Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. III

[saintunspecified]

I feel like a big bucket of cold water lately, but I feel like some of you all have not been paying attention to the last 4 years. Raty is not going to start with the Isles next year under any circumstances.

I don't know why anyone thinks they can predict the future with this kid. When is the last time NYI had a European prospect that perfomed this well in his D+1 year?

The only relevant comparison, I suppose, is LL's handling of Nylander in the year in which he became GM in Toronto. Tbh, I don't know all the details about that, but Nylander was clearly a flashier player (clearly more explosive than Raty), but a less mature one at the time. Moreover, it was a different situation with the Leafs that year.

Tbh if you want to find the closest comparison to Raty's game in the history of LL being GM, it'd probably be Travis Zajac who played 2 post-draft year in college, and then played in the NHL.

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

I don't know why anyone thinks they can predict the future with this kid. When is the last time NYI had a European prospect that perfomed this well in his D+1 year?

The only relevant comparison, I suppose, is LL's handling of Nylander in the year in which he became GM in Toronto. Tbh, I don't know all the details about that, but Nylander was clearly a flashier player (clearly more explosive than Raty), but a less mature one at the time. Moreover, it was a different situation with the Leafs that year.

Tbh if you want to find the closest comparison to Raty's game in the history of LL being GM, it'd probably be Travis Zajac who played 2 post-draft year in college, and then played in the NHL.

I mean Raty will get a look in camp I’m sure, they gave him long look this year. I could see it especially if he can play wing which is certainly a roster area isles will be trying to upgrade.

 

[The Real JT]

While we need to pump the brakes on Raty’s potential, why not spout some optimism during an otherwise dreadful year?

Raty will be the same age next year (20) that Barzal was when he had his first full season with the Isles. It was a pretty impressive breakout performance if you recall.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I'll be interested to see if they bring on Raty for a couple of games towards the end of this year, should Jukurit's season end early. If they're serious about selling, maybe they give him a shot?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I'll be interested to see if they bring on Raty for a couple of games towards the end of this year, should Jukurit's season end early. If they're serious about selling, maybe they give him a shot?

I would say that this is probably unlikely, because not only has the team never really done anything like this in the Lou era, but also because I think it would burn off a year of his ELC.

Or maybe the 9-game viewing limit would still apply?

What will also be interesting to watch is if he is nominated for Finland's WC team. Word is, the gold medalists are going to take a bit of a different route for that tournament in light of their gold at the Olympics and the belief that this would be a prime year to test some new blood.

And just imagine, Raty is currently 17th overall in scoring and has been clipping at a PPG pace (with a +23) since joining Jukurit.

 

[Strummergas]

I would say that this is probably unlikely, because not only has the team never really done anything like this in the Lou era, but also because I think it would burn off a year of his ELC.

They've also never had to. Isles have not yet been sellers at the deadline in the Lou/Trotz era.

 

[ekill08x]

While we need to pump the brakes on Raty’s potential, why not spout some optimism during an otherwise dreadful year?

Raty will be the same age next year (20) that Barzal was when he had his first full season with the Isles. It was a pretty impressive breakout performance if you recall.

He is also a PPG player in Finlands highest professional league. He also has taken the team that traded for him from the gutter to 1st place while the team that traded him is headed in the opposite direction. Hes the best prospect weve had since Barzal.

 

[The Real JT]

He is also a PPG player in Finlands highest professional league. He also has taken the team that traded for him from the gutter to 1st place while the team that traded him is headed in the opposite direction. Hes the best prospect weve had since Barzal.

And this has to count for something.

Here’s the list of Isles’ prospects that Trotz has consistently praised over the last few years.

Raty and…..

Oh yeah, nobody.

 

[Mike C]

And this has to count for something.

Here’s the list of Isles’ prospects that Trotz has consistently praised over the last few years.

Raty and…..

Oh yeah, nobody.

hahahahaha funny one!

 

[The Real JT]

Dufour with 2 goals today thus far (#32 and 33). First period complete, 2 more to go.

Don’t hate him because he’s an overager. Enjoy the moment.

