Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. III

[mm11]

May I ask what is so special about Dufour? He is older so why does it matter so much that he is top in scoring? It seems similar to that defenseman Brenden Kichton a while back.

yes, I won't personally knucklesnap on this kid until he sees professional hockey. Good season though

 

[The Real JT]

May I ask what is so special about Dufour? He is older so why does it matter so much that he is top in scoring? It seems similar to that defenseman Brenden Kichton a while back.

There’s very little to be optimistic about this year. How often does an Isles’ prospect light up any league?

You’re not necessarily wrong but don’t ruin my fantasy.

 

[xECK29x]

Keep it on topic, no more talk of a certain Twitter account or personality, if I have to clean this up again, I'll be mad.

 

[Osakahaus]

To get this back on track, Jeffries has at least been doing stuff for Merrimack as of late. I still think he is at least a potential AHLer in the future to watch out for.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

Let me explain something - the back to back conference finals the last two seasons and this Trotz era is the next best thing in this franchises history since the cup days.

That is far more important than f***ing Ridley Grieg or whatever scrub the Devils picked last draft.


for some of us we are over the prospect hugging and the love affair with potential draft targets most of us have never seen play - give me Connor Garland, Alexi Romanov, Jordan Kyrou NHL players.

Lou went for it two years in a row and he was right to do it, when we criticized him in year one when he sat on his hands at deadline when we needed scoring help.

You are new here and I like the enthusiasm, but some of your posts fluctuate from hot takes to trolling

Agree with this and any doubters should also remember the Isles ran into a potential dynasty team in those semifinal losses and nearly took them out as well all while dealing with a terrible cap situation.

Lou and Trotz have some decisions to make in the coming months to right this ship and I have all the faith they will do it.

 

[Top Corner]

Agree with this and any doubters should also remember the Isles ran into a potential dynasty team in those semifinal losses and nearly took them out as well all while dealing with a terrible cap situation.

Lou and Trotz have some decisions to make in the coming months to right this ship and I have all the faith they will do it.

I disagree, the current management group has shown too much
Loyalty which sometimes clouds the vision and when they protected their 4th line in the expansion draft at their age showed their loyalty but not what I feel is a vision to be good now and protect better assets in the process. Everyone who talks about the last 2 years needs to remember this is not the same team and doesn’t have any Dobsons and Barzals in the minors ready to make an impact at the NHL level !

 

[MJF]

I disagree, the current management group has shown too much
Loyalty which sometimes clouds the vision and when they protected their 4th line in the expansion draft at their age showed their loyalty but not what I feel is a vision to be good now and protect better assets in the process. Everyone who talks about the last 2 years needs to remember this is not the same team and doesn’t have any Dobsons and Barzals in the minors ready to make an impact at the NHL level !

The 4th line was protected to set up Seattle to take a $5 million contract from us--Bailey or Eberle. Lou wasn't willing to gamble on Seattle drafting the less expensive Clutterbuck or Martin. It was the path of least resistance to making room under the salary cap.

And talents like Barzal don't end up in the AHL. They get drafted and usually go straight to the NHL from amateurs. I'm hopeful that Aatu Raty is that kind of talent.

 

[TeamKidd]

Our drafts have been pretty terrible. And what irks me is the obvious, consensus picks available at the time we picked would have been far better than any of the off the board, savvy type picks our staff made. We literally as a board could have done better.

 

[CupHolders]

Our drafts have been pretty terrible. And what irks me is the obvious, consensus picks available at the time we picked would have been far better than any of the off the board, savvy type picks our staff made. We literally as a board could have done better.

Which drafts are you referring to? Because in some cases it’s the opposite. For example, Dal Colle was the clear cut consensus but we see how that turned out.

Even Reinhart, Neidereitter and Strome were not really reaches. There were other players that rated slightly higher on some boards but not considered certainly better.

Holmstrom, might actually be considered the biggest reach. Any others I’m missing?

 

[Top Corner]

The 4th line was protected to set up Seattle to take a $5 million contract from us--Bailey or Eberle. Lou wasn't willing to gamble on Seattle drafting the less expensive Clutterbuck or Martin. It was the path of least resistance to making room under the salary cap.

And talents like Barzal don't end up in the AHL. They get drafted and usually go straight to the NHL from amateurs. I'm hopeful that Aatu Raty is that kind of talent.

They could have taken Bellows as a low cost alternative. With Johnston on the roster and I was hoping to reduce the cap $ then Clutterbuck was the option and Eberle in my opinion has more value and worry about the other $2mil Cap difference later. The fact that he had Palmieri probably signed as replacement was the reason and hindsight so far has it as a fail!

 

[MJF]

They could have taken Bellows as a low cost alternative. With Johnston on the roster and I was hoping to lose some $ on the cap then Clutterbuck was the option. Eberle in my opinion has more value and for the less then $2mil I would worry later. The fact that he had Palmieri probably signed as replacement was the reason and hindsight so far has it as a fail!

Agreed Palmieri has been a fail so far.

 

[Osakahaus]

Aatu Raty got an assist on the game winning goal today, as Jukerit now sits atop Liiga standings.

Eetu Liukas with a secondary assist, 4th point in his last 7 games

feels like these two I wanna keep my eyes on a ton, since they might be decent down the road

 

[Osakahaus]

Which drafts are you referring to? Because in some cases it’s the opposite. For example, Dal Colle was the clear cut consensus but we see how that turned out.

Even Reinhart, Neidereitter and Strome were not really reaches. There were other players that rated slightly higher on some boards but not considered certainly better.

Holmstrom, might actually be considered the biggest reach. Any others I’m missing?

reinhart wasn't a reach???

hell, even looking back, it made no sense as to why he was even taken 4th overall. Garth whiffed.

