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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes

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Vachon23 said:
Anybody have never negotiate something here ?

When you start the negotiation do you ask for the fair price 1st or you try to get more before getting to the number you really want ? Just take the 1st offer we will make to WPG, it's probably not the one that will get it done. Where probably want to put Kidney before Beck in the deal by exemple but it will finish with Beck

It's the same situation here, PLD is asking for more and it will finish at 8-8.5m
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It depends on how willing you are to walk away. If you are in a position where you can be patient and walk away from the deal then there's nothing wrong with starting with a fair price and sticking with it.
 
WeThreeKings said:
There's so much misinformation out there right now.

Friedman and Marek seem to be pretty set on Dubois to Montreal while the Athletic paints a far different picture.
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My understanding from The Athletic's article is that at least Arpon (and maybe MA) is at the combine right now and got to talk to someone involved with the situation. If I had to put money on it, I'd say it was Brisson because Chevy isn't going to divulge that much info to another team's reporters while Brisson could use it to create external interest and pressures.

I'd say Friedman/Marek and Co. are probably well connected within the league scuttlebutt, but don't have their fingers on the pulse.
 
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The internal cap structure for forwards was literally just set earlier this week. Hughes and Caufield made this very clear. He’s made it clear many times in the past he wants to emulate the Bruins model.

At this stage in the rebuild… why risk the integrity of this plan? Especially with a guy who has displayed questionable character in his career?

In this sense negotiation is simple- he can take Caufield’s contract or leave it. If he really wants to come to Montreal right now, he has to get behind what is being built for the winning window a few years from now. If he wants to get paid, good for him … let someone else write the check.
 
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Smh... You guys know that if Dubois doesn't come here he will go to another team and put up 80+ pts year after year right?

I can pull up all the Eichel threads and it was the same comments

'He is a baby'
'He wants out'

Vegas was smart and got talent, and not they are close to winning a cup.
 
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MM425 said:
The internal cap structure for forwards was literally just set earlier this week. Hughes and Caufield made this very clear. He’s made it clear many times in the past he wants to emulate the Bruins model.

At this stage in the rebuild… why risk the integrity of this plan? Especially with a guy who has displayed questionable character in his career?

In this sense negotiation is simple- he can take Caufield’s contract or leave it. If he really wants to come to Montreal right now, he has to get behind what is being built for the winning window a few years from now. If he wants to get paid, good for him … let someone else write the check.
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KH debunked that just the other day...and come on guys, read what was said, it's Basu and the other guy speculating on the $9M.
 
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Richiebottles said:
Smh... You guys know that if Dubois doesn't come here he will go to another team and put up 80+ pts year after year right?

I can pull up all the Eichel threads and it was the same comments

'He is a baby'
'He wants out'

Vegas was smart and got talent, and not they are close to winning a cup.
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I do agree with the point your trying to make

But Jack Eichel was always a word class player
 
Richiebottles said:
Smh... You guys know that if Dubois doesn't come here he will go to another team and put up 80+ pts year after year right?

I can pull up all the Eichel threads and it was the same comments

'He is a baby'
'He wants out'

Vegas was smart and got talent, and not they are close to winning a cup.
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So you expect a guy who can't outscore Josh Morrisey to continually put up 80+ points? I don't see it, is he going to be playing with Pastrnak.
 
Richiebottles said:
Smh... You guys know that if Dubois doesn't come here he will go to another team and put up 80+ pts year after year right?

I can pull up all the Eichel threads and it was the same comments

'He is a baby'
'He wants out'

Vegas was smart and got talent, and not they are close to winning a cup.
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I wanted Eichel SO bad... Ah well. Sailed ships are sailed ships.
 
Adam Michaels said:
I think everyone here would rather give Kidney over Beck. But personally, I won't hang up the deal because of Beck, even if I'm higher on him than Kidney.

For me, if the Florida 1st is in this deal (which we can agree would most likely be), because it's either 31st or 32nd, then the prospect you give in the deal has to be one of your better ones. Had Florida's pick been the 17th OA, then you can give them one of your lower-tier prospects because the pick is much better.
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...then offer Mesar...really don't wanna lose Beck; he definitely seems like he has an NHL future as a Middle-Six two-way centre...
 
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Ozmodiar said:
Hughes represented Patrice Bergeron and agreed to discounted contracts for his client.

PLD wants to play in Montreal? He should prove it. If anyone should have to, it’s him - after quitting on 2 NHL teams.

The new core earns just under 8 - take it or GTFO, because he’s not worth breaking the internal cap structure. That might come with a UFA or Dach/Slaf/Michkov in a few years, but not now with
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SwiftyHab said:
Hugo would do well to suggest that PLD shouldn't want to hold the title of highest paid player on the team and accept a Caufield-like contract. Media spotlight will already be intense. if he accepts a team-friendly albeit still lucrative contract, he builds a lot of goodwill that he can lean on when times inevitably get tough
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With most families in Canada struggling with runaway inflation, its hard to be sympathetic with anyone earning $8 to $9 million dollars US annually who allegedly will be facing ‘tough’ times.
 
