JustAHabFan
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And you handed our 1st unprotected to the Jets? No thanks.
Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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Never happen. Habs aren't going to give up a 1st for him other than Forida's 1st.
Estimated_Prophet
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Portzline on display once again as one of the most prolific morons in sports media.
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You're on the right track but too high. If we did this and Dubois actually wanted to screw the Jets, he'd have to sign no higher than 4.290M based on last year's assessment. That only gives Winnipeg our second if they match.
We'd have to get our 2024 pick back from Arizona though.
In any case, I can't see Dubois signing for that low nor Hughes being that much of a jackass. There's a reason off sheets are so rare.
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Kudo Shinichi
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Primeau might be of interest if Hell is really leaving this summer. Doubt he pass waivers next season (right?) and we won't keep 3 goalies up.
Dvorak+Primeau+FLO 1st ?
Dvorak+Primeau+FLO 1st ?
Damphousse was a grenuine franco star for me, and if he was not strong enough for you, then Dubois isn't even close to a star.
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Works with $4,290,125 as the compensation would only be a 2nd (which unfortunately we don't own anymore)
We all know he's spending his summers here, that's why he was present at the draft last year...
I don't think anyone considers him a star in the league but if you say Francophone star then he might actually make the cut as there're so few francophones out there...
Fair enough, but if he is a star, then Damphousse was a bigger star.I don't think anyone considers him a star in the league but if you say Francophone star then he might actually make the cut as there're so few francophones out there...
Lemieux was still playing... Turgeon?Robitaille?
Was Damphousse better than those guys in his era?
26Mats
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I agree about what he's achieved so far. But some players get better as they go from 23 to 25. We'll see if Dubois can improve.
For example, Hertl only first broke 35 goals and 70 points when he was 25. Previously he had career highs of 22 goals and 47 points.
People saying Dubois has already plateaued shouldn't even be taken seriously IMO.
It's like saying Suzuki will never hit 80 points in his career!
Kojo
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What makes you think Suzuki will score 80 points in a season?
There's better players than him who never scored 80 points in a season.
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So then why is Dubois a comparable because their development curves are completly different. Suzuki's ppg has increased every single year in the NHL, Dubois's had been up and down and up until last season his best ppg season was his 2nd year.His development curve...
Suzuki look's like actual development, Dubois's looks like the normal ups/downs of one NHL season to the next.
I thought of this months ago. It's limiting for the Jets, but not necessarily good for us.
Assume Winnipeg does not match.
They get our 1st rounder in 2024, wherever it may fall, likely 10-16, and our 3rd round pick as well. That is probably better than what they get as a rental from a team much higher in the standings.
Plus crucially, we can't extend Dubois until Jan 1st.
So the risk-reward versus making a trade is worse for us on both sides. We are probably paying more up front AND running the risk we do not get him for many years past this coming one.
If Winnipeg wants to re-tool and still compete, we are better off focusing on offering them roster players that we can afford to live without while also saving their cap hits, and going quite light on the draft pick. We can also give them a prospect they like other than the top 3 or so.
And all this is conditional on getting Dubois to sign a deal no better than Suzuki, Caufield OR BRATT.
We can't compete with a team willing to give assets now AND a $9M contract to Dubois (assuming as I do that we would sign that) but we should be able to beat out teams that just want him as a one-year rental or are also offering a similar contract.
If Dubois were absolutely committed to come to Montreal on a team-friendly contract and was willing to leave $2M or so on the table for this year to do so, he would sign an offer sheet just over $4M for one year, Jets would get only a 2024 2nd round pick if they pass, and Dubois would be taking a chance we extend on Jan 1 on terms he can live with. And we are taking the risk of losing him after the one season while underpaying him for that one year but losing one 2nd round pick.
I probably do THIS offer sheet, but I don't think Dubois or his agent would take this huge risk. However, if Brisson could convince Winnipeg that this is what will happen if they don't trade him to us for a reasonable package, they Jets might give in, accept our trade offer and Dubois gets his long-term deal right away, at affordasble money for us.
Conclusion: I can't see a Habs offer sheet actually happening, but the threat of one might impact negotiations.
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26Mats
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To state that PLD has plateaued is to state an opinion, a projection, not a fact.
Sure it is possible that Dubois has plateaued, or even that he'll regress. Mike Comrie, Alex Galchenyuk, and Nail Yakupov are three names off the top of my head of players who had good seasons when young, then regressed...
But some people don't know the difference between fact and opinion, and/or get militantly emotional about their opinions.
Possible, but unlikely in my opinion. None of those three players regressed only after six seasons of pretty good play, with the 6th season being first in ppg, and the 5th season tied for second.
26Mats
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Yeah I don't think PLD will regress, baring injuries, substance abuse etc...
The point was it's all projections/opinions not fact, even though the original poster stated it as a fact that PLD has plateaued.
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Bratt is not a center. Centers usually get paid more due to supply/demand.
I have Dubois in the $8M - $8.5M range but won't be surprised if he holds out for that $9M+ contract. He's open to signing the 8 year deal now but if it's not the AAV he wants, I'm sure Brisson/Dubois will just go with the 1 year arbitration deal and then head into the 2024 off season as a UFA with a higher cap.
If I was Gorton/Hughes and I was able to get a trade we can afford with the Jets, my contract offer is 8x $8M with a NMC option and over 50% paid as signing bonus. Not many teams can do the signing bonus... many teams avoid it. Signing bonus structure is one way the Habs can try to lower the AAV. And the other angle is we are rebuilding and can't afford to mess around with our cap strategy too much.
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