Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Rapala]

Media is eating in Pat Brisson’s hands, its crazy. No wonder he’s a power agent. He’d make a great Hockey Ops prez.

All the rumours and speculation, don’t look farther than the guy frim LA. He was a pretty good junior player and became a great business person.

Yeah this thing has his fingerprints all over it going back to the draft.

 

[salbutera]

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Starting at 30:40

Friedman: “Jets are trying to create a market but you have to convince me there’s someone other than Mtl…. “

Marek:”there’s no #2, it goes from Mtl to #3”

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

That he got his ass whipped by younger players one being a raw rookie in the second round makes no sense. Caufied and Suzuki were part of our top line what was Dubois for the Jets and in what way did he prove to be the superior player? Take your time I'll be here.

Imagine using team success and small sample sizes to compare players.

If I were to use your logic, Dubois > McDavid and Draisaitl because the jets swept the oilers that same year lol.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

No to PLD at 9m$. Come on... He's not worth it. Yes we need talent. Yes we need size. What we don't need is an overpaid prima donna. Keep up the rebuild. Slowly but surely

I don't think anyone on this board wants Dubois at 9m. He's not even a first center to begin with

The $9M ask is only part of the problem with what Arpon is reporting. He’s also saying that PLD would accept less money from other teams:

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Slightly less equals 8.666m for 8 years
Bad teams equals 9m for 8years

Like it matters at this point

 

[ReginaHabs]

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Starting at 30:40

Friedman: “Jets are trying to create a market but you have to convince me there’s someone other than Mtl…. “

Marek:”there’s no #2, it goes from Mtl to #3”

The contrast between this and what Arpon / Murat Ates are saying is super interesting.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Winnipeg is so bad, the coach quit. Let that sink in. When was the last time you saw a coach literally quit on his team and is now in the Stanley Cup finals.

When Laine left , he hated the core of the team and called them toxic. Scheifele is a part of that problem and Hellby could also be one.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

What? Armia was great in the playoffs

Oh yeah the game he scored 2 goals then went MIA

Clearly that 4th liner deserved that fat contract showing up 3 games in 22

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Media is eating in Pat Brisson’s hands, its crazy. No wonder he’s a power agent. He’d make a great Hockey Ops prez.

All the rumours and speculation, don’t look farther than the guy frim LA. He was a pretty good junior player and became a great business person.

Don't worry the guy that he's trying to sell his bullshit managed to scam Edmonton to signing Nurse at 9.5m.

Hugues knows better. Thus why he offered and didn't add since last draft.

 

[Rapala]

Imagine using team success and small sample sizes to compare players.

If I were to use your logic, Dubois > McDavid and Draisaitl because the jets swept the oilers that same year lol.

Jesus dude it's the entire body of work. You explain to me how Dubois is the superior player. Is he the better goal scorer? Not really 28 is his high water mark playing with some high end talent. Is he a better play maker and puck handler? NO. Is he a better points producer NO. Is he a better defensive player debateable. He skates better than Suzuki but not Caufield. We also give him an edge in physicality. You are the one who claims he has proven he's better than Suzuki and Caufield I'm simply calling BS. As for using head to head matchups in the most important games I don't give a shit about Draisaitl and McDavid you specifically said Caufield and Suzuki and yes they do matter regardless of sample size. So far Dubois has not proven to be a better team mate and does not "take care of the team" Something MSL stresses every chance he gets.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Jesus dude it's the entire body of work. You explain to me how Dubois is the superior player. Is he the better goal scorer? Not really 28 is his high water mark playing with some high end talent. Is he a better play maker and puck handler? NO. Is he a better points producer NO. Is he a better defensive player debateable. He skates better than Suzuki but not Caufield. We also give him an edge in physicality. You are the one who claims he has proven he's better than Suzuki and Caufield I'm simply calling BS. As for using head to head matchups in the most important games I don't give a shit about Draisaitl and McDavid you specifically said Caufield and Suzuki and yes they do matter regardless of sample size. So far Dubois has not proven to be a better team mate and does not "take care of the team" Something MSL stresses every chance he gets.

I don't understand how you need more proof than this to recognize who the more proven player is when signing their contract

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[SlafySZN]

Imagine using team success and small sample sizes to compare players.

If I were to use your logic, Dubois > McDavid and Draisaitl because the jets swept the oilers that same year lol.

If i need a goal in a game, i’d take Caufield 100% of the time without even a thought over Dubois for sure. Sorry.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Bo Horvat is better at almost everything

Ehhh, I'd agree if he returns to his Canucks showing this season and not how he's played on the Islanders.

 

[Rapala]

I don't understand how you need more proof than this to recognize who the more proven player is when signing their contract

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LMFAO
What does this prove other than Dubois can't break the 63 point barrier with superior linemates. Both Suzuki and Caufield are trending upwards and have not hit their peak yet and were paid in accordance. Dubois is not progressing and has been criticized more than once by more than 1 coach. Funny we hear nothing but accolades for our two young guns.

