Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[salbutera]

For what’s it’s worth, Marc dumont in his mailbag said the habs are deadly serious about PLD BUT also deadly serious to put his intent to play in Montreal to the test.

They will not sacrifice any piece that they consider important to the young core including draft picks or prospects and if he wants to play here, he will find a way.

I am almost repeating word for word what he said.

I’m going to be VERY greedy here.

The Canadiens should not offer any more than their late first-round pick in 2023 for Dubois.

Is it fair?

Probably not.

Should Jets fans be annoyed at the proposal?

Absolutely.

But this isn’t about being fair, it’s about asset management.

The Canadiens have no reason to pony up quality assets. The Jets have no leverage when it comes to trade negotiations between the two teams.

They could threaten to trade Dubois to another club, which may end up being the best decision on their part, but again, the Canadiens can simply sit back and wait for the Jets to make their decision as the clock is ticking.

Either they trade him to the Habs for a moderate return, or they trade him to another team, in which case, negotiations start anew.

I also feel like Canadiens fans severely underrated Jordan Harris, who was probably their best rookie defenceman last season. Kaiden Guhle had a much tougher role to play, but there’s no denying Harris produced the best numbers, and he was not sheltered as some have suggested.

Given how many teams have shown interest in Josh Anderson, I wouldn’t include him in a deal, either, unless it was a one-for-one situation, and Dubois agrees to sign a reasonable contract extension.

Again, I am being incredibly greedy, but that’s what it takes to win in the NHL. Bold, yet calculated decisions.

 

[sandviper]

That isn’t the case. Suzuki cap was for coming off ELC. It’s not a team cap and Habs can and hopefully will go over it for even higher end talent. RFA does not equal UFA years bought.

100% Habs should go over Suzuki’s contract for higher end talent.

I’ll stand by this statement though and say I don’t think PLD is that type of talent. He and Suzuki are the same tier of player IMO.

 

[Sterling Archer]

100% Habs should go over Suzuki’s contract for higher end talent.

I’ll stand by this statement though and say I don’t think PLD is that type of talent. He and Suzuki are the same tier of player IMO.

I agree but with PLD you’re buying all UFA years whereas with Suzuki they were mostly RFA years and less expensive as they’re club controlled years. Similar players but different contract situations. PLD comps are all in the $8M range which is where I think he ends up.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

For what’s it’s worth, Marc dumont in his mailbag said the habs are deadly serious about PLD BUT also deadly serious to put his intent to play in Montreal to the test.

They will not sacrifice any piece that they consider important to the young core including draft picks or prospects and if he wants to play here, he will find a way.

I am almost repeating word for word what he said.

This is what I expect from Hughes.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

That’s the right attitude for HuGo.

Now here’s Florida’s 1st, Kidney, and Dvorak

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I would take it and go. Running back home laughting. Be torturing myself not laughing on front of HuGo.
Flo 1st could possibly becoming better than PLD by small margin.

If the Dubois deal isn't happening, I hope there will be "something" in the next 2 years to reward the fans who waited some time long to endure a losing team. If there is better than Dubois, they have to make it happen.

 

[Gustave]

I can’t ever recall a time when Friedman has ever put probabilities on player movement (95%), and he seems to be doubling down on that stance “you have to convince me there’s someone other than Mtl”

Also people don't give a f*** about Mario Langlois on the french side but he's beating that drum for what; 3 or 4 years now? PLD is a "when" not an "if", according to him. Hint is that his source is ... PLD himself. So it's not like it's out of nowhere.

Anyway, it's on Hughes. He won't get bent over in a trade nor the money. He gauges situations accordingly, he's been doing so all his professional life.

 

[EveryDay]

Also people don't give a f*** about Mario Langlois on the french side but he's beating that drum for what; 3 or for years now? PLD is a "when" not an "if", according to him. Hint is that his source is ... PLD himself. So it's not like it's out of nowhere.

Anyway, it's on Hughes. He won't get bent over in a trade nor the money. He gadges situations accordingly, he's been doing so all his professional life.

It's going to be 8x 8-8.5, it's pretty much his value.

Panthers 1st will be part of the deal for sure but no idea what else, I kinda expected Beck to be in too.

 

[BLONG7]

I would take it and go. Running back home laughting. Be torturing myself not laughing on front of HuGo.
Flo 1st could possibly becoming better than PLD by small margin.

If the Dubois deal isn't happening, I hope there will be "something" in the next 2 years to reward the fans who waited some time long to endure a losing team. If there is better than Dubois, they have to make it happen.

PLD deal could expediate the process....................just not at all costs...

 

[salbutera]

It's going to be 8x 8-8.5, it's pretty much his value.