 

[The Real JT]

2 periods complete and Dufour get his third (#34) for the hatty.


Edit:
One more for the road (#35).

 

[ekill08x]

over-ager or not. he has size and clearly has a scoring touch. worth developing. maybe we have something here.

 

[SI90]

DuFOUR. 4 goals for the kid. Still leading the Q

 

[seafoam]

DuFOUR. 4 goals for the kid. Still leading the Q

Duff/Duffy with a 4 bomb. I’m rooting for this kid.

 

[SI90]

Duff/Duffy with a 4 bomb. I’m rooting for this kid.

Nice!!!

 

[seafoam]

Koivula pushing for a call?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Duff/Duffy with a 4 bomb. I’m rooting for this kid.

Alex Burrows was known as an overage player scoring in his overage year. Trying to recall others. Looked it up and he had 35 also in 60+ games. Dufour is going to pass him with authority. Cautiously optimistic.

 

[TeamKidd]

Alex Burrows was known as an overage player scoring in his overage year. Trying to recall others. Looked it up and he had 35 also in 60+ games. Dufour is going to pass him with authority. Cautiously optimistic.

My guess is that his size and strength will translate somewhat to the NHL, hopefully sooner rather tahn later.

 

[saintunspecified]

Alex Burrows was known as an overage player scoring in his overage year. Trying to recall others. Looked it up and he had 35 also in 60+ games. Dufour is going to pass him with authority. Cautiously optimistic.

didn't burrows learn to skate in his teens, or am i remembering this incorrectly?

 

[Tuckisles]

I don't know why anyone thinks they can predict the future with this kid. When is the last time NYI had a European prospect that perfomed this well in his D+1 year?

The only relevant comparison, I suppose, is LL's handling of Nylander in the year in which he became GM in Toronto. Tbh, I don't know all the details about that, but Nylander was clearly a flashier player (clearly more explosive than Raty), but a less mature one at the time. Moreover, it was a different situation with the Leafs that year.

Tbh if you want to find the closest comparison to Raty's game in the history of LL being GM, it'd probably be Travis Zajac who played 2 post-draft year in college, and then played in the NHL.

While I am not banking on it, I really hope Raty's ceiling is much higher than what Zajac became.

 

[xECK29x]