 

[Belial]

LMFAO
What does this prove other than Dubois can't break the 63 point barrier with superior linemates. Both Suzuki and Caufield are trending upwards and have not hit their peak yet and were paid in accordance. Dubois is not progressing and has been criticized more than once by more than 1 coach. Funny we hear nothing but accolades for our two young guns.

Do you really think Dubois hit his peak and is going down from now on?

His 63P in 73GP is better than what Suzuki did this year in terms of PPG...

I don't understand the pushback when it comes to this guy.

I'll take him on my team 24/7!

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

LMFAO
What does this prove other than Dubois can't break the 63 point barrier with superior linemates. Both Suzuki and Caufield are trending upwards and have not hit their peak yet and were paid in accordance. Dubois is not progressing and has been criticized more than once by more than 1 coach. Funny we hear nothing but accolades for our two young guns.

Lol. A player who scored 60 pts isn't more proven than a player who scored 40 pts? Not gonna waste time debating with you.

 

[Belial]

Would you be willing to include Beck in a trade for PLD?

 

[HuGort]

Would you be willing to include Beck in a trade for PLD?

Straight up? For sure. It's no brainer. If Dubois clicks under Marty he be a star. Low gamble. Beck was 2nd round pick, projected bottom 6 center. They easily attainable.

If it's part of a package? Depends on what else is in it?

 

[Belial]

Straight up? For sure. It's no brainer. If Dubois clicks under Marty he be a star. Low gamble. Beck was 2nd round pick, projected bottom 6 center. They easily attainable.

If it's part of a package? Depends on what else is in it?

I know some posters around here wouldn't include Beck in a trade so that's why I decided to create this poll.

 

[Kimota]

I wished Dubois would not have asked for demands right away. So he would have kept negotiating with the Jets then come July 1 boom we give him an offer sheet for one year. It doesn't matter if they match, they can't trade him. And next year he comes home.

 

[Belial]

I wished Dubois would not have asked for demands right away. So he would have kept negotiating with the Jets then come July 1 boom we give him an offer sheet for one year. It doesn't matter if they match, they can't trade him. And next year he comes home.

Dubois actually made a grateful move... Winterpeg can work now...

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Would you be willing to include Beck in a trade for PLD?

If Dubois signs a long term deal at Suzuki/Caufield money then yes. If not then It is hard to get excited about a player with a career high of 63 points who has forced his way out of the only two organizations that he has played for and to then consider making him the highest paid player on the team. If he truly wants to play in Montreal then he can prove it by falling into line with regards to our salary structure.

 

[Belial]

I think it was worthy of a thread...

Would've been nice to see how many are ready to sacrifice a guy like Beck.

If Dubois signs a long term deal at Suzuki/Caufield money then yes. If not then It is hard to get excited about a player with a career high of 63 points who has forced his way out of the only two organizations that he has played for and to then consider making him the highest paid player on the team. If he truly wants to play in Montreal then he can prove it by falling into line with regards to our salary structure.

We got censored mate! welcome to 2023!

 

[MrNasty]

I think its absolutely idiotic to not try to get Dubois. It is so rare that a top line player wants to come to this team; you jump when this happens.
I keep hearing that we need to keep adding younger assets but in reality we have too many in the system right now. If we don’t start using assets to upgrade for top line players then we will lose them for nothing because quite frankly there is no room for them.
I agree the 5th OA and our top players are off the table but we still have plenty to offer.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I don't think Dubois is that player though. That's how you give players leverage later. I would use Gallagher as a comparable if I'm any player with over 30 points.

He may or may not be. The post was meant to clarify the salary situation in Montreal and explain Suzuki’s contract is not an absolute bar. They can go higher for any player they want to pay it to.

 

[Habricot]

Jesus dude it's the entire body of work. You explain to me how Dubois is the superior player. Is he the better goal scorer? Not really 28 is his high water mark playing with some high end talent. Is he a better play maker and puck handler? NO. Is he a better points producer NO. Is he a better defensive player debateable. He skates better than Suzuki but not Caufield. We also give him an edge in physicality. You are the one who claims he has proven he's better than Suzuki and Caufield I'm simply calling BS. As for using head to head matchups in the most important games I don't give a shit about Draisaitl and McDavid you specifically said Caufield and Suzuki and yes they do matter regardless of sample size. So far Dubois has not proven to be a better team mate and does not "take care of the team" Something MSL stresses every chance he gets.

Guys why does he need to be better then Suzuki. He is different and also different then Dach. That is exactly what makes the situation interresting. He is only a year older then Suzuki. To me acquiring PLD gives us 3 potential 1st line center. Or 3 grade A 2nd line center. Nothing wrong with that.