Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Captain Mountain]

I’m not a big Anderson guy, but if they somehow keep him, with PLD, Slaf and Dach (along with defenders like Guhle and Xhekaj), I don’t think many teams would be happy to play the Habs in the playoffs.

Best thing about getting PLD and having him and Suzuki as your top two centres, you don’t have to worry about matchups. No throwing Danault out there and expecting zero offence from either side.

I'm not sure that's fair. Danault didn't play much PP and was deployed in a way to give Suzuki opportunities and to shelter him a little. His play in LA shows that there's more offense in his game, Therrien and Julien just liked to give him insane deployment.

 

[CHwest]

I’m not a big Anderson guy, but if they somehow keep him, with PLD, Slaf and Dach (along with defenders like Guhle and Xhekaj), I don’t think many teams would be happy to play the Habs in the playoffs.

Best thing about getting PLD and having him and Suzuki as your top two centres, you don’t have to worry about matchups. No throwing Danault out there and expecting zero offence from either side.

Dach and Suzuki will be the top centers.

 

[EveryDay]

Dach and Suzuki will be the top centers.

Not sure they are going to keep him at center if he's winning only 40% of his draw.

I could live with:

Caufield-Dubois-Dach
Slafkovski-Suzuki-Benson



Start Farrell-Kidney-Roy as your 2nd line in the AHL next season.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not sure they are going to keep him at center if he's winning only 40% of his draw.

I could live with:

Caufield-Dubois-Dach
Slafkovski-Suzuki-Benson



Start Farrell-Kidney-Roy as your 2nd line in the AHL next season.

Given that the Habs are likely to suck again, I think they keep him at centre and see if he improves, mainly in that area, but they need to bring in a specialist, or either re-sign Monahan if he can even play and have him help/mentor Dach and Suzuki some more, or bring in someone else thar can do the same.

 

[morhilane]

I think the playoffs will play a key role in terms of what the Jets want. If they completely flame out do they just blow it up and rebuild or if they show enough fight, is it a retool and give it another shot with the core? I personally think Anderson is the type of player Winnipeg is seeking since they like big wingers and Wheeler is going to have to be replaced sooner or later. If I'm Hughes Id be moving either Anderson or Dvorak in a package (need to move salary at the very least) along with picks/prospects. A package containing something to help the Jets presently and in the long run is probably the best bet as they figure out what they want to do.

Helleybuck, Scheifele, Wheeler, DeMelo and Dillon are all UFA after next season too. It's not just about Dubois for the Jets.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I would like PLD in Montreal.

Slaf, PLD, Dach, Anderson, Gurianov and if we resign Monahan... that's a lot of meat up front.
Pepper in there some skilled smaller players like CC, Farrell and that's a nice balance.

PLD - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Farrell - Monahan - Gurianov

And that's just the forwards.

Add Guhle, Xhekaj, Mailloux, and we are not fun to play against!

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I would like PLD in Montreal.

Slaf, PLD, Dach, Anderson, Gurianov and if we resign Monahan... that's a lot of meat up front.
Pepper in there some skilled smaller players like CC, Farrell and that's a nice balance.

PLD - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Farrell - Monahan - Gurianov

And that's just the forwards.

Add Guhle, Xhekaj, Mailloux, and we are not fun to play against!

love the lines but move on from Monahan hes broken and we still have Dvorak

 

[Vachon23]

 

[SlafySZN]

Not sure they are going to keep him at center if he's winning only 40% of his draw.

I could live with:

Caufield-Dubois-Dach
Slafkovski-Suzuki-Benson



Start Farrell-Kidney-Roy as your 2nd line in the AHL next season.

Who cares about draws, he’ll get better at it or one of the wingers can help, no need to put the player at wing because of that.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Not sure they are going to keep him at center if he's winning only 40% of his draw.

I could live with:

Caufield-Dubois-Dach
Slafkovski-Suzuki-Benson



Start Farrell-Kidney-Roy as your 2nd line in the AHL next season.

Dach went from 33% to almost 40% on faceoffs this year which is a pretty big jump. It is still pretty bad, but if he's already made some progress there's a good chance he'll continue to improve as he gains more experience.

Even McDavid was only around 43% in faceoff wins his first 4 years and didn't hit 50% until his 8th season.

 

[EveryDay]

Who cares about draws, he’ll get better at it or one of the wingers can help, no need to put the player at wing because of that.

Coaches?

You prefer leaving Dach at center on the 3rd line instead of him getting top6 minutes?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Coaches?

You prefer leaving Dach at center on the 3rd line instead of him getting top6 minutes?

Coaches don't care as much.. they only care when it's a big draw, at which case, they have their specialists out for that.

 

[EveryDay]

Dach went from 33% to almost 40% on faceoffs this year which is a pretty big jump. It is still pretty bad, but if he's already made some progress there's a good chance he'll continue to improve as he gains more experience.

Even McDavid was only around 43% in faceoff wins his first 4 years and didn't hit 50% until his 8th season.

Difference being McDavid is getting 100+ points while Dach iis more like 30-40.

As a coach you can live with a 40% draws if you have a superstar like Malkin/McDavid/Hughes but If you produce like a 3rd liner and barely win 40% of your faceoff, your coaches are going to play you at wing.

Coaches don't care as much.. they only care when it's a big draw, at which case, they have their specialists out for that.

