Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Boss Man Hughes]

Another notorious C that is pretty bad at faceoffs is Jack Hugues. Don’t hear a lot of talk about moving him to the wing because of that…

NJ fans keep saying Mercer can't be on Hughes line because Hughes is terrible at faceoffs. I presume Huala is good at faceoffs.

 

[Scriptor]

What may be behind the disinterest in Dubois that is expressed by a few but perhaps harbored by a lot more who do not express it, are two factors:

1. The suspicion that Dubois will turn out like Drouin or Desharnais, long-term anchors on the cap.

2. The suspicion that Dubois is not really interested in playing here and that he, his agent or both are playing a game seen before with the likes of Briere, M. Lapointe, Perron, Lecavalier

There are ways to deal with such arguments if they are in the open, but it's tougher in the case of those who think these things but don't say so.

For the anchor point, I don't see the relevance because, at 24 years of age, IMO, the floor for Dubois is already determined and it's already pretty good.

The 2nd point and all this suspicion of using the Habs as a means of getting big money elsewhere is weak as well because he will get offered big money regardless because of his profile as a big-bodied, 200-ft C with repeat 25+ goal, and 60+ point production after only 6 years in the league.

He's scored 20+ goals four out of six times and got 18 the other time when he missed 12 games in his third season at the NHL level with Columbus.

Two points away from getting 60+ points again in three of his 6 years as an NHLer with 8 games left in the season.

 

[Scriptor]

It's worded in a way that suggests that 95% is regardless of whether he waits another year until UFA or not. So the Jets and Habs are talking just to make sure that Jets don't wind up empty-handed while Habs can get him a year early.

If Jets are not rebuiling after this season, then they absolutely need to trade him during the summer because they can't trade him in the middle of a possible playoff push next year.

Looks like Habs hold all the leverage, and there's actually a 95% chance he'll get trade this summer as well, to Habs or anyone else.

It is not worded in a way you say it is. Plainly, what he says is that Dubois, as an UFA, is 95% certain to be going to the Habs. They have been talking to see if WIN can get something in return for Dubois from the Habs and the Habs can thus get him 1 year earlier.

 

[Paddy17]

Dubois-Suzuki-Benson
Slafkovsky-Dach-Caufield
Farrell-Beck-Heineman
RHP-Evans-Ylonen

Oh baby

We just have to find a way to trade:
Dvorak
Anderson
Hoffman
Gallagher
Armia

No small feat.

 

[Scriptor]

I think not wanting to sign Danault is the best comparable to not wanting to trade or sign Dubois as a UFA.

Might be better, but still not close.

 

[McGees]

 

[Scriptor]

We just have to find a way to trade:
Dvorak
Anderson
Hoffman
Gallagher
Armia

No small feat.

One player at a time. ELCs can let us hold into many of those until they die a slow death...

 

[jrom]

NJ fans keep saying Mercer can't be on Hughes line because Hughes is terrible at faceoffs. I presume Huala is good at faceoffs.

Yeah my understanding is that Haula often takes the FO for Hugues

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why not? Maybe that's the real price now.

If we know he will wait for UFA, I do expect Gorton and Hughes to offer a low ball type offer. Even that package is better than the Trouba return.

That's the problem.

The team acquiring him is pretty much certain he isn't going to sign there.

He's quit on teams before to change scenery. What if he goes to the new team after paying a hefty fee just for him to be uninterested because he wants the off season to come to sign here ?

I have to imagine Jets want to deal him now and will look at how their team does to determine their next course of action.

They're struggling. If they get beat handedly in the playoffs I think they rebuild. That's also if they even make them.

People can't forget that a lot of their top players are UFA after next season and the way things are going they're not going to re-sign.

I also doubt a GM on another team is going to even want the one year of RFA. Most GM's who trade futures, want the chance to extend the player. Jets already tried that when he asked out of Columbus and all GM's are fully aware of the circumstances

 

[Vachon23]

 

[habsfan891]

It's basically a matter of when and what's the compensation.. but if you are talking about 95% sure he's coming here, whether it is next year or as a UFA.. the Jets don't have leverage to ask for more than the Trouba deal.

95% seems like it's just about Habs or nothing which is a very surprising take this far ahead of his ufa.

 

[le_sean]

I'm not sure that's fair. Danault didn't play much PP and was deployed in a way to give Suzuki opportunities and to shelter him a little. His play in LA shows that there's more offense in his game, Therrien and Julien just liked to give him insane deployment.

