Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Jaynki]

Even if we can have PLD for free in the summer of 2024. We should trade for him.

He wants to be here. Why let him rot another year in WPG when we can have him under market value. That would go a very long way for the long term relationship with the Dubois clan.

Doing good businesses, paying your stars and accomodating them is also assets management. Its not only about holding your picks and your b prospects. Habs want to be a top notch organisation, then act like it.

Pay WPG a fair price, acquire Dubois one year earlier, sign him long term to a fair deal for both sides.

It feels rich but FLA 1st for Dubois is such an obvious trade. And its actually not rich considering Dubois intangibles, talent and age.

 

[Vachon23]

yea your right they just need to add centers which Dubois would help but i think losing Bergeron will hurt alot hes probably the best defensive center in the game plus the leadership in the room but werent you the one with the Dubois scoops earlier this season from a friend so i guess you would know more then me

Yes I was told that PLD really wants to play for the Habs even more with MSL has HC who he love in CBS, but a year in the Boston organization can change many things..

 

[MXD]

Lots of players have said they would like to play for the habs,

the percentage of those players actually playing for the habs is very low

Its not like PLD is saying its the ONLY team he wants to play for

its just one of many teams

Didn't MSL say he would love to play for the habs?

Same with Stamkos i believe,

how did that work out?

... You just named two guys who never said that (of course, MSL-tryout notwithstanding), but okay, keep trying to look smart.

It feels rich but FLA 1st for Dubois is such an obvious trade. And its actually not rich considering Dubois intangibles, talent and age.

Winnipeg will get a few better offers than Fla1st for Dubois, should they decide to go that route.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dvorak + Mesar + 2nd round pick 2023

Avs will be in on Dubois. I think they easily offer Girard and their 1st and Avs would take that.

I think we have to include Beck. My low ball offer is Beck, Habs early 2nd, and Engstrom. Maybe Gurianov is included but I don't see the NHL contract being a deal breaker. Maybe it is if we try to push Dvorak cause how would we know how the Jets GM values that contract during a mini rebuild/reset.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I doubt GM's will take the same chance the Jets took in trying to sell their team/city in an attempt at convincing him to stay. I do think other GM's will be in on Dubois but they will want the sign/trade. I don't see other teams paying valuable futures knowing they don't have a good chance at extending him. Not at this stage.

As a pending UFA for the 24 TDL, I don't even see him getting the Horvat trade value. Anybody who wanted to trade for Horvat, wanted to extend him. Lou didn't make the move if he didn't feel he had a good chance at extending him.

There’s a plenty of examples of pure rentals (expiring contracts) being traded at the deadline for a 1st +.

 

[Blame the referee]

Avs will be in on Dubois. I think they easily offer Girard and their 1st and Avs would take that.

I think we have to include Beck. My low ball offer is Beck, Habs early 2nd, and Engstrom. Maybe Gurianov is included but I don't see the NHL contract being a deal breaker. Maybe it is if we try to push Dvorak cause how would we know how the Jets GM values that contract during a mini rebuild/reset.

I have no problem giving beck and the early 2nd. I’d try to find something else than Engstrom

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Yes I was told that PLD really wants to play for the Habs even more with MSL has HC who he love in CBS, but a year in the Boston organization can change many things..

yea im sure Boston fans would love him too the way he plays

 

[Jaynki]

Winnipeg will get a few better offers than Fla1st for Dubois, should they decide to go that route.

Possible but i doubt it. I don't think a team will pay a top ten pick considering his desire to come here. Boston might try to acquire him but they don't have a pieces as strong as FLA 1st.

We can also embellish it. We have a plethora of 2nd tier prospects and there is a couple of ''likeable'' contract like Dvorak and/or Edmundson (WPG local boy).

FLA 1st + Edmundson + Kapanen ???

 

[Habs Halifax]

... You just named two guys who never said that (of course, MSL-tryout notwithstanding), but okay, keep trying to look smart.



Winnipeg will get a few better offers than Fla1st for Dubois, should they decide to go that route.

I think the 1st they get offered by others will be 20+ range. I don't seem too many teams outside of the top 10 or top 12 trading for Dubois and using futures to acquire.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He was a PPG player this season before he got injured and had 60 pts season as a U23, he can certainly be a 70 pts players with offence getting up

Dubois trailed off by the end of the season last year too. It was also a common occurrence in Columbus. Blaming an injury misses that.

He can be a 70 point player, but the difference between "can" and "is" is not insignificant.

It's actually 61 but it doesn't really matter. He is about to probably beat that by a few points this season. Would be his 3rd 60+ point season in 6 NHL seasons. We can't act like we don't need offensive players player like him.

I'm not saying don't trade for Dubois, I'm saying recognize what he is. I don't want to compare this to the Drouin situation because Dubois is already a better player than Drouin was ever reasonably expected to be based on what he'd done in the AHL and NHL, but lets actually look at Dubois dispassionately:

1) He's a career high 61 point player playing premium minutes.
2) He uses his frame well and his defensive game has grown to the point that its a positive.
3) He's not (or hasn't been) an "offensive player", he's generally been a mediocre point producer 5v5 with most of his damage is done on the PP.
4) He's improving, but still mediocre at faceoffs.
5) He's going to be looking for big money.

