Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Kudo Shinichi]

People weren't happy about the Romanov trade? I was ecstatic and the fans all went nuts when they announced it at the draft.

A lot of people were pissed to get Dach when they could've picked Nazar with that pick

 

[JoelWarlord]

People weren't happy about the Romanov trade? I was ecstatic and the fans all went nuts when they announced it at the draft.

It was really contentious around here man, people were convinced Dach was a total bust with a bum wrist made of broken glass and lots were VERY upset we didn't take Nazar with that pick instead.

There were a lot of people in the thread about his contract extension who thought his 4x3.62M contract was some gross overpay. It was truly bizarre.

 

[Mikah]

PLD still has full control of what will happen.

Since he has yet to sign a long term contract, any team that will be interested will be very careful. That can be a major turnoff for any team willing to offer something serious, because he could decide to just sign for a year and be UFA afterwards. They will want some guaranties that he will sign long term, and he could just say that he would not sign with a specific team.

If Montreal really is his dream destination, he can easily make it happen.

I don't think money (higher taxes or higher salary) is really a decision factor here. He already earned 29.6M in his career, so an 8 or 9M contract for eight years will not really make any difference in his life. Whether you earned 93 or 102M at the end of your career, your life will pretty much be the same. So you may as well enjoy the next 8 years instead of going to a nightmare for a couple more millions.

So I guess we will see what he really wants to do, but honestly, I am not sure they should invest too much in such an attitude. You don't win with that kind of guys.

 

[Habs Halifax]

PLD still has full control of what will happen.

Since he has yet to sign a long term contract, any team that will be interested will be very careful. That can be a major turnoff for any team willing to offer something serious, because he could decide to just sign for a year and be UFA afterwards. They will want some guaranties that he will sign long term, and he could just say that he would not sign with a specific team.

If Montreal really is his dream destination, he can easily make it happen.

I don't think money (higher taxes or higher salary) is really a decision factor here. He already earned 29.6M in his career, so an 8 or 9M contract for eight years will not really make any difference in his life. Whether you earned 93 or 102M at the end of your career, your life will pretty much be the same. So you may as well enjoy the next 8 years instead of going to a nightmare for a couple more millions.

So I guess we will see what he really wants to do, but honestly, I am not sure they should invest too much in such an attitude. You don't win with that kind of guys.

Taxes in NY is pretty much the same as it is in Montreal. So yeah, The Horvat trade is a very good comparable. Horvat got 8x $8.5M with $0 signing bonus money. Habs can offer signing bonus structure with Dubois and maybe we get the AAV down around $8M (close to Suzuki). Horvat and Dubois are very close in value on the ice and Horvat just signed his contract.

What does it take to trade for him? Not sure but Jets don't have much leverage. Anybody trading for Dubois will want to send a NHL contract IMO. So that logical one is Dvorak and and then maybe it's the Panthers 1st and Beck. That's as far as I go... my max offer and of course you start lower than that. Fans will say no to Beck but I'm OK with it because our center depth after the trade will be Suzuki, Dubois, Dach, and possibly W Smith if we draft him.

If not Dvorak as the NHL contract. Maybe Armia, Hoffman, Allen, or Eddy. Jets are not getting a Dach quality in a Dubois trade (proven young player already in the NHL).

 

[OldCraig71]

Suzuki and Caufield got long-term deals from the Canadiens which addressed future potential and cost certainty and with the cap growing in a season or two made sense for both parties. PLD has 7 NHL seasons under his belt with a career-high of 63 points, so is the 9 million about past performance or future potential or is it just greed? He is what he is after 434 games in the NHL and to pay 9 million for that? Let him go elsewhere and cash in, this team is rebuilding and doesn't need him at this stage of the process.

 

[sampollock]

if PLD gets a offer for long term at 9 mill, now way he is a hab , sad to say

some team may offer that

 

[Habs Halifax]

It was really contentious around here man, people were convinced Dach was a total bust with a bum wrist made of broken glass and lots were VERY upset we didn't take Nazar with that pick instead.

There were a lot of people in the thread about his contract extension who thought his 4x3.62M contract was some gross overpay. It was truly bizarre.

Some fans think in a rebuild, that you hit with all your picks. The fact that some fans thought Nazar was better value than Dach proves they don't know much.

Lets face it, we are talking about a minority of fans who wanted Nazar over Dach.

if PLD gets a offer for long term at 9 mill, now way he is a hab , sad to say

some team may offer that

The tricky part to this is who on Dubois's list of teams he would sign for 8 years has the cap space and futures to trade to get him?

Some teams may offer $9M yeah but are those teams on his list? Circumstance is a huge factor in the Dubois trade.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Suzuki and Caufield got long-term deals from the Canadiens which addressed future potential and cost certainty and with the cap growing in a season or two made sense for both parties. PLD has 7 NHL seasons under his belt with a career-high of 63 points, so is the 9 million about past performance or future potential or is it just greed? He is what he is after 434 games in the NHL and to pay 9 million for that? Let him go elsewhere and cash in, this team is rebuilding and doesn't need him at this stage of the process.

I personally don't see Dubois getting more than Hintz, Larkin, Horvat who all signed contracts within the last year. If Dubois is dead set on $9M or more, let him try with other teams. Good luck.

8x $8-$8.5M is the right range and Habs have an option on signing bonus structure. Larkin and Horvat didn't get any and Hintz got some but not much. If the Habs offer 50% or more of the contract paid as signing bonus structure, I have confidence we can get him in the $8M - $8.5M range.