+ = on IR or just hurt

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Noah Dobson	D	2018 round 1 #12	1	New York Islanders	47	9	17	26	10	2
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW/LW	2018 round 1 #11	2	New York Islanders	44	10	10	20	39	1
Samuel Bolduc	D	2019 round 2 #57	3	Bridgeport Islanders	40	1	1	2	10	-6
Aatu Raty	C	2021 round 2 #52	4	Oulun Karpat	6	0	1	1	2	1
				* Jukurit	32	12	20	32	24	24
				Finland U20 (all)	11	7	13	20	4	1
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	5	* Bridgeport Islanders	22	2	10	12	2	-6
				New York Islanders	18	1	3	4	4	-4
Bode Wilde	D	2018 round 2 #41	6	Vasterviks IK	35	1	7	8	6	-3
Simon Holmstrom	RW/LW	2019 round 1 #23	7	Bridgeport Islanders	47	6	16	22	6	-9
Kieffer Bellows	LW	2016 round 1 #19	8	New York Islanders	26	4	9	13	11	3
William Dufour	RW	2020 round 5 #152	9	Saint John Sea Dogs	39	35	32	67	26	32
Ruslan Iskhakov	C/RW	2018 round 2 #43	10	Adler Mannheim	11	2	9	11	0	9
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	11	New York Islanders	19	0	8	8	2	-2
Alex Jefferies	LW	2019 round 4 #121	13	Merrimack College	29	9	12	21	10	-3
Reece Newkirk	C	2019 round 5 #147	13	Bridgeport Islanders	12	0	1	1	10	-3
				* Worcester Railers	21	6	13	19	12	3
Otto Koivula	C/LW	2016 round 4 #120	14	* Bridgeport Islanders	43	10	26	36	28	-3
				New York Islanders	3	0	1	1	0	-1
Grant Hutton	D	FA	15	* Bridgeport Islanders	36	6	8	14	6	-7
				New York Islanders	5	0	0	0	0	0
Alexander Ljungkrantz	LW	2020 round 3 #90	19	Brynas IF	5	0	0	0	0	-2
				Brynas IF J20	16	2	7	9	2	-4
				* HC Vita Hasten	27	4	5	9	2	-8
				Sweden U20 (all)	8	1	1	2	0	-2
Matias Rajaniemi	D	2020 round 6 #183	20	* Lehden Pelicans	50	0	4	4	20	3
				Finland U20 (all)	8	0	2	2	2	0
Collin Adams	LW/C	2016 round 6 #170	HM1	Worcester Railers	10	3	4	7	2	-4
				* Bridgeport Islanders	28	4	5	9	4	-3
Cameron Berg	C	2021 round 4 #125	HM2	Univ. of Nebraska Omaha	33	7	13	20	12	4
Blade Jenkins	LW/C	2018 round 5 #134	HM3	Bridgeport Islanders	38	7	4	11	2	-2
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	HM4	Bridgeport Islanders	49	9	17	26	24	-1
Aleksi Malinen	D	2021 round 6 #189	HM5	JYP	6	0	0	0	0	-6
				* JYP U20	27	2	12	14	20	0
				KeuPa HT	2	0	0	0	0	2
				Finland U20 (all)	5	1	0	1	2	0
Eetu Liukas	LW	2021 round 5 #157		* TPS	41	7	2	9	24	-3
				TPS U20	13	10	10	20	14	5
				Finland U20 (all)	10	1	0	1	14	-1
(?) Ben Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77		Providence College	16	3	1	4	21	1
Christian Krygier	D	2018 round 7 #196		Michigan State Univ.	34	2	6	8	64	-11
Jacob Pivonka	C	2018 round 4 #103		Univ. of Notre Dame	19	0	6	6	2	2
Tomas Machu	D	2021 round 7 #221		HC Vitkovice	10	0	0	0	2	-5
				HC Vitkovice U20	13	4	6	10	10	2
				Draci Sumperk	5	0	5	5	2	1
				Dukla Jihlava	1	0	0	0	0	1
				* Youngstown Phantoms	17	0	4	4	4	0
				Czechia U20	2	0	1	1	0	0
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201		Boston Univ.	27	5	5	10	6	-3
GOALIES					GP	GAA	SV%	SO	W-L-T
Tristan Lennox	G	2021 round 3 #93	17	Saginaw Spirit	26	3.17	.887	0	7-18-0
Jakub Skarek	G	2018 round 3 #72	17	Bridgeport Islanders	28	2.89	.906	1	12-10-5
Henrik Tikkanen	G	2020 round 7 #214		Kalpa	2	4.95	.765	0	0-2-0
				* MoDo Hockey	18	2.60	.901	1	12-4-0
				Vaxjo Lakers HC	1	1.00	.952	0	1-0-0

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[Benedict Kovalchuk]

Why is everyone calling Dufour an overager? He isn't, he turned 20 this past January. Overage status is when you are 21 in the CHL.

 

[leeroggy]

Why is everyone calling Dufour an overager? He isn't, he turned 20 this past January. Overage status is when you are 21 in the CHL.

Because our posters are too lazy to double check?

 

[MJF]

I understand Aatu Raty’s season is coming to an end this month. Should he then be assigned to Bridgeport or wait until next season?

 

[leeroggy]

I understand Aatu Raty’s season is coming to an end this month. Should he then be assigned to Bridgeport or wait until next season?

Definitely Bridgeport

If he can adapt rapidly to North America it's just another indication that his preseason success was not a fluke, and he could be ready earlier rather than later. To Trotz, trust in a youngster is how they play defensively, not their age.

What a benefit if he is in the NHL by midseason in 22-23.

Bellows - Barzal - Wahlstrom
Lee - Nelson - Raty (bye bye Josh!)
Parise - Pageau - Beau
Johnston - Cizikas - Holmstrom

I can dream, can't I?