 

[CupHolders]

reinhart wasn't a reach???
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hell, even looking back, it made no sense as to why he was even taken 4th overall. Garth whiffed.

Yes that's central scouting, which didn't deviate too much from earlier in the year or include the playoffs. Other places I recall had Reinhart as a late riser... McKenzie, Button etc had him specifically at four. But even from central scouting's own rating he went six slots higher... still a reach, but not out of the ball park.

As for... "Garth whiffed" Yes, he did.

 

[seafoam]

Our drafts have been pretty terrible. And what irks me is the obvious, consensus picks available at the time we picked would have been far better than any of the off the board, savvy type picks our staff made. We literally as a board could have done better.

I wonder how common it is for organizations to compare their rankings with what us, the general public has access to?

I’m talking Central Scouting and TSN rankings, because sometimes I feel like organizational scouting rankings are biased and it would be an interested exercise to compare what you think to the general consensus.

 

[Osakahaus]

Yes that's central scouting, which didn't deviate too much from earlier in the year or include the playoffs. Other places I recall had Reinhart as a late riser... McKenzie, Button etc had him specifically at four. But even from central scouting's own rating he went six slots higher... still a reach, but not out of the ball park.

As for... "Garth whiffed" Yes, he did.

but why? he was literally nothing special, even looking back in junior. hell, same goes for MDC. Just too many "safe" picks from us, and the ones that are supposed to be home runs blow up in our face.

 

[CupHolders]

but why? he was literally nothing special, even looking back in junior. hell, same goes for MDC. Just too many "safe" picks from us, and the ones that are supposed to be home runs blow up in our face.

Well I was responding to the notion that the Isles often drafted by reaching “off-board.” They kinda haven’t was my point.

You’re now asking me why the Islanders drafted the way they did? More specifically, why they drafted somewhat conservatively by keeping to picks ranked at that spot… I would say that they did a poor job of projecting prospects to players at the top of the draft.

I wasn’t defending Snow. I’m glad they got Pelech. Kind of funny that he is exactly what the Isles were looking for in Reinhart. But that still doesn’t excuse missing on Reinhart of course.

 

[Osakahaus]

Well I was responding to the notion that the Isles often drafted by reaching “off-board.” They kinda haven’t was my point.

You’re now asking me why the Islanders drafted the way they did? More specifically, why they drafted somewhat conservatively by keeping to picks ranked at that spot… I would say that they did a poor job of projecting prospects to players at the top of the draft.

I wasn’t defending Snow. I’m glad they got Pelech. Kind of funny that he is exactly what the Isles were looking for in Reinhart. But that still doesn’t excuse missing on Reinhart of course.

they drafted all defenseman in 2012. that kind of thinking should get you fired.

 

[CupHolders]

they drafted all defenseman in 2012. that kind of thinking should get you fired.

I would’ve been fine if he was fired before that draft. Lol… are you not seeing a pattern here? I’m not a fan of Garth Snow at all.

Guy was an arrogant prick, who was mediocre GM at best. Found some gems, made some great signings. Also blew some picks went cheap on coaching and development. His record is a good reflection of his overall ability.

Anyway, I think this stuff might make some people uncomfortable… because many on our board like to think that the Isles drafting was a clear-cut failure on management. While hindsight provides us the benefit of concluding that it was their fault. It doesn’t actually offer any comfort that going forward it will guarantee the Isles draft well.

In other words, you may get your hope of a high draft pick realized… but it could still end up a failed pick. And yes that would be the responsibility of whoever is the GM… Lou included.

Back on topic: I like Eetu Liukas. I’m hopeful the Isles get more players like him in the later rounds.

It’s one thing to say the Isles need to move from the fourth line of today. But it’s another thing to actually have players who can live up to that role. Instead of just backfilling it with whomever scrub. As often done when fantasy lineups are made on this site.

 

[Osakahaus]

I would’ve been fine if he was fired before that draft. Lol… are you not seeing a pattern here? I’m not a fan of Garth Snow at all.

Guy was an arrogant prick, who was mediocre GM at best. Found some gems, made some great signings. Also blew some picks went cheap on coaching and development. His record is a good reflection of his overall ability.

Anyway, I think this stuff might make some people uncomfortable… because many on our board like to think that the Isles drafting was a clear-cut failure on management. While hindsight provides us the benefit of concluding that it was their fault. It doesn’t actually offer any comfort that going forward it will guarantee the Isles draft well.

In other words, you may get your hope of a high draft pick realized… but it could still end up a failed pick. And yes that would be the responsibility of whoever is the GM… Lou included.

Back on topic: I like Eetu Liukas. I’m hopeful the Isles get more players like him in the later rounds.

It’s one thing to say the Isles need to move from the fourth line of today. But it’s another thing to actually have players who can live up to that role. Instead of just backfilling it with whomever scrub. As often done when fantasy lineups are made on this site.

I want more guys who can step in anyways. Look at Florida for this also with guys like Luostorainen. We need guys who can replace the aging players easily.

 

[SI90]

 

[doublechili]

reinhart wasn't a reach???
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hell, even looking back, it made no sense as to why he was even taken 4th overall. Garth whiffed.

Why do I have the feeling that if Garth decided to use the #4 pick on a player in Europe, it would've been Collberg?

 

[Osakahaus]

that still is a very good improvement for a player who was falling hard. Lambert currently in a downswing now that he's with Lahti.

 

[SI90]

that still is a very good improvement for a player who was falling hard. Lambert currently in a downswing now that he's with Lahti.

Maybe we can steal Lambert as well lol

 

[Osakahaus]

Why do I have the feeling that if Garth decided to use the #4 pick on a player in Europe, it would've been Collberg?

it would've been him lol but who knows. isles always go safe and it bothers me. Lou took a risk on Raty and he ends up being good. Do more of that.