I didn’t say he wasn’t useful, but you can’t tell me he produced. It took him to the Cup finals to score a goal. I’m just saying Dubois and Suzuki seem to be matchup proof. I’d feel confident throwing both out there in any situation.

 

[salbutera]

95% seems like it's just about Habs or nothing which is a very surprising take this far ahead of his ufa.

95% coming from Friedman means it’s 100% fait accompli and simply hasn’t been announced.

Talking heads of that ilk speculate based on insider info provided by someone involved in the know..

 

[habsfan891]

95% coming from Friedman means it’s 100% fait accompli and simply hasn’t been announced.

Talking heads of that ilk speculate based on insider info provided by someone involved in the know..

It'll be nice if that's the case for as long as I can really remember nobody has ever forced their way to the Habs like this.

 

[ManixLiquid]

Am I the only one who isn't a fan of Dubois and don't really want him with the Habs???

I mean if He comes here, fine. But I wont be jumping in the air.

 

[417]

If it's inevitable that Dubois is leaving, I think WPG would be better off holding onto him and trying to compete again one last time next year -- if they struggle they can sell him at the TDL.

Agreed, they could probably still get more for him next year from a team just looking for a strong rental, then they would for the Montreal Canadiens IMO

 

[Goalfield13]

If the Jets keep PLD to trade him as a rental, they not only risk getting nothing if PLD gets hurt during that time, but the best piece they likely get won’t match up to FLA’s first this year.

The Jets have a lot of players with 1 year left that are rumoured to want out such as Flanders, Wheeler, and even Helle. If they decide to rebuild this off-season, which they absolutely should, they can get a real haul to help them build a strong supporting cast for their young core.

My offer would be FLA’s first and Gallagher. Some may scoff at that, but the Jets are going to have a lot of cap room if they decide to sell, and they won’t get a better piece than that 1st. Otherwise, I just wait for UFA.

 

[Ozmodiar]

If the report is correct and they’ve been communicating a fair bit, then don’t expect a low ball offer.

Hughes know the value of PLD under normal circumstances. He’ll seek a discount but knows Chevy can get a 1st + for PLD as a pure rental. He’ll try to strike while the iron is hot. He won’t waste chevy’s time with low offers and miss an opportunity.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If the report is correct and they’ve been communicating a fair bit, then don’t expect a low ball offer.

Hughes know the value of PLD under normal circumstances. He’ll seek a discount but knows Chevy can get a 1st + for PLD as a pure rental. He’ll try to strike while the iron is hot. He won’t waste chevy’s time with low offers and miss an opportunity.

On a previous 32 thoughts Friedman mentioned that Montreal and Winnipeg have had talks about PLD

 

[Ozmodiar]

My offer would be FLA’s first and Gallagher.

/scoff

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Anything more than 1st (Florida) , Harris and a roster player (Dvorak or Anderson) is what we should pay.
Also He should be at maximum 8m a year.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If the Jets keep PLD to trade him as a rental, they not only risk getting nothing if PLD gets hurt during that time, but the best piece they likely get won’t match up to FLA’s first this year.

The Jets have a lot of players with 1 year left that are rumoured to want out such as Flanders, Wheeler, and even Helle. If they decide to rebuild this off-season, which they absolutely should, they can get a real haul to help them build a strong supporting cast for their young core.

My offer would be FLA’s first and Gallagher. Some may scoff at that, but the Jets are going to have a lot of cap room if they decide to sell, and they won’t get a better piece than that 1st. Otherwise, I just wait for UFA.

That 1st is some of the cost to get rid of Gallagher.

No one wants Gally at thar contract. That could honestly cost both 1sts just to dump his useless ass.

If Hughes can deal Gallagher and not pay that much, the dude is a demon spawn using dark magic to manipulate people's brains.

Habs' best hope is he goes on LTIRetired

 

[Rapala]

Who cares about draws, he’ll get better at it or one of the wingers can help, no need to put the player at wing because of that.

We have a player development program and a skills coach winning draws are definitely a skill.

 

[Rapala]

Coaches don't care as much.. they only care when it's a big draw, at which case, they have their specialists out for that.

I've always argued that FO% is scored wrong or should have another category. OT PP PK late period and any draw resulting in an immediate goal should be recorded. Anything else while nice in terms of possession isn't critical.

 

[salbutera]

Side note:

The Winter-peg situation as Friedman points out, “Chevaldayoff has the toughest job in the NHL since it’s the toughest market to attract players”, is one of the prime non mentioned reasons why Quebec will have a next to impossible time to get a team.

Winter-peg only got a team due to the influence & wherewithal of David Thomson…