Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Rapala]

Don’t know but from what I remember, Marinaro is not a good source for « scoops ».

Which is why it was dismissed out of hand. But I'll give him a point if it prooves to be true because this was at least a week ago maybe more.

 

[Captain97]

Easy to fix!

Put X man on the fourth line in the bottom 6 is no longer soft!

Xhekaj-Evans-Ylonen

Problem solves!

Let's just draft his brother, he's a forward in this draft

 

[HuGo Sham]

FWIW, Marco D’Amico was on BPM this afternoon and said that the Jets have been scouting Mailloux. They’ve been looking for a big right handed D who can contribute offensively, to get back what they used to have in Big Buff.

D’Amico poursuit en disant que le Canadien aurait David Reinbacher dans son viseur… Et que si le club prend l’avenue d’échanger Logan Mailloux avant le repêchage, Reinbacher pourrait certainement être sélectionné par Kent Hughes et les dirigeants du CH en juin prochain.

Rappelons que Reinbacher, à l’image de Mailloux, est un grand défenseur qui lance de la droite. Les deux joueurs ont un profil similaire, quoique Mailloux est peut-être un tout petit plus près de la LNH en ce moment. (Italicized text lifted from Danslescouilleslisses).

This type of scenario would be based on the Habs having their eye on Reinbacher, who like Mailloux, is a big right handed D. Both Reinbacher and Mailloux own a similar profile, however the latter would be a little closer to the NHL than Reinbacher.

would we be happy coming out the first round with with Reinbacher and Dubois?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

There's no way we give up Mailloux when RD is such a big need on the habs.

Which is why it was dismissed out of hand. But I'll give him a point if it prooves to be true because this was at least a week ago maybe more.

What was dismissed wasn't that the jets had scouts in a Knights game, it's that they were there to scout Mailloux. I don't know what Marco said exactly, but he's probably doing the same connection as Marino did. In reality, those jets scouts were probably there to scout Bonk, Barkey, and Cowan.

 

[HuGo Sham]

This thread is going to get scorching hot the closer the Jets get to elimination.

 

[salbutera]

I think "fait accompli" is a bit too much, with the info that the Jets scouts are looking at Mailloux, I think we can say that any trade talks is at the options evaluation steps for the Jets.

And I'll tend to believe D'Amico about that specific scouting info, since he hangs out with the scouts in junior arena a lot.

D’Amico & Mtl Hockey Now site are comprised of hacks - Friedman has been informed by an upper echelon Habs official be it Gorton, Hughes or Molson himself.

Chevaldayoff is scrambling to get some leverage back and I expect to see lots of Mailloux being scouted, Roy is part of the deal crap to try & offset the PR game

 

[ManixLiquid]

They can scout him all they want I don't trade a rd with his size and tools straight up for Dubois

You may not want trade Mailloux for Dubois... but maybe Hughes have no problem making that trade

 

[Habfan10]

If you are Hughes do you not want some money going out for Dubios? Got to think a roster player is included in this deal...perhaps Dvorak? Not saying only Dvorak but keeping cap flexibility is important in todays NHL especially when you know you’ll have to resign Dubois.

 

[eklund the clown]

Canadiens, Jets have reportedly had talks about Pierre-Luc Dubois trade

Could we be approaching the end of an era for the current Jets core?

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[CD2001]

As much as its been rumored that Dubois to Montreal next summer is all but a sure thing, I see no issue in securing him via trade this summer. Especially considering the Jets are in a similar situation that the Hawks were with Kane in the sense that they have an asset that has no intention of returning but only has eyes for one team. Habs have more than enough assets to get a deal done.

Dvorak
Kidney
2nd round pick
+ another mid pick or prospect?

 

[Rapala]

There's no way we give up Mailloux when RD is such a big need on the habs.



What was dismissed wasn't that the jets had scouts in a Knights game, it's that they were there to scout Mailloux. I don't know what Marco said exactly, but he's probably doing the same connection as Marino did. In reality, those jets scouts were probably there to scout Bonk, Barkey, and Cowan.

Indeed. Dismissed out of hand none the less.

 

[Michoulicious]

Those rumors make me SICK.

I'd be REALLY PISSED if we spend any kind of quality asset only to get PLD a year in advance. He's frickin UFA in a year and we'll suck next year. What's the rush?

If he really wants to come over, he will then. If not, then be it.

Hopefully Hughes is smart in that situation.

 

[River Meadow]

I wouldn't pay a cent for him given this.

 

[Michoulicious]

As much as its been rumored that Dubois to Montreal next summer is all but a sure thing, I see no issue in securing him via trade this summer. Especially considering the Jets are in a similar situation that the Hawks were with Kane in the sense that they have an asset that has no intention of returning but only has eyes for one team. Habs have more than enough assets to get a deal done.

Dvorak
Kidney
2nd round pick
+ another mid pick or prospect?

So 4 assets to get a guy that will come over anyways in a year?

That's ridiculous asset management.