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MM425 said:
The internal cap structure for forwards was literally just set earlier this week. Hughes and Caufield made this very clear. He’s made it clear many times in the past he wants to emulate the Bruins model.

At this stage in the rebuild… why risk the integrity of this plan? Especially with a guy who has displayed questionable character in his career?

In this sense negotiation is simple- he can take Caufield’s contract or leave it. If he really wants to come to Montreal right now, he has to get behind what is being built for the winning window a few years from now. If he wants to get paid, good for him … let someone else write the check.
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That internal Suzuki cap was for player coming off his ELC. It wasn’t for any player or UFA. Doesn’t mean they can’t spend $14M on a player if they wanted to.
 
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Guy Larose said:
KH debunked that just the other day...and come on guys, read what was said, it's Basu and the other guy speculating on the $9M.
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“It’s important to note that Cole wanted to be here. It sends a message to others that good players want to play in Montreal.”

Caufield’s salary falls just under what Canadiens captain Nick Suzuki will make over his own eight-year pact. Hughes said it was important that Suzuki remained the highest-paid forward in the organization.”

This is from a CP article earlier this week.
Caufield in his comments confirmed this as well. Sure he could move the goalposts for PLD. I’m not sure that’s the best look for what he’s trying to build here though.
 
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MM425 said:
The internal cap structure for forwards was literally just set earlier this week. Hughes and Caufield made this very clear. He’s made it clear many times in the past he wants to emulate the Bruins model.

At this stage in the rebuild… why risk the integrity of this plan? Especially with a guy who has displayed questionable character in his career?

In this sense negotiation is simple- he can take Caufield’s contract or leave it. If he really wants to come to Montreal right now, he has to get behind what is being built for the winning window a few years from now. If he wants to get paid, good for him … let someone else write the check.
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I’d rather they sign good players than adhere to a completely arbitrary “Suzuki must be the wealthiest player or bad things” ideology. The goal is to build a team, not be afraid to confuse hab fans with contractual talk.
 
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Naslundforever said:
I’d rather they sign good players than adhere to a completely arbitrary “Suzuki must be the wealthiest player or bad things” ideology. The goal is to build a team, not be afraid to confuse hab fans with contractual talk.
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Having an internal cap structure has worked pretty well for the Bruins over the past decade. Hughes has eluded to this model multiple times in interviews since taking the job. Like it or not, this seems to be a core philosophy of his as he rebuilds the team.
 
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Latest from Athletic: Projecting trade offers for Pierre-Luc Dubois from most likely destinations

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Chytil & Schneider for PLD. Ok, but not great. Also, NYR doesn't have the cap space for PLD. Chytil is not nearly enough to send out cap wise. I can't see NYR doing this.
 
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EveryDay said:
To LA for Vilardi +Matt Roy?

Can we beat that?
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See there is a difference between articles.

Arpon's was a "we're at the combine. This is what we've heard."

This guy's is literally pure opinion and speculation, not stuff he's heard or what may happen. He's giving his subjective opinion on what he thinks teams would have to trade.

Except he only does it for two teams and from us it's the 5th overall and Josh Roy.

Makes no sense.
 
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Richiebottles said:
Smh... You guys know that if Dubois doesn't come here he will go to another team and put up 80+ pts year after year right?

I can pull up all the Eichel threads and it was the same comments

'He is a baby'
'He wants out'

Vegas was smart and got talent, and not they are close to winning a cup.
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No comparison between the two,

Eichel was on a team that never made the playoffs, he had a right to be frustrated,

PLD has quit on two perennial playoff teams,
 
Saundies said:
See there is a difference between articles.

Arpon's was a "we're at the combine. This is what we've heard."

This guy's is literally pure opinion and speculation, not stuff he's heard or what may happen. He's giving his subjective opinion on what he thinks teams would have to trade.

Except he only does it for two teams and from us it's the 5th overall and Josh Roy.

Makes no sense.
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I think Friedman and Marek are a waaaay more credible source. It’s not just their opinions or pure speculation, they actually get info from people on the inside and share that.
 
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Saundies said:
See there is a difference between articles.

Arpon's was a "we're at the combine. This is what we've heard."

This guy's is literally pure opinion and speculation, not stuff he's heard or what may happen. He's giving his subjective opinion on what he thinks teams would have to trade.

Except he only does it for two teams and from us it's the 5th overall and Josh Roy.

Makes no sense.
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Honestly I have never seen a rumor provide by Arpon Basu that came true.

However, I think this article is from Murat Ates, a Winnipeg writers.
 
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