To me, that's a player Montreal can certainly use and Montreal should be interested because he's young and it appears as though he wants to play in Montreal, but he's not worth going crazy over.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have no problem giving beck and the early 2nd. I’d try to find something else than Engstrom

Harris or Engstrom. We had to give up Romanov and some picks to get Dach. If we try to protect the Panthers 1st and both our RD's (Barron and Mailloux), they will target Beck and pieces like Engstrom. They will take the early 2nd rounder and that has good value (35-38 range).

 

[TomKosto]

Avs will be in on Dubois. I think they easily offer Girard and their 1st and Avs would take that.

I think we have to include Beck. My low ball offer is Beck, Habs early 2nd, and Engstrom. Maybe Gurianov is included but I don't see the NHL contract being a deal breaker. Maybe it is if we try to push Dvorak cause how would we know how the Jets GM values that contract during a mini rebuild/reset.

Living the dream....We are not getting PLD for Beck,2nd and Engstrom good lord. Winnipeg will just trade him for more than that to a contender as a rentral this summer or next year deadline. It's gonna cost Florida pick ++

 

[MXD]

Possible but i doubt it. I don't think a team will pay a top ten pick considering his desire to come here. Boston might try to acquire him but they don't have a pieces as strong as FLA 1st.

We can also embellish it. We have a plethora of 2nd tier prospects and there is a couple of ''likeable'' contract like Dvorak and/or Edmundson (WPG local boy).

FLA 1st + Edmundson + Kapanen ???

Edmundson is close to cap dump at this point. I'm not sure Kapanen makes the list of our 10 most interesting NHL'ers.

 

[The Great Weal]

I can’t wait to see Jets fans reactions for PLDs actually value when he doesn’t get Dach+FLA 1st.

 

[MXD]

I think the 1st they get offered by others will be 20+ range. I don't seem too many teams outside of the top 10 or top 12 trading for Dubois and using futures to acquire.

Of course the 1st wouldn't be the only piece.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Living the dream....We are not getting PLD for Beck,2nd and Engstrom good lord. Winnipeg will just trade him for more than that to a contender as a rentral this summer or next year deadline. It's gonna cost Florida pick ++

Not a dream. It's a low ball offer due to circumstance of it being close to the Trouba situation. Trouba had a 50 pts season as a young RD who also had one RFA year left. It returned the 20th pick and Poink.

Circumstantial trade based on if Dubois will not do sign/trade with any other team:
* 20th pick vs Beck
* Pionk vs 35-38 2nd and Engstrom

The word "if" has a English meaning

 

[JRichard]

I’m sure PLD wants to play to Mtl someday.
PLD was drafted by Columbus, played his elc there, resigned with them for 2 years, then accepted Wpg‘ QO.

why?

 

[CaptainKirk]

I can’t wait to see Jets fans reactions for PLDs actually value when he doesn’t get Dach+FLA 1st.

"We're not getting Dach and FLA 1st? We must be getting Caufield, straight up!"

 

[Habs Halifax]

Of course the 1st wouldn't be the only piece.

This is why I would have Beck on the table. Today, he is worth a 20-32 range 1st.

If Dubois gives all other teams a no if they ask for sign/trade, I do think Beck, Habs 2nd, and Engstrom is an offer that is comparable to teams who consider trading for just the one RFA year.

That offer also does not have a NHL contract dump going the other way where I see most if not all teams in the top 10 having to do to make their cap work.

 

[CanadienShark]

Just PLD, forget about Hart.

I'm the opposite. I'd rather Hart than PLD.

 

[TomKosto]

Not a dream. It's a low ball offer due to circumstance of it being close to the Trouba situation. Trouba had a 50 pts season as a young RD who also had one RFA year left. It returned the 20th pick and Poink.

Circumstantial trade based on if Dubois will not do sign/trade with any other team:
* 20th pick vs Beck
* Pionk vs 35-38 2nd and Engstrom

The word "if" has a English meaning

Nah that's a pipe dream dude, Winn will hang on the phone real quick. We would never get a 20thpick ov for Beck after his season, how are they comparable? We can low ball as much we want, an other team will pay a 1st+for PLD as a rental. We had a first for Ben Chiarot....

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nah that's a pipe dream dude, Winn will hang on the phone real quick. We would never get a 20thpick ov for Beck after his season, how are they comparable? We can low ball as much we want, an other team will pay a 1st+for PLD as a rental. We had a first for Ben Chiarot....

Nope, not a dream. It's the Trouba offer.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

would rather keep Engstrom and trade Harris i think hes ceilling is much higher dont see much from Jordan aside from a #5/6 def

that being said i think LD is the last thing Jets need they want RD

 

[salbutera]

Nah that's a pipe dream dude, Winn will hang on the phone real quick. We would never get a 20thpick ov for Beck after his season, how are they comparable? We can low ball as much we want, an other team will pay a 1st+for PLD as a rental. We had a first for Ben Chiarot....

Ok - then let Cheveldayoff take a mid 20s pick next deadline for PLD, afterall above low grade prospects are rarely ever dealt at deadline and almost never for a pending UFA

Winter-peg is f*cked

 

[TomKosto]

Nope, not a dream. It's the Trouba offer.

Pipe dream, no first include, as in the Trouba offer.