Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[RandomTask26]

What do you think of offering Owen Beck as part of a package?

As much as I like Beck, I’d include him. If you think Dubois can be a top 6 forward for a long time on this team (and I think so), then there can only be a few untouchablrd

Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Dach
Guhle, Xhekaj, Engstrom, Hutson
Habs own 1st round picks

I’d be open minded about anything else

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Sorry but Schneider and Chytil for PLD is amazing deal for Winnipeg.
That would be very bad for NYR.

I'm not as high on Schneider as some. Chytil is a good middle 6 center though. Rangers don't have enough space. They probably would need to add Goodrow, and then that becomes a ridiculous trade in favor of Winnipeg.

 

[The Nightman]

I'm not as high on Schneider as some. Chytil is a good middle 6 center though. Rangers don't have enough space. They probably would need to add Goodrow, and then that becomes a ridiculous trade in favor of Winnipeg.

Goodrow was somehow given a 15 team ntc so likely not very easy to move him, especially to Winnipeg.

 

[26Mats]

As much as I like Beck, I’d include him. If you think Dubois can be a top 6 forward for a long time on this team (and I think so), then there can only be a few untouchablrd

Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Dach
Guhle, Xhekaj, Engstrom, Hutson
Habs own 1st round picks

I’d be open minded about anything else

I'd have to be open minded about Xhekaj and Engstrom too.

But I doubt any team would give up a player of a value equivalent to how valuable Xhekaj is to us. For example, for sure I'd do Xhekaj as the main, most valuable piece for Dubois. But the Jets wouldn't do that. They would value Owen Beck more.

 

[MTL-rules]

...Dubios has done nothing in his career to warrant a $9 mill salary...and then the assets we have to throw to the 'Peg on top of that...no...no...f**k no!!...

You don't need to do anything in today's NHL to warrent a big contract... Just look at Suzuki and Caufield... Even worst, the mighty Brendan Gallagher...

 

[JoelWarlord]

So what's his excuse in Winnipeg?

There isn't an "excuse" and there doesn't need to be one. He doesn't want to live there, and didn't want to live in Columbus either. It's not that complicated. Do you live in Winnipeg? If not, why? You could presumably move to Winnipeg right now and find a job in your field just like Dubois has, why do you live where you live and not Winnipeg? What's your excuse?

He didn't have control over who drafted him or where Columbus traded him, why should he be obligated to stay in Winnipeg? Dozens and dozens of players leave their teams as UFAs every year, he's just telling them upfront that he plans to do that next year so they can get something for him instead of losing him for nothing like the Islanders with Tavares.

Once a quitter, always a quitter, that is two teams,

Winners never quit, quitters never win

That's a nice quote for the intro to a business book you'd buy at the airport, but I don't think that's actually true if what Dubois is doing is what makes him a "quitter" in your eyes.

Ryan O'Reilly quit on Colorado and stayed in the KHL after the lockout ended and then didn't sign with them, eventually signing an offer sheet with Calgary that the Avs matched. Then the Avs traded him to Buffalo, and a few years later he quit on them and wanted a trade while going in front of TV cameras talking about how he lost his love for the game. Then he got traded to St. Louis and won a Selke, Conn Smythe, and had a career year leading the Blues to their first ever Stanley Cup.

Matthew Tkachuk signed a bridge deal because he wouldn't commit long term, quit on Calgary with 1 year of RFA status remaining after a 100pt season, told the Flames he wouldn't sign with them, and then gave Calgary a list of 5 or 6 teams he would sign with. It is an identical situation to what Dubois is doing right now. Jack Eichel quit on the Sabres, demanded a trade, refused to get the surgery the Sabres' team doctors wanted, and stayed on the sidelines collecting a ten million dollar salary while making it harder for the Sabres to trade him. Now they're both key forwards for the two teams in the cup final. Sounds like quitters actually do win a fair amount!

