whoo ! He's so good at hockey, nobody plays better than Dach, i know him and gave him few tricks and his wife is beautiful , nearly as much sexy as my daughter .....

If you think Pierre-Luc Dubois is 6ft4, I have a bridge to sell you..

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Just sign for cheap and be a hero pld. Do whats right make it simple. Surely at some point the heel gets a redemption arc

 

[Heffyhoof]

Hintz is the better comparison IMO

You're right Hintz is a better comparison to show why PLD deserves under 8 mil, thank you.

 

[River Meadow]

Just sign for cheap and be a hero pld. Do whats right make it simple. Surely at some point the heel gets a redemption arc

Yup.

Prove you're not a pee oh ess.

Sign and sign for a reasonable team friendly contract like Suzuki and Caufield, to prove you want to come here and you want a win here.

 

[CoopersFalls]

I just get the feeling that after the last 2 years of chatter, this isn't going to transpire. HuGo will not pay the assets required to get him on a sign and trade and that's where it sounds like it's going.

 

[HuGort]

Lot of anticipation out there among Habs fans. Everybody knows we get good player at 5 and Hughes will make couple big moves.

 

[yianik]

PLD, Caufield, Zegras & Jack Hughes all in Montreal. All of them represented by Brisson.

It's one of those NBA things, when the players get together and tell their respective teams to move them to a specific team because they want to play and win with certain guys. Obviously they have chosen Montreal. Dynasty incoming.

 

[BLONG7]

Winnipeg is surely not a place that attracts players. But what the Jets have goes beyond just the city.

That room is toxic. When you have a number of players wanting out one after another, including a coach leaving, add to that when the new coach comes in, he strips Wheeler of the captaincy, it points to something that runs deep in that room.

Fans say....................#26 and # 55 Been going on for years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I just get the feeling that after the last 2 years of chatter, this isn't going to transpire. HuGo will not pay the assets required to get him on a sign and trade and that's where it sounds like it's going.

I was personally 60-80% sure he comes to Montreal about a year ago and I haven't changed it. Still 20-40% he don't come.

The sign/trade will be more trickier with other teams IMO. Habs know he will sign with us, other teams think he will but my gut tells me he would take $8.5M from the Habs but $9M+ from those other 5 teams.

He's hanging around with Caufield. I'm pretty sure he wants to come home and play with this core during his prime. As long as we are not going to low ball him on a contract (Under $8M like some others are saying), it's happening.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just sign for cheap and be a hero pld. Do whats right make it simple. Surely at some point the heel gets a redemption arc

I'm hoping he signs to match Suzuki's contract but with lots of signing bonus money. Suzuki got $10M total from $63M so maybe Dubois can get $30M.

If I had to guess, his AAV falls in the range of Suzuki to $8.5M. If he takes Suzuki's contract, that shows good character IMO. Comes home to play with this core during his prime and shares the pressure/expectations with several others. Would leave a little money on the table if he signs the Suzuki contract because as a UFA (if he waits), he gets $8.5M+

 

[Jack Skellington]

Accoridng to hockeydb Dach is 6'4" and Dubois is 6'2"

Better get him quick before he's 6'5

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm hoping he signs to match Suzuki's contract but with lots of signing bonus money. Suzuki got $10M total from $63M so maybe Dubois can get $30M.

If I had to guess, his AAV falls in the range of Suzuki to $8.5M. If he takes Suzuki's contract, that shows good character IMO. Comes home to play with this core during his prime and shares the pressure/expectations with several others. Would leave a little money on the table if he signs the Suzuki contract because as a UFA (if he waits), he gets $8.5M+

Maybe, maybe not. A desperate team might overpay, if they have cap space, but there are too many contracts of 60+ point guys to refer to, that indicate that Dubois's fair value is in the $7.5-$7.9M range. All the guys over $8M have something on him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How long do you think a 8x $8M (+/-) type contract gets done? 3-5 days?

What we could have here is agreed trades but then got to wait for the team the Jets are in talks with to get the contract signed.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I was personally 60-80% sure he comes to Montreal about a year ago and I haven't changed it. Still 20-40% he don't come.

The sign/trade will be more trickier with other teams IMO. Habs know he will sign with us, other teams think he will but my gut tells me he would take $8.5M from the Habs but $9M+ from those other 5 teams.

He's hanging around with Caufield. I'm pretty sure he wants to come home and play with this core during his prime. As long as we are not going to low ball him on a contract (Under $8M like some others are saying), it's happening.

You know when you look at a contract signed July 1st and you shake your head and ask, "What were they thinking, this guy is getting more than X player and is clearly less good?"

That would be Dubois at $8M or more. The desirable locations usually don't have to pay that money, but sometimes a desperate team HOPES the player will be 10 points better than one should assume, and pays for that 'potential'. Too often, those contracts are bought out.

Montreal does not need to rape the player, nor should they, nor at any rate will he accept $5M or $6M like some nasty folk throw out, thinking he should grovel to play for us.

But I stick to my guns. He should not make more than Suzuki for the role we will have for him, which is a realistic role and not a stretch, not a dream that he will be the guy to carry a team on his back.

If PLD wants to go the highest bidder no matter what, that is his right, and I won't attack his character. I don't even mind if WE are the highest bidder, if the number is within my target. I won't blast Hughes for overpaying if he gets Dubois at, say, $7.8M and the rumours are that no one else offered that much.

I think we need about 3-4 forwards better than PLD to compete for a Cup, and we need money for top D-men too. A good GM has to manage the cap to make it all work, and I think Hughes is smart enough to do so - both to evaluate talent and to negotiate fair deals.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I just get the feeling that after the last 2 years of chatter, this isn't going to transpire. HuGo will not pay the assets required to get him on a sign and trade and that's where it sounds like it's going.

Same here, I have a feeling it's Montreal all the way until it's actually time to pull the trigger and basically we were just used as always as leverage. I expect him to be traded to LA