Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[larek]

He’s not coming here, it’s even more obvious now. Talking about tears, hope your tissues are ready because you seems really attached to the idea of this guy playing here.

Not at all -- your exaggerating just a little bit lol- adding we are talking about a 60 point player - come on

 

[sandviper]

It is a reality they might even without PLD with a full season of Matheson Suzuki Caufield and Dach.

I hope they get Dubois, but with that 17th overall pick gone I don't think Habs have a chance. Rangers can just offer Lafreniere and bunch other young roster players where Montreal can't afford to give any youth. Maybe if they are high on Farrell.

It’d probably cost the Rangers at least Chytil as a start. Laf doesn’t hold enough value.

 

[morhilane]

It would be hilarious if no team accept Dubois for 8 years at $8m+ for whatever the Jets request as return and he stuck signing a 1 year contract with the Jets to be traded at the deadline.

 

[MolleSon]

No to PLD at 9m$. Come on... He's not worth it. Yes we need talent. Yes we need size. What we don't need is an overpaid prima donna. Keep up the rebuild. Slowly but surely

 

[larek]

If he reaches open market, very good chance he gets 9+ depending on what other players are available. That’s just the way a market works. Value is no longer intrinsic but relative. Teams will def want him. Someone will pay. If he’s extended or traded, different story. It’s a single team negotiating terms based on actual value.

He will be traded -

 

[CHwest]

Nine million, quit on two teams...... Red flags of entitlement but his fans march bravely on.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Nine million, quit on two teams...... Red flags of entitlement but his fans march bravely on.

Seriously, we need to give this a lot less attention. If he really wants to come here, see ya in July 2024!!

 

[26Mats]

That change everything !

I get the feeling Dubois would take Suzuki money on an 8 year deal. But, that would be an important conversation between the Subois clan an KH before any trade can happen.

 

[hvac412]

I can see Carolina overpaying.

 

[26Mats]

Nine million, quit on two teams...... Red flags of entitlement but his fans march bravely on.

Is asking to be traded from 2 small market teams really that different than what players like Matthew Tkachuk, Panarin, etc... have done with one team?

Just like them, he wants to play where he wants to play. And the internal dynamics in Winnipeg are a mess right now.

I think he would be a good secondary piece for us, at around 7.5M AAV.

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I can see Carolina overpaying.

Or New York or even Chicago.

Does Carolina offer Seth Jarvis, or Necas?
Does NY offer K'Andre Miller, Braden Schneider, Lafreniere, and/or Kakko in a package?

 

[hvac412]

Try telling it to Franco networks where they seem to hang on his every word.

Unlike Flynn and many other pundits, the guy actually won something. Some of his commentary offers points of view that just can’t be had from other local media (like his takes on the KHL). Like anything else, it has to be consumed responsibly.

Listening to Hartley and Paul Houde is more effective than nightime Nyquil zzzz..

 

[salbutera]

I get the feeling Dubois would take Suzuki money on an 8 year deal. But, that would be an important conversation between the Subois clan an KH before any trade can happen.

PLD cannot be given NMC - that has to be an absolute by HuGo

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Alright, some decent sized bombshells in this article by Apon Basu and MA Godin on The Athletic: What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

If you don't have a subscription, it basically boils down to this:

- Jets aren't going to go to arb with PLD. He will be traded before summer's done.

EDIT: (Forgot to mention -- they want to get it done before the draft if possible)

- PLD will submit a list of 5-6 teams he'll sign long-term with and the Jets will facilitate that, and the Habs are going to be a team on that list. The Jets will then sign him to an 8 year deal based on the contract he negotiates with said team and trade him to that team (because he can't get 8 years with anyone but WIN).

- PLD would want more money to go to a "rebuilding team" over a contender and is said to want in the avenue of 9 million a year using Barzal, Hintz, and Matt Tkachuk as comparables.

- PLD considers himself a C but the position he plays won't be a factor in where he goes.

- Jets will want established NHLers in any return.

Based on ALL OF THIS info, now that it has clearly become a 5-6 team race, I do not want any part of PLD now. He is going to cost way too much money in both assets and cap for what he brings.

I continue to be uninterested in PLD at 9+M$.

Really hoping some other team trades for him soon and ends this thread (after the lingering thread withdrawal process).

 

[FerrisRox]

Is asking to be traded from 2 small market teams really that different than what players like Matthew Tkachuk, Panarin, etc... have done with one team?

I don't understand what you're asking here.

Are you really asking if doing it twice is different than doing it once?

Yes, it's enormously different.

And he's done it three times, going back to Junior.

Once is once, three times is a pattern.

 

[FrankMTL]

I wouldn't mind giving Dubois the same contract as Caufield at 7.85...But not a penny more.