 

[OldCraig71]

I personally don't see Dubois getting more than Hintz, Larkin, Horvat who all signed contracts within the last year. If Dubois is dead set on $9M or more, let him try with other teams. Good luck.

8x $8-$8.5M is the right range and Habs have an option on signing bonus structure. Larkin and Horvat didn't get any and Hintz got some but not much. If the Habs offer 50% or more of the contract paid as signing bonus structure, I have confidence we can get him in the $8M - $8.5M range.

The Jets are rumored to be looking to make a hockey trade and take into account what they will expect in return plus the money we will need to pay him. We are rebuilding and it would be foolish to trade away picks and or prospects at this stage of the game. If this were 2-3 years from now it's a different story. Why give up an Owen Beck or some other player right now? Let him go elsewhere and request a trade out of there in a couple of years rather than here.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Jets are rumored to be looking to make a hockey trade and take into account what they will expect in return plus the money we will need to pay him. We are rebuilding and it would be foolish to trade away picks and or prospects at this stage of the game. If this were 2-3 years from now it's a different story. Why give up an Owen Beck or some other player right now? Let him go elsewhere and request a trade out of there in a couple of years rather than here.

Dubois for Dvorak, Beck, and Panthers 1st
is not much different than
Romanov+ for Dach.

Why? Dubois is less than 1 year older than Suzuki and 2.5 years older than Dach. He fits this core and finding a physical center like that who can add offense is not easy to find.

If Dubois was age 28+, I'd agree with you. But he's very young and there are no guarantees Beck and Panthers 1st will be top 6F or top 4D.

Suzuki, Dubois, Dach, and possibly W Smith would be very good center depth after trading Beck.

Also, Dvorak, Beck, Panthers 1st is a high point. For all I know, the cost to acquire is less or much less. On HF boards, if you post a low end offer, it gets nit picked.

 

[Colezuki]

I said

RHP, beck(or mesar / kidney), the worse of the Cgy mtl picks in 2024 and a 4th

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Bo Horvat had 31 goals in 49-games when he signed that extension.

In no way, shape or form is that "comparable" to Dubois.

Don’t be disingenuous, that was a complete one off, in a contract year, before hitting UFA.

If you want to go that route - Horvat has only had one season where he had over 60 points while PLD has had 3, and he’s 5 years younger.

 

[Habricot]

I thought he did it in junior also but someone on here said he didn't

He was traded yes. He did not ask to be traded.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Don’t be disingenuous, that was a complete one off, in a contract year, before hitting UFA.

If you want to go that route - Horvat has only had one season where he had over 60 points while PLD has had 3, and he’s 5 years younger.

Horvat has had two seasons above 60 points. Horvat is also much less reliant on PP production.

 

[FerrisRox]

Don’t be disingenuous, that was a complete one off, in a contract year, before hitting UFA.

If you want to go that route - Horvat has only had one season where he had over 60 points while PLD has had 3, and he’s 5 years younger.

How on earth am I being disingenuous? Horvat signed his deal mid-season and that's exactly the totals he had when he signed it.

Dubois has never been anywhere close to that.

 

[Habricot]

I said

RHP, beck(or mesar / kidney), the worse of the Cgy mtl picks in 2024 and a 4th

Dvorak, Harris and a cgy's 1st in 2024 (or Beck)

 

[Runner77]

The $9M ask is only part of the problem with what Arpon is reporting. He’s also saying that PLD would accept less money from other teams:

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So the team that PLD supposedly has as his first choice by a significant margin is also one from whom he wouldn’t accept to play for less money.

This is getting better and better.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

How on earth am I being disingenuous? Horvat signed his deal mid-season and that's exactly the totals he had when he signed it.

Dubois has never been anywhere close to that.

And you think he was paid for 8 years based upon one half season of production?

Horvat has had two seasons above 60 points.

You’re right, that’s my mistake.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[BaseballCoach]

If Hughes has to pay 8 x $9M, I'm hoping we are NOT getting him this summer at the cost of assets to boot.

I was consistent all along. If Dubois comes in at maximum Suzuki money, I'd trade a small package of non-core assets for him (i.e., not our top 3, not our own 2023 1st, not Dach, Guhle, Barron, Mailloux, Hutson, Farrell or Slaf).

When a player actually states he would take less to go to a contender than to Montreal, it is time to put things off, at least until we are a contender and/or the player shows he is a 75 point player or more.

This may just be a rumour, but if Hughes hears it from Brisson directly, pack it up.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

Dubois wants 9 million lmao! NO

Keep away. We don't need him.

 

[waitin425]

I said

RHP, beck(or mesar / kidney), the worse of the Cgy mtl picks in 2024 and a 4th

Oh sure, add even more conditions to that Calgary pick! lol

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Dubios has done nothing in his career to warrant a $9 mill salary...and then the assets we have to throw to the 'Peg on top of that...no...no...f**k no!!...

 

[The Great Weal]

Rangers, Wild, Stars and Bolts can't afford him. I don't see how Carolina signs him when they got Aho, Terevainen, Necas, Jarvis, and Pesce to resign next year. They also got Slavin (and maybe Burns) for the year after, and Andersen this year. Colorado makes the most sense.

 

[morhilane]

That list of teams is somewhat funny to me. One pundit said that Dubois wanted to play in a big city/big market because he likes the finer things they offers...and they think he wants to move to St-Paul Minnesota?

Even Raleigh and Tampa aren't exactly big cities/market.