Kidney + 2nd ++ is A LOT

 

[River Meadow]

Delete. wrong thread.

 

[WatchfulElm]

Those rumors make me SICK.

I'd be REALLY PISSED if we spend any kind of quality asset only to get PLD a year in advance. He's frickin UFA in a year and we'll suck next year. What's the rush?

If he really wants to come over, he will then. If not, then be it.

Hopefully Hughes is smart in that situation.

In the cap era, it can also be a smart move to give assets for having a good player :

1- One year earlier in his prime
2- Signed as a RFA instead of a UFA, so at a discount price.
3- Signed for 8 years instead of 7

 

[JustAHabFan]

We are weak on RD and decent on Center/Wings. Why do you want to trade from an area of weakness?

 

[Canadienna]

He's frickin UFA in a year and we'll suck next year. What's the rush?

If he really wants to come over, he will then. If not, then be it.

Hopefully Hughes is smart in that situation.

Guaranteeing that you get the player is only one part of it.

The other part of it is the value of that extra year beyond just the standings. Playing with talent is a big part of developing talent.

You used the phrase "quality asset" and I'm not sure what that means to you. I agree we shouldn't be moving Dach for him, nor our own 1st this year, but the FLA 1st? I think it's worth it.

 

[Michoulicious]

Guaranteeing that you get the player is only one part of it.

The other part of it is the value of that extra year beyond just the standings. Playing with talent is a big part of developing talent.

You used the phrase "quality asset" and I'm not sure what that means to you. I agree we shouldn't be moving Dach for him, nor our own 1st this year, but the FLA 1st? I think it's worth it.

Florida's first is looking like a top 15 pick in a stacked draft.

We got frikin Dach for #13 in a weak draft. Guhle was drafted at #16. Caufield at #15.

And you think it's the kind of asset you waste for one more year of PLD?

We have plenty of talent to play on our roster for next year. What I want is the max amount of talent/assets for when it matters when the core is there in 3-4 years.

 

[Michoulicious]

In the cap era, it can also be a smart move to give assets for having a good player :

1- One year earlier in his prime
2- Signed as a RFA instead of a UFA, so at a discount price.
3- Signed for 8 years instead of 7

It won't be at a discount. You are dreaming. Why would he take a discount?

I'm not interested in Dubois for 8 years, 7 as UFA is PLENTY. He'll be 33 at the end of that contract.

 

[Canadienna]

Florida's first is looking like a top 15 pick in a stacked draft.

We got frikin Dach for #13 in a weak draft.

And you think it's the kind of asset you waste for one more year of PLD?

Well obviously I don't think it's wasting it. All I'm saying is there's additional value to having Dubois this summer than just ensuring you get the player.

If I knew, beyond any doubt, that he would sign here as a UFA, then maybe not... But this is the real world where things can change.

So a) ensuring Dubois comes here and b) continuing to build the team in a positive direction is worth the likely 15+ OA pick.

I won't be mad if Hughes doesn't do it though, and I get your argument about not rushing things.

 

[Michoulicious]

Well obviously I don't think it's wasting it. All I'm saying is there's additional value to having Dubois this summer than just ensuring you get the player.

If I knew, beyond any doubt, that he would sign here as a UFA, then maybe not... But this is the real world where things can change.

So a) ensuring Dubois comes here and b) continuing to build the team in a positive direction is worth the likely 15+ OA pick.

I won't be mad if Hughes doesn't do it though, and I get your argument about not rushing things.

Like I said, Jets will want something good to trade PLD.

They certainly get a good haul if they trade him at the next trade deadline as a rental. If frickin Friedman says he's coming to Montreal, every GM in the NHL knows by now he won't sign with them, so they'll pay for a rental (late 1st, prospect).

We should not try to compete with that anyways.

We don't need PLD next year, at all. We need to suck again next year, one last time. Then you start to spend assets to fill your roster.

And I want to be really YOU DON'T TRADE A TOP 15 PICK IN THAT DRAFT FOR PLD. This 1st pick is worth A LOT, it is not spare change.

 

[salbutera]

Those rumors make me SICK.

I'd be REALLY PISSED if we spend any kind of quality asset only to get PLD a year in advance. He's frickin UFA in a year and we'll suck next year. What's the rush?

If he really wants to come over, he will then. If not, then be it.

Hopefully Hughes is smart in that situation.

Because it’s a business that’s expected to maximize revenue which happens by playing playoff games & not a jerk off fest for negligible diehard hockey fanbase.

 

[Michoulicious]

Because it’s a business that’s expected to maximize revenue which happens by playing playoff games & not a jerk off fest for diehard hockey fans.

You think the Habs are a playoffs team with PLD next year? lol

 

[salbutera]

You think the Habs are a playoffs team with PLD next year? lol

Add this years pick, PLD and a goalie (Hart) and yes they’re in the running for a wild card spot assuming team maintains average injury trend for an NHL team

There’s $20M off season to play with for upgrades