Panthers 1st will be part of the deal for sure but no idea what else, I kinda expected Beck to be in too.

To sign players for UFAs contracts, there’s a premium that needs to be paid by Mtl, with only exception being bonus structuring for US residents which PLD qualifies for given his offseason homes in Michigan (lakes region) and Florida.

That ability to structure the contract with heavy bonus as in say the Aho offer sheet of upwards of $30M cash payout within a 12-24 month span most of it with reduced tax payout is an enormous advantage vs other suitors… and also to help manage actual Habs AAV ..

 

[HomaridII]

 

[HuGo Sham]

thank God this is getting resolved in the next 2-3 weeks.
Imagine he goes to the canes lol

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

It's going to be 8x 8-8.5, it's pretty much his value.

Panthers 1st will be part of the deal for sure but no idea what else, I kinda expected Beck to be in too.

8 x 7,8 ?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

thank God this is getting resolved in the next 2-3 weeks.
Imagine he goes to the canes lol

Imagine a team with only ex players of the Hab : KK, Domi, Chariot, Toffoli, Eller, Galchenyuk, Ribeiro, Cammaleri, McCarron, Tinordi, Halak, etc. Just to haunt us every time we meet them. All Ex working their @sses for the games they plays againts us, lol. And on top of it PLD who wanted to come but never did. Angryer than the others.

 

[Destopcorner]

8 x 7,8 ?

Exactly what I see. The guys doesn't care about some 100ks more as shown by accepting is QO last year even tho he deserved more. Pat Brisson is just doing his job right now but at the end of the day PLD decides where he plays... And his first 2 choices are here. Some need to let that sink in,

 

[Jaynki]

Stop quoting this guy. He is a fraud.

 

[BergevinBurner]

thank God this is getting resolved in the next 2-3 weeks.

That's what we all thought last summer too.

Guaranteed they don't trade him so this thread goes on all summer, then they sign him to another 1 year deal right before the season starts.

 

[DAChampion]

Not gonna happen for 2 simple reasons:

He could get injured and the return becomes 0... Winnipeg GM can't take that risk for a marginal better return than at the draft.

Team would be crazy to accept such a distraction knowing damn well he will be traded in March.

He's gone this summer, book it.

A lot of teams have held on to expiring UFAs with the hope of one last playoff run. It's equivalent to taking on a rental.

The Habs did it recently with Danault and Tatar.

 

[beowulf]

If he truly wants $9M then ya no thanks hope the Habs stay far away from him, he is not worth that.

 

[Destopcorner]

A lot of teams have held on to expiring UFAs with the hope of one last playoff run. It's equivalent to taking on a rental.

The Habs did it recently with Danault and Tatar.

Danault and Tatar didn't announce they wanna leave town before the season start tho. And one could believe they'd want to sign here as UFAs.

As predicted, it's now pretty much confirmed he'll be gone by the end of the month.

 

[DAChampion]

If he truly wants $9M then ya no thanks hope the Habs stay far away from him, he is not worth that.

Why not? Dubois is young, these are all Ufa years, and the cap is expected to rise dramatically in the next few years.

 

[pickles555]

I am sure Winnipeg are asking for the 5th OA to be included,

Even if they are not rebuilding, they can flip that pick to another team,

Something like

PLD + 18th OA

For

5th OA

I don't think this gets done without the 5th OA being included

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Why not? Dubois is young, these are all Ufa years, and the cap is expected to rise dramatically in the next few years.

9 million for PLD is a lot in my opinion as well.

If PLD really wants to be a Hab , and let the team compete for a cup in a few years, he would take a similar contract as Caufield/Suzuki.

Any local endorsements/sponsorships should generously exceed the ~1m in salary he’d be forfeiting to help the team be a contender.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I am sure Winnipeg are asking for the 5th OA to be included,

Even if they are not rebuilding, they can flip that pick to another team,

Something like

PLD + 18th OA

For

5th OA

I don't think this gets done without the 5th OA being included

Theres literally zero chance the #5 is included….

Jets fans dont even expect that return

 

[The Great Weal]

I am sure Winnipeg are asking for the 5th OA to be included,

Even if they are not rebuilding, they can flip that pick to another team,

Something like

PLD + 18th OA

For

5th OA

I don't think this gets done without the 5th OA being included

That ain't happening. Jets will get very little unless they take back a contract. He is willing to sit out until he's traded, apparently wants 9 million, and the teams he's willing to play for have cap issues except for the Avs who he might not even be interested in playing for. Jets have zero leverage.

 

[Skip Bayless]

thank God this is getting resolved in the next 2-3 weeks.
Imagine he goes to the canes lol

Honestly that would be hilarious.