Regardless, I have no idea how being upfront with a team that you don't want to sign with them a year later as a UFA is "quitting". Is every player that leaves their team as a UFA a quitter now?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I'm not as high on Schneider as some. Chytil is a good middle 6 center though. Rangers don't have enough space. They probably would need to add Goodrow, and then that becomes a ridiculous trade in favor of Winnipeg.

PLD is uselese to Winnipeg. To get back a replacement in Chytil (with a good salary) and a young top 4 in Schneider for a player that wants out with soon to be UFA. That is daylight robery by Winnipeg.

 

[salbutera]

The rumor is Hughes offered him. (I think it was even LeBrun or Friedman that reported it.

It was Murat Ates the Jets writer for The Athletic who “speculated” that was the offer last summer

 

[SlafySZN]

KH debunked that just the other day...and come on guys, read what was said, it's Basu and the other guy speculating on the $9M.

No it’s not, Basu said he had info, it’s not speculation.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

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7.5 million MAXIMUM. If he's not happy with that he can go somewhere else. He hasn't proven much yet and wants 9 million? NO

 

[Guy Larose]

No it’s not, Basu said he had info, it’s not speculation.

He's trying to save face by saying both...he's never had sources...

 

[Sterling Archer]

So what's his excuse in Winnipeg?



So what's his excuse in Winnipeg?

Winnipeg is so bad, the coach quit. Let that sink in. When was the last time you saw a coach literally quit on his team and is now in the Stanley Cup finals.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

7.5 million MAXIMUM. If he's not happy with that he can go somewhere else. He hasn't proven much yet and wants 9 million? NO

He's proven a lot more than Suzuki and Caufield, and both got more than 7.5M ?

 

[Schooner Guy]

Winnipeg is so bad, the coach quit. Let that sink in. When was the last time you saw a coach literally quit on his team and is now in the Stanley Cup finals.

The reason that long time coach (Maurice) quit is because the core players on that team were not coachable.

Fast forward a year and another long time coach (Bowness) has an unheard of epic rant immediately after elimination about how his "better players" didn't have any pride or pushback down the stretch in the regular season and when facing elimination in the playoffs.

The honeymoon will end quickly if PLD comes here.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

There isn't an "excuse" and there doesn't need to be one. He doesn't want to live there, and didn't want to live in Columbus either. It's not that complicated. Do you live in Winnipeg? If not, why? You could presumably move to Winnipeg right now and find a job in your field just like Dubois has, why do you live where you live and not Winnipeg? What's your excuse?

He didn't have control over who drafted him or where Columbus traded him, why should he be obligated to stay in Winnipeg? Dozens and dozens of players leave their teams as UFAs every year, he's just telling them upfront that he plans to do that next year so they can get something for him instead of losing him for nothing like the Islanders with Tavares.

That's a nice quote for the intro to a business book you'd buy at the airport, but I don't think that's actually true if what Dubois is doing is what makes him a "quitter" in your eyes.

Ryan O'Reilly quit on Colorado and stayed in the KHL after the lockout ended and then didn't sign with them, eventually signing an offer sheet with Calgary that the Avs matched. Then the Avs traded him to Buffalo, and a few years later he quit on them and wanted a trade while going in front of TV cameras talking about how he lost his love for the game. Then he got traded to St. Louis and won a Selke, Conn Smythe, and had a career year leading the Blues to their first ever Stanley Cup.

Matthew Tkachuk signed a bridge deal because he wouldn't commit long term, quit on Calgary with 1 year of RFA status remaining after a 100pt season, told the Flames he wouldn't sign with them, and then gave Calgary a list of 5 or 6 teams he would sign with. It is an identical situation to what Dubois is doing right now. Jack Eichel quit on the Sabres, demanded a trade, refused to get the surgery the Sabres' team doctors wanted, and stayed on the sidelines collecting a ten million dollar salary while making it harder for the Sabres to trade him. Now they're both key forwards for the two teams in the cup final. Sounds like quitters actually do win a fair amount!

Regardless, I have no idea how being upfront with a team that you don't want to sign with them a year later as a UFA is "quitting". Is every player that leaves their team as a UFA a quitter now?

