Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[JohnTheBaptist]

I guess Armia has proven to be worth his contract. He went to the cup finals after all!

Ya lol as a completely useless 4th liner. A burden actually.

If PLD seriously wants his 9M he can peace out. And I'd love to have him but not at that price.

<8M or bust. Otherwise Rags can have at him

He has to make less than Suzuki. Because one, he's not as good. Two, he's not worth more. If he's not happy with 7.5 he can go somewhere else.

 

[BLONG7]

Ya that's funny. Suzuki and Caufield have been to a cup final. Those 2 players are untouchables. They have proven a lot to us. I wouldn't trade Caufield for two Dubois'.

They both have also played on bottom feeders.................imagine for a minute, how Suzuki or CC would have done with the Jets team during an 82 game season...............they have had, Connor, Scheifle, Wheeler, Eehlers, in their top 6...............................we have used plugs like Gally and Drouin....

 

[BLONG7]

What's the imagination? He has wanted out of two organizations and he's only 24. His engagement level is extremely inconsistent. He was at odds with Torts in Columbus. Maurice (now in the SC Final) couldn't take it anymore in Winnipeg and resigned mid-season because the players tuned him out. Bowness, who's been around forever, had a very unique post-elimination rant about his "better" players not playing with any pride or having any pushback when things aren't going their way. PLD is one of his better players and was a disappearing act in Games 4 and 5 of that series.

There's a big difference between imagination and putting 2 and 2 together. When the going gets tough, PLD's default reflex is to quit.

I don't want to give up a haul of assets to acquire him. I don't want him taking up significant cap space. I don't want him in the Habs dressing room around the kids.

Not to mention his career high is 63 points and he has been extremely inconsistent throughout his career. You don't know what you're going to get on a game to game basis.

Let Dolan's Rangers acquire him.

Will say it again..................there are flags guys, that simply cannot be ignored. Even the agent and family would have to admit that, they would then placate themselves by telling us why he forced his way out of both organizations with some excuses.

I like the player, but the more I hear about what it will cost to acquire, then retain? Starting to sound like a hard pass.................but alot of people chirping here.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Everybody hates Tortz. He feeds journalits of his savy quotes but players hates him after one year or less. He's an horrible bully when he's on the case of a player. Check how he treatened Antony Duviller. And many others. As for Winnipeg, sorry but all the 4 big names wants out of there, proven fact and they all underperform equally, not just PLD.
Imagine. Let's say you're downtown Toronto Queen street in a café or Crescent street in Mtl. Phone ringing, hey you're transfered to Winnipeg. You're happy?? Really ?? Really ??? Hey don't kidding me heh !

Your quitting narrative have two strong contexts you chose to ignore. Contexts and facts applys for everyone.

Funny that so many of the young players in Philly (Tippett, Cates, Konecny, Frost, York) took huge steps forward under Torts and rave about him as a coach. The horror of him holding PLD accountable in CBJ. The Jets are indeed a tire fire. PLD stunk in the playoffs two years ago vs the Habs and got called out by his coach after going -4 in Games 4 and 5 this year when the Jets got eliminated. But yes...it's always someone else's fault. Interesting that Dubois' father had no problem living in Winnipeg for years and Pierre-Luc lived there when the NHL shut down in 2020 even though he played and had a home in Columbus.

It's bizarre how many excuses PLD supporters have for such an enigmatic 60 point player who will command a heavy cost in terms of trade assets and cap space. I don't think HuGo lets him near the Habs dressing room and the culture they're trying to build unless they fleece the Jets and PLD gives them a hometown discount (which I doubt he will).

 

[Habricot]

No comparison between the two,

Eichel was on a team that never made the playoffs, he had a right to be frustrated,

PLD has quit on two perennial playoff teams,

OH Common, he did ask for a trade from Columbus, I will give you that. But he is in f***in Winnipeg where moskitos are proportional to his paycheck, and where you go to the rink to warm up. Ask your wife if she would move to winnipeg? I dont blame him for that one. He is a savior, no. But he would be an upgrade over Monahan, faster, more physical and younger.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Will say it again..................there are flags guys, that simply cannot be ignored. Even the agent and family would have to admit that, they would then placate themselves by telling us why he forced his way out of both organizations with some excuses.

I like the player, but the more I hear about what it will cost to acquire, then retain? Starting to sound like a hard pass.................but alot of people chirping here.

His effort is extremely inconsistent and he'd be under huge pressure in Montreal given that the bizarre perception among many Habs fans that he's a superstar. I can't imagine the potential for combustion with him in Montreal on an 8-year high salary contract.

OH Common, he did ask for a trade from Columbus, I will give you that. But he is in f***in Winnipeg where moskitos are proportional to his paycheck, and where you go to the rink to warm up. Ask your wife if she would move to winnipeg? I dont blame him for that one. He is a savior, no. But he would be an upgrade over Monahan, faster, more physical and younger.

We got paid a 1st round pick to take Monahan's contract for one year. PLD will cost a 1st and much more in terms of assets plus huge salary and term.

I've heard many compare it to the Leafs trying to take a shortcut by signing Tavares and messing up their cap structure during the window to contend for a Cup. PLD would be an even worse acquisition because he's far less productive than JT and would cost us a huge haul of assets.