All right, I guess I'm wrong.

 

[salbutera]

So what is PLD Habs Jersey number?

Jets / Chevaldayoff are f*cked - it’s HuGo’s job now to ask their GM to offer up pieces of glass shrapnel before they use the most powerful sledgehammer to ram it down his assh*le.

There is no reason whatsoever to offer anywhere close to the assets in the Trouba deal

 

[ML16]

I think not wanting to sign Danault is the best comparable to not wanting to trade or sign Dubois as a UFA.

I highly doubt Dubois wouldn’t be told from the outset that he's expected to have important top-6 duties. Danault ultimately didn't sign in Montreal because Bergevin saw him solely as a defensive forward to play C3 and PK - and stuck to this view even when trouble arised with Kotkaniemi's renewal talks. The Habs ended up without any C2 and C3 in one offseason, which then cause the Dvorak panic move afterwards.

Essentially, it's not so much the 500K AAV differential that made Danault choose LA; it's the C2 position and PP time Luc Robitaille promised him that tipped the balance.

 

[26Mats]

I would like PLD in Montreal.

Slaf, PLD, Dach, Anderson, Gurianov and if we resign Monahan... that's a lot of meat up front.
Pepper in there some skilled smaller players like CC, Farrell and that's a nice balance.

PLD - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Farrell - Monahan - Gurianov

And that's just the forwards.

Add Guhle, Xhekaj, Mailloux, and we are not fun to play against!

If Monahan can't go, I'd use Dubois at C 5 on 5 until we find another 3c - need someone better than Dvo imo.

So if you take Monahan out of your top 9, in the event he can't go, we still have RHP, Heineman and maybe Roy that can complete it - plus Ylonen - plus our upcoming 1st. Something like:

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
RHP/Heineman/Roy/2023 1st/Ylonen - PLD - Anderson
Farrell - Dach - Gurianov

 

[Runner77]

Wow, if Friedman actually said that 95% thing then that's huge.

If they swing a trade for him at the draft then you'd have to imagine that we'll be drafting a defenseman or winger with our 1st pick. I don't see us taking a center when we'll have Suzuki, PLD and Dach as viable top 6 centers.

With an early pick, it’s got to be BPA.

Man, the Peg is getting slapped out left and right in these Dubois tweets.

We know all too well that most players don’t want to play there but somehow, I keep seeing posts by @sampollock planning trips out there to catch games and making it back in one piece. How does he do it?

 

[Canadienna]

It's basically a matter of when and what's the compensation.. but if you are talking about 95% sure he's coming here, whether it is next year or as a UFA.. the Jets don't have leverage to ask for more than the Trouba deal.

Yeah, like we as fans are working with some unknowns, but if Friedman is right that it's nearly a sure thing, then I think it potentially makes more sense to wait for UFA if the ask from the Jets this summer is sky high.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Yeah, like we as fans are working with some unknowns, but if Friedman is right that it's nearly a sure thing, then I think it potentially makes more sense to wait for UFA if the ask from the Jets this summer is sky high.

It shouldn't be.. I think they are looking for something that helps them save face a little bit here. Calgary 1st and Dvorak would help them do that.

Hughes is a skilled negotiator, so I'm not too worried he's gonna overpay to bring a guy over 1 year early when they aren't intending on competing.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

If Monahan can't go, I'd use Dubois at C 5 on 5 until we find another 3c - need someone better than Dvo imo.

So if you take Monahan out of your top 9, in the event he can't go, we still have RHP, Heineman and maybe Roy that can complete it - plus Ylonen - plus our upcoming 1st. Something like:

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
RHP/Heineman/Roy/2023 1st/Ylonen - PLD - Anderson
Farrell - Dach - Gurianov

I feel ya!

I don't want Dach on the 3rd though.
Rather he play LW on tne top line and for now slide Slaf down to the 2nd line and RHP to the 3rd.

 

[Vachon23]

PLD was probably Team Canada best player last WC playing on the wing. He can be a really good winger too

 

[26Mats]

I feel ya!

I don't want Dach on the 3rd though.
Rather he play LW on tne top line and for now slide Slaf down to the 2nd line and RHP to the 3rd.

It's Ok, we'd have 3 first lines.

They can each play a lot of minutes as Dach can double shift and jump onto the wing sometimes and play on the pp.

 

[jrom]

Who cares about draws, he’ll get better at it or one of the wingers can help, no need to put the player at wing because of that.

Another notorious C that is pretty bad at faceoffs is Jack Hugues. Don’t hear a lot of talk about moving him to the wing because of that…

 

[SlafySZN]

Another notorious C that is pretty bad at faceoffs is Jack Hugues. Don’t hear a lot of talk about moving him to the wing because of that…

Exactly and Dach is good at faceoffs some nights, he just need consistency.

He is good at everything else to be a great center, i don’t really care that he needs time to get better at faceoffs at barely 22 years old lol

 

[Paddy17]

It's worded in a way that suggests that 95% is regardless of whether he waits another year until UFA or not. So the Jets and Habs are talking just to make sure that Jets don't wind up empty-handed while Habs can get him a year early.

If Jets are not rebuiling after this season, then they absolutely need to trade him during the summer because they can't trade him in the middle of a possible playoff push next year.

Looks like Habs hold all the leverage, and there's actually a 95% chance he'll get trade this summer as well, to Habs or anyone else.