 

[FerrisRox]

The rumor is Hughes offered him. (I think it was even LeBrun or Friedman that reported it.

What!?!? Where did you see a "rumour" that Josh Anderson was offered in a trade for Dubois?

 

[FerrisRox]

Bo Horvat, a comparable player and 4 years older, got an 8.5 x 8 year deal.

Bo Horvat had 31 goals in 49-games when he signed that extension.

In no way, shape or form is that "comparable" to Dubois.

 

[FerrisRox]

That comment of him as a third liner... You really wonder how these morons ever got to the NHL.

Dubois would clearly have been the third line center on the Avalanche last year.

I'm not saying Hartley is a genius, but if Dubois is playing center, he would be hard-pressed to be a a first or second line center on a Stanley Cup champion calibre team.

 

[waitin425]

If Dubois wants 9 mil....he should take a 2-3 year bridge somewhere and play his way up to 9 million. I want this guy big time, but if he is signing somewhere today he doesn't deserve a penny more than 8 million. I would give him 8 years at that price. That is the ceiling for me. My hope is he comes here at the Caufield rate and cements Suzuki's contract as the new upper limit for the Habs.

In 5-6 years we could have a bunch of players (assuming they earn it, all making around that price)

Suzuki
Caufield
PLD
Slaf
Guhle

5 players at around 39 million per year (in an increased cap climate) is far better than the Leafs current 4 players at around 40.5 million.

I love the structure of a team with legit players all earning equal money as opposed to a few prima donna superstars chewing up disproportionate amounts of cap space.

Edit.....Add in Hutson at the same price by then and we are still at around 47 million. 6 players at 47 million. With Reilly the Leafs are at 5 players at 48 million. Not having those huge 10+ contracts is so important.

Double Edit.....Forgot about Dach. Give him that price too. 7 players at 55 million in an increased Cap climate. Assuming all those players earn it, I love it.

Back to my original point. Suzuki is a cap ceiling at this point. No one goes above him, unless they are Connor McDavid.

 

[Saundies]

Dubois would clearly have been the third line center on the Avalanche last year.

I'm not saying Hartley is a genius, but if Dubois is playing center, he would be hard-pressed to be a a first or second line center on a Stanley Cup champion calibre team.

What about on Vegas? Florida?

I don't think PLD is a world-beater or a clear #1 C but let's not pretend he's not at least a 2C. It's easy to be like "He would be on the Pens! The Leafs!" Yeah, because both of those teams have two #1s as their Cs. It's a luxury most teams don't get, so it's not fair to use that as the standard. He's the #2 C on both teams in the Finals this year.

Dubois comes here and is our #1B when Suzuki is slumping or injured. Or Dach emerges and Dubois or him shift to wing. Not a bad problem to have.

Again, my position is that he's worth too much (in assets and cap) to acquire, but let's not pretend he's a 3C.

 

[eklund the clown]

I don't understand what you're asking here.

Are you really asking if doing it twice is different than doing it once?

Yes, it's enormously different.

And he's done it three times, going back to Junior.

Once is once, three times is a pattern.

I thought he did it in junior also but someone on here said he didn't

 

[Captain97]

“On a Stanley Cup team, Dubois is a 3rd line player.” - Bob Hartley

Did Bob just have a Norman Flynn moment?

I feel like these older journalists are still looking at 80's number and are like 50-65 points is what 3rd liners put up I my day.

Can’t wait for this thread to be locked.

I want PLD on the Habs, go back to 2016. I wanted him at the draft. But goddamn I want this thread over.

 

[Wats]

It’d probably cost the Rangers at least Chytil as a start. Laf doesn’t hold enough value.

If Laf's value isn't that high, Montreal should definitely try to get him too at the draft. He's another potential Romanov/Dach type flip.

Habs don't have a Chytil to offer unfortunately.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Is asking to be traded from 2 small market teams really that different than what players like Matthew Tkachuk, Panarin, etc... have done with one team?

Just like them, he wants to play where he wants to play. And the internal dynamics in Winnipeg are a mess right now.

I think he would be a good secondary piece for us, at around 7.5M AAV.


Or New York or even Chicago.

Does Carolina offer Seth Jarvis, or Necas?
Does NY offer K'Andre Miller, Braden Schneider, Lafreniere, and/or Kakko in a package?

Bringing up what markets he’s played for is an excuse. He’s not the only player on planet earth to get drafted or play for those two teams. What he’s doing right now with Winnipeg is ridiculous. And what he did to force a trade with Columbus was just as embarrassing. If we acquire him, it’s just a matter of time before he’s crying about the tabloids.

 

[Vachon23]

it’s just a matter of time before he’s crying about the tabloids.

Are you saying the same thing with Adam Fox in NYR ?

Because he force trade from 2 teams before even playing 1 game in the NHL