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Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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Grate n Colorful Oz
Pure Laine Hutson
Grate n Colorful Oz
Pure Laine Hutson
Cammaleri was PPG in an era that scored less than last season. Hamrlik was a top 2 D when he signed. Kovalev re-signed here although he could've cashed-in by becoming UFA. All 3 were higher calibre when signed.
BLONG7
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Easy on us old guys....lol
Habs Halifax
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Seems similar to Danault to me. Several Habs fans said he wasn't worth it and was just a 3C. Should be paid $4M ish. Same kind of things said towards Dubois now. Treating him like a $6M center when he will be paid $8M - $9M range and he's just as good as Horvat, Larkin, Hintz who all got paid in that range. This is about tracking a growing cap to come for a very young proven top 2C who is a fringe 1C like Suzuki.
When I look at Dubois, I don't look at his points only. I look at his physical strength and ability to make things easier for his wingers. Ability to battle big apposing D down low on the offensive end. This part of the game is very important in terms of sustaining pressure and keeping the puck in the offensive zone.
Lets say we don't trade for Dubois because the asking price is too high or he's asking for $9M+. Then what? I wonder about how long it will take us to find a physical center like that.
Dubois wanting out of Columbus and Winnipeg doesn't bother me one bit. Why? Because I believe he wanted to play for the Habs and the Jets interfered
nhlfan9191
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He sounds great in theory when you completely ignore the red flags that come with him. Not sure what Danault has to do with our argument.
Habs Halifax
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Red flags like Danault saying he wants to be a 2C and not a 3C? Remember those red flags? Fans thinking he will want $6M+ because he thinks he is a 2C and he's not?
You can have your own red flags but how you comprehend them shouldn't be pushed onto others. If there were real red flags, don't you think the Habs would be able to acquire for cheap because all 4 or 5 of the other teams would just pass on him? Let me guess, NHL GM's are idiots and you are the genius at home?
Are you saying the red flags you see means we should have zero interest in him? Clarify?
ChesterNimitz
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2004? I have some things in my fridge longer than that.
Habs Halifax
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nhlfan9191
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I don’t know why you’re randomly bringing Danault into this. We’re talking about $8-9 million with PLD. And that’s not counting an acquisition cost. This is a whole different animal to Danault. Danault also didn’t have any baggage. It doesn’t matter if 5-6 other teams are interested. That doesn’t swing things one way or another. Other teams hand out bad contracts and make bad decisions all the time. I prefer two years into we don’t start things off by making a giant mistake.
Habs Halifax
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You don't know why because you were likely one of the ones saying Danault is overrated and just a 3C and only worth $4M. I can understand why you don't know how that applies to Dubois.
You want another one. Saying no to Beck+ for Dubois is like us saying no to Poehling+ for ROR back a few seasons ago. ROR didn't work out in both Colorado and Buffalo so it's a red flag.
Habs Halifax
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What are the chances the trade and contract becomes too difficult and all teams pass?
Jets asking for too much?
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Dubois asking for too much on a 8 year deal.
Low chance Dubois is not traded before the season starts next year right?
Jets asking for too much?
and/or
Dubois asking for too much on a 8 year deal.
Low chance Dubois is not traded before the season starts next year right?
Adam Michaels
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So I was listening to BPM Sports this morning that is hosted by Anthony Marcotte. During his segment with Renaud Lavoie, which was mostly dedicated to the Stanley Cup Final.
But before the end of their segment, Marcotte said that there's a chance they will talk about the Canadiens tomorrow. And Lavoie sarcastically answers "Oh, something is going on with the Canadiens?"
I posted this in the PLD thread, but it doesn't mean it's regarding PLD. But the way they ended that segment, you got the impression something must be up.
But before the end of their segment, Marcotte said that there's a chance they will talk about the Canadiens tomorrow. And Lavoie sarcastically answers "Oh, something is going on with the Canadiens?"
I posted this in the PLD thread, but it doesn't mean it's regarding PLD. But the way they ended that segment, you got the impression something must be up.
MarkovsKnee
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Jets pretty much have to trade him at some point. He's UFA in a year. They can bring him to arbitration and force a contract on him for one year then trade him at deadline, but I can't imagine PLD will do much to enhance his trade value. He didn't want to go to Winnipeg and his agent told them that. Jets decided to do it anyway hoping he'd change his mind.
I was reading the Kings board, and while there is theoretical interest in adding PLD, in reality they don't want to give up Vilardi, Clarke or Spence to do it. They also don't have a 2023 1st, and don't have much cap space to add an $8m contract nevermind a $9m one.
It's the same reasoning as ours for Dach: Vilardi is cost controlled and is on his way to 50 point seasons maybe more, yet will cost at least 50% less of what PLD will cost.
In a cap limited world, you need to find value. PLD is not a value contract after this year. Dach & Vilardi will continue to be.
Pompeius Magnus
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Just so you know, I'm 100% blaming you if nothing comes out of it
Habs Halifax
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Good context. Jets fans think the Kings are just going to give them what they want and the cap for the Kings will be just easy to figure out. It don't work that way.
I just wonder about what the high price in a trade is and the difficulty of getting Dubois's new contract fit in the cap. Seems like something will happen from now till draft but it might not.
I still think the Habs are front runners. We are not going to overpay in both trade value or contract though. Hope not. Very much interested in Dubois but not desperate. Beck, Panthers 1st, and a NHL contract like Dvorak is a good offer. They might not like it but it's our max point IMO. Then if Dubois is asking for $9M+, I might decline the entire idea. We are trying to build a contender here in a salary cap. Dubois possible max deal attempt turns me off.
The LAK need a goaltender. Beyond a shadow of a doubt they will sign one. July 1st is the day they can sign one.
Problem is this; WIN will probably want to trade PLD before the draft so that they can benefit form the 2023 draft picks. It’s not an end gamer but still needs to be considered. Honestly I believe zero of those LAK rumours, they only thing we « know » is that the Habs are legitimately interested in PLD and PLD would accept to play here.
Habs Halifax
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What would that be equal too? Hoffman, Habs 2nd, and Allen?
Adam Michaels
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Just so you know, I'm 100% blaming you if nothing comes out of it
At least I put myself out there. I'm out here saying this with my avatar and username for everyone here to see.
Pompeius Magnus
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Don't disrespect Ryder like that
Habs Halifax
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It sounds like they were just going to talk about the Habs. Did he say or imply that there may be breaking news?
Adam Michaels
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No they didn't outright say it. But it was the way they said it. It gave the impression something is up. They could have just been saying it to have fun. But Marcotte said something along the lines of "tomorrow, there's a chance we'll be talking Habs" and Lavoie sarcastically said "oh, there's something going on with the Habs?"
It's just the impression I got.
I posted this in the PLD thread. But I don't know if anything does indeed happen that it's regarding PLD.
Habs Halifax
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This is tricky because it's both a trade and then a contract. If Dubois is after max deal (8x $9.5M), that may be the biggest hurdle and even the Habs may steer clear of that.
I'm starting to sense that Dubois/Brisson are after that max deal. They set themselves up to be a UFA for that 2024 off season where the cap is expected to grow. Now they are open to a 8 year extension prior to but make no mistake, they will force the 1 year arbitration if they don't get what they are looking for.
I'm starting to sense that Dubois/Brisson are after that max deal. They set themselves up to be a UFA for that 2024 off season where the cap is expected to grow. Now they are open to a 8 year extension prior to but make no mistake, they will force the 1 year arbitration if they don't get what they are looking for.
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