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Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. III

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Holmstrom with 2 goals and an assist last night - he should be back at B port next season and the production should be much higher.
 
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MJF said:
I personally don’t see it with Parker Wotherspoon. I don’t think he handles the puck particularly well. Seen too many ill-advised passes result in giveaways over the years. @DerekKingSnipes is a bigger fan of his. Maybe he sees things in him that I don’t.
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Haven’t seen him play in a couple of years but take this FWIW.

This year he’s been behind Aho and Salo on the depth chart. He’s not particularly big enough, tough enough or fast enough and he’ll be 25 next season. Is there something to see here that I’m missing?
 
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The Real JT said:
Haven’t seen him play in a couple of years but take this FWIW.

This year he’s been behind Aho and Salo on the depth chart. He’s not particularly big enough, tough enough or fast enough and he’ll be 25 next season. Is there something to see here that I’m missing?
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I think Wotherspoon is a good team guy and has played better this year than ever before. I just don’t think that’s good enough for the NHL.

He’d make a great captain for Bridgeport.
 
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leeroggy said:
Raty ahead of Holtz makes me feel warm all other . . . Dufour ahead of Berniers would be nirvana
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I think that model is heavily based on point production so I take it with a grain of salt, but hey you never know.

Berniers was a great pick for SEA, I think he's going to be a phenomenal NHLer.
 
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MJF said:
I think Wotherspoon is a good team guy and has played better this year than ever before. I just don’t think that’s good enough for the NHL.

He’d make a great captain for Bridgeport.
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That could be the case, I guess I’m just saying what’s wrong with a cup of coffee for him at this juncture in the season?
 
MJF said:
I think Wotherspoon is a good team guy and has played better this year than ever before. I just don’t think that’s good enough for the NHL.

He’d make a great captain for Bridgeport.
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I’ll also add that as fans we hold onto preconceived expectations regarding our draft picks far more than we do for other players.

Wotherspoon was a fourth round pick and was signed to an ELC . If he were an undrafted free agent with the same productivity and skill set we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It’s akin to the MDC scenario.
 
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The Real JT said:
I’ll also add that as fans we hold onto preconceived expectations regarding our draft picks far more than we do for other players.

Wotherspoon was a fourth round pick and was signed to an ELC . If he were an undrafted free agent with the same productivity and skill set we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It’s akin to the MDC scenario.
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Oddly enough Grant Hutton is an undrafted FA. 4 year college grad from Miami Ohio. The same school and career path as Andy Greene.
 
seafoam said:
I think that model is heavily based on point production so I take it with a grain of salt, but hey you never know.

Berniers was a great pick for SEA, I think he's going to be a phenomenal NHLer.
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I'd take it with a massive grain of salt, I think it's primarily for fantasy anyways. If you're going the NHLe route I'd look at something like Byron Bader's model which looks like this right now (edit: I probably should've comped beniers)
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seafoam said:
I agree about the stylistic piece, Hutton doesn’t seem to rely on playing the body as much as Mayfield even if their size is comparable. Hutton seems more “cerebral” for whatever that is worth.
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I am going to respectively disagree. I have watched Hutton and his first instinct is to take the man/body. He is not going for the big hit(which many times can take you out of a play) but he always goes body first in the D zone.
 
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SI said:
Holmstrom with 2 goals and an assist last night - he should be back at B port next season and the production should be much higher.
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Really he just needed to bulk up. He was the youngest player in his draft class and came right over into a mens league in NA. I don’t know why they didn’t keep him in Sweden for a year but whatever. He’ll be fine, he has a lot of skill just needs to build confidence and strength.
 
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seafoam said:
Not sure how Bellows looked the other day, but with Wahlstrom failing to stick in Trotz’s lineup I wouldn’t be surprised to see Raty get a few games towards the end of the year.

Same with Salo/Wotherspoon/etc. I’m not really sure why they keep trucking Greene out there night in and night out.
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I think it's so that Salo and Wotherspoon are part of any possible clinching of a playoff spot.

Having Hutton up here has already been hitting that blueline on the farm pretty hard. He was THE righty shot bulldozer down there.
 
MJF said:
I personally don’t see it with Parker Wotherspoon. I don’t think he handles the puck particularly well. Seen too many ill-advised passes result in giveaways over the years. @DerekKingSnipes is a bigger fan of his. Maybe he sees things in him that I don’t.
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He’s had tremendous year this year, he has easily been best defenseman in Bridgeport all year on a night in and night out basis. I’d like to see him also here just to give him a look to see how he’d do at this level. He plays a tough game and Is underrated from skill standpoint. I always liked Kyle Burroughs who has gotten to League now as a extra and Wotherspoon plays a similar game but to me has more ability.
 
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rkatec68 said:
I'd take it with a massive grain of salt, I think it's primarily for fantasy anyways. If you're going the NHLe route I'd look at something like Byron Bader's model which looks like this right now (edit: I probably should've comped beniers)View attachment 532149
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OK, I have to ask, how does a Full Comp of Brad Isbister (No. 3 on the list), a gigantic LW who had skating and maturity issues, in any way make sense for Raty, a smaller, significantly better skating center?

Isbister was one of those guys who excelled in garbage time and on terrible teams, while it appears that Raty is at least a bit more mature and has the ability to make players around him better.

Isbister seems to be a strange comp, and has little in common with Raty, other than being Islanders property at one point. Am I missing something?
 
danteipp said:
OK, I have to ask, how does a Full Comp of Brad Isbister (No. 3 on the list), a gigantic LW who had skating and maturity issues, in any way make sense for Raty, a smaller, significantly better skating center?

Isbister was one of those guys who excelled in garbage time and on terrible teams, while it appears that Raty is at least a bit more mature and has the ability to make players around him better.

Isbister seems to be a strange comp, and has little in common with Raty, other than being Islanders property at one point. Am I missing something?
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It's a production comparison, nothing to do with anything other than that. They're going to be strange for him, his path is an abnormal one.
 
rkatec68 said:
It's a production comparison, nothing to do with anything other than that. They're going to be strange for him, his path is an abnormal one.
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I still don't see it. There is nothing remotely similar, even production wise, between Raty and Isbister.

In his D+1 season, Isbister scored 45 goals and had 184 PIMs in a Canadian junior league.

I don't see how that compares in any way to Raty's production/stats in a men's foreign league in his D+1 season.

At least to me, it seems like a very strange comp no matter how you look at it.

What metrics/stats do you see for a production comp, other than both have good D+1 years?
 
BelovedIsles said:
I’ve been saying for a while, Dufour’s blend of skills is a mix of Tuch and James Neal.
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I can see that.

Tuch is definitely a guy that has come to mind when thinking about a current NHL comparable.

Gotta say though... Dufour has some real snipe to his game. Had a chance to watch a few of their games this year in addition to all the highlights and saw plenty of shots that were so pinpoint, often from considerable distances, that were it not for a few posts, crossbars, goaltender stickends or toe stretches, he'd likely be in 60+ goal land right now.

THIS is the aspect of his game that makes him so doggone interesting in my book.
 
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