 

[Ezpz]

Dubois knows if he comes here he's getting the same contract at Caufield. Hughes isn't handing out dubas contracts. The rumours of rangers and whoever else are to try and pressure us. No interest in overpaying with assets or contracts with Dubois. Getting him at 7.85 would give us a big advantage to flesh out the roster once the cap jumps and be competitive for a very long time.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

They both have also played on bottom feeders.................imagine for a minute, how Suzuki or CC would have done with the Jets team during an 82 game season...............they have had, Connor, Scheifle, Wheeler, Eehlers, in their top 6...............................we have used plugs like Gally and Drouin....

Exactly, very good point.

 

[Destopcorner]

So many Slaf fanboys don't want PLD and point all his flaws because he's "just 60 point player" and we need superstars and more tank.

The same guys will say big bodies take time to adapt and are ready to give Slaf 3 4 years before judging him, stats mean nothing until then... They also like to mention Thompson and all the giants who tend to explode after 25...

I mean PLD was able to storm in the league right away and who says he won't get better? He's only 24 after all. PLD is everything we hope Slaf will become... playing center.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dubois knows if he comes here he's getting the same contract at Caufield. Hughes isn't handing out dubas contracts. The rumours of rangers and whoever else are to try and pressure us. No interest in overpaying with assets or contracts with Dubois. Getting him at 7.85 would give us a big advantage to flesh out the roster once the cap jumps and be competitive for a very long time.

That isn’t the case. Suzuki cap was for coming off ELC. It’s not a team cap and Habs can and hopefully will go over it for even higher end talent. RFA does not equal UFA years bought.

 

[Runner77]

 

[ZUKI]

Try telling it to Franco networks where they seem to hang on his every word.

Unlike Flynn and many other pundits, the guy actually won something. Some of his commentary offers points of view that just can’t be had from other local media (like his takes on the KHL). Like anything else, it has to be consumed responsibly.

Jean Perron not only has his name on a Cup , but he just coached what 2-3 seasons ? Few coaches took 25 years to do so.
That's why we all have that deep respect for coach Perron , one of the top hockey IQ Habs have ever had ...

- his wife

 

[Whitesnake]

I'm so f***ing tired of that non-story. I hope they trade him to somewhere else. I want nothing to do with him if it means having to make a hockey deal or if it means paying him the 9M$ we hear he wants. Until proven otherwise, this guy doesn't deserve it.

 

[Runner77]

Jean Perron not only has his name on a Cup , but he just coached what 2-3 seasons ? Few coaches took 25 years to do so.
That's why we all have that deep respect for coach Perron , one of the top hockey IQ Habs have ever had ...

- his wife

You're so predictable. Perron was the first guy I thought about when I posted about Hartley. However, there is a gulf between them, Hartley had a much longer career and varying degrees of responsibilities. Perron and his Perronismes became a banal caricature of himself. Nice try.

 

[Heffyhoof]

I prefer to call it hope

 

[ZUKI]

Can’t wait for this thread to be locked.

i don't believe you. You deeply are enjoying this thread because you like to make fun of the ones who wants him with the Habs

 

[SlafySZN]

i don't believe you. You deeply are enjoying this thread because you like to make fun of the ones who wants him with the Habs

Ok, i admit i like doing this at some conversations here lol

 

[BLONG7]

You're so predictable. Perron was the first guy I thought about when I posted about Hartley. However, there is a gulf between them, Hartley had a much longer career and varying degrees of responsibilities. Perron and his Perronismes became a banal caricature of himself. Nice try.

Perron was the guy, who lost the team, and still won the Cup!! Thank Robinson, Gainey and a rookie goalie named Roy.

 

[ZUKI]

You're so predictable. Perron was the first guy I thought about when I posted about Hartley. However, there is a gulf between them, Hartley had a much longer career and varying degrees of responsibilities. Perron and his Perronismes became a banal caricature of himself. Nice try.

It was a comment from his wife , you didn't see it ?
Perron seems to be drunk every time he open his mouth to talk. I have read that the team was secretly getting meeting to discuss how they should play instead of the system Perron was asking them to play. This Stanley cup wining team was self-coached by the players themselves

Ok, i admit i like doing this at some conversations here lol

 

[jackeymoon]

Ya lol as a completely useless 4th liner. A burden actually.


He has to make less than Suzuki. Because one, he's not as good. Two, he's not worth more. If he's not happy with 7.5 he can go somewhere else.

PLD is a really overrated, inconsistent player imo. 7 is his fair market number. Anything close to Suzuki or Caufield makes zero sense.

 

[Rapala]

He's proven a lot more than Suzuki and Caufield, and both got more than 7.5M ?

Yup He's proven he knows how to lose to them in the big ones 4 straight.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Yup He's proven he knows how to lose to them in the big ones 4 straight.

Makes 0 sense but ok

 

[Ezpz]

That isn’t the case. Suzuki cap was for coming off ELC. It’s not a team cap and Habs can and hopefully will go over it for even higher end talent. RFA does not equal UFA years bought.

I don't think Dubois is that player though. That's how you give players leverage later. I would use Gallagher as a comparable if I'm any player with over 30 points.

 

[Rapala]

Makes 0 sense but ok

That he got his ass whipped by younger players one being a raw rookie in the second round makes no sense. Caufied and Suzuki were part of our top line what was Dubois for the Jets and in what way did he prove to be the superior player? Take your time I'll be here.

 

[dinodebino]

Media is eating in Pat Brisson’s hands, its crazy. No wonder he’s a power agent. He’d make a great Hockey Ops prez.

All the rumours and speculation, don’t look farther than the guy frim LA. He was a pretty good junior player and became a great business person.