Stop, stop! The man's narrative is already dead

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We made a 200+ page thread on a player whose status isn’t any different than any other player. He would come to Montreal, but we need to pay a premium for him to do so.

That was pretty enlightening. Can we move on from this head case now?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The $9M ask is only part of the problem with what Arpon is reporting. He’s also saying that PLD would accept less money from other teams:

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As do all UFA’s, which begs the question. Where the hell did this thread/idea come from. I said it all along. If he truly wants to be a hab, he will be, but it won’t be at 9m.

I wouldn’t touch him at 9m, in fact, I don’t want to offer him a contract of any amount for any length. Please send him to Phoenix so he can complete his trade request hat trick. Get him away from our youth, we don’t want or need him.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Horvat has had two seasons above 60 points. Horvat is also much less reliant on PP production.

And better defensively.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Ranger fans were very adamant about Schneider being untouchable when the Horvat/Miller talks were in swing with the Canucks. While PLD is arguably a better player than Horvat, he isn't better than Miller. I get he's younger but I really can't see the Rangers wanting to give up Schneider.

This does make me think the Jets have demanded Dach as part of the trade if they're trying for Schneider. Thankfully, it sounds like Hughes is saying no.

Bo Horvat is better at almost everything

 

[OnTheRun]

The reason that long time coach (Maurice) quit is because the core players on that team were not coachable.

Fast forward a year and another long time coach (Bowness) has an unheard of epic rant immediately after elimination about how his "better players" didn't have any pride or pushback down the stretch in the regular season and when facing elimination in the playoffs.

The honeymoon will end quickly if PLD comes here.

I kinda find funny that the Jets' problem was identified in turn as:
1) Evander Kane
2) Patrik Laine
3) PLD

None of those 3 played on the same Jets squad, yet the guys who have been there the -whole- time and are still there today virtually get a free pass in this narrative.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

 

[Habricot]

Rangers, Wild, Stars and Bolts can't afford him. I don't see how Carolina signs him when they got Aho, Terevainen, Necas, Jarvis, and Pesce to resign next year. They also got Slavin (and maybe Burns) for the year after, and Andersen this year. Colorado makes the most sense.

Yes Colorado make sense but do they have the assets to do it. Boston migth have the need and perhaps the assets but not the cap space. NyR migth be the biggest contender if they want to. I am not to concerned about the contract for us. I think between 8 or 8.5AAV would make sense. For the assets to me I would think Dvorak, Harris and our 2nd roundr this year...

 

[Redux91]

I kinda find funny that the Jets' problem was identified in turn as:
1) Evander Kane
2) Patrik Laine
3) PLD

None of those 3 played on the same Jets squad, yet the guys who have been there the -whole- time and are still there today virtually get a free pass in this narrative.

Yeah the witch-hunt is weird honestly
Everybody knows f***ing Scheiffele is the problem
Like what are we doing here lol

Laine FLAT out said Scheiffele and Wheeler were practically bullying him too

 

[Schooner Guy]

I kinda find funny that the Jets' problem was identified in turn as:
1) Evander Kane
2) Patrik Laine
3) PLD

None of those 3 played on the same Jets squad, yet the guys who have been there the -whole- time and are still there today virtually get a free pass in this narrative.

Do you really think Blake Wheeler has been getting a free pass? His captaincy got stripped and he is usually the first one mentioned when the Jets toxic environment gets discussed.

Also, do Kane and PLD deserve any type of pass given their rocky histories in multiple NHL organizations?

 

[OnTheRun]

Do you really think Blake Wheeler has been getting a free pass? His captaincy got stripped and he is usually the first one mentioned when the Jets toxic environment gets discussed.

Also, do Kane and PLD deserve any type of pass given their rocky histories in multiple NHL organizations?

It's all up to you.
I'm just wondering why when looking at a team with a long history of being deeply dysfunctional and an established pattern of alienating the outsiders of the "clique" you decided to single out PLD.