Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. II

[DerekKingSnipes]

Well it also should increase because he isn't playing just two teams and no fans. Bridgeport should be better if there are more talented players coming, including golyshev (if possible)

Yes and better centers I’m sure Lou gets someone in ilk of Keith Aucoin to be their number one center. I’m sure there is someone out there for that role, I also wonder if we see Matt Moulson who was at all playoff games and read somewhere said he still wants to play. He played last two years in Hershey and was the captain in the weird COVID year.

 

[leeroggy]

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also i dont think that there was anything wrong with tomasino, suzuki, and the others who came next. it all boiled down to what the scouting staff likes. To me, if they got a guy like suzuki it would be nice, but in the "now", they really do not need a center. Holmstrom to me is someone as a project, even if the bridgeport coaching staff is pretty doodoo

In the pre-draft video online he’s labeled a goal scorer first and foremost, his shooting is accurate so I think he ends up being the successful scoring version of Dal Colle as we thought we’d have now. He’ll flourish on Pageau’s LW.

 

[Osakahaus]

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In the pre-draft video online he’s labeled a goal scorer first and foremost, his shooting is accurate so I think he ends up being the successful scoring version of Dal Colle as we thought we’d have now. He’ll flourish on Pageau’s LW.

good point. what matters most is if he can get greasy goals

 

[Wanderson]

I actually think from reading scouting reports and watching the world junior and a few games in Ahl this year he has upside as a middle six player who can play on all special teams units. He also is very good along boards and isn’t afraid of the physical game and has very good hockey sense. I can’t really think if a comparable NHLer right now.

I’m glad that you got high hopes for him! Hopefully he succeeds. My expectations are lower since I don’t rate him as a 1st round pick. He is a project and he will need plenty of time before he is ready for the big league.

I think he is the first Swedish player ever that’s getting picked in the 1st round but failing to get into the Swedish World Junior Squad in his draft year.

I watched all his games with Vita Hästen during the beginning of the season. He was underwhelming. Had issues cracking the line up with one of the worst team in the Swedish second division. He was a pleasant surprise during the World Juniors, but that’s against other juniors... one year after his draft.

 

[leeroggy]

I’m glad that you got high hopes for him! Hopefully he succeeds. My expectations are lower since I don’t rate him as a 1st round pick. He is a project and he will need plenty of time before he is ready for the big league.

I think he is the first Swedish player ever that’s getting picked in the 1st round but failing to get into the Swedish World Junior Squad in his draft year.

I watched all his games with Vita Hästen during the beginning of the season. He was underwhelming. Had issues cracking the line up with one of the worst team in the Swedish second division. He was a pleasant surprise during the World Juniors, but that’s against other juniors... one year after his draft.

I don't know what more you could ask for than stand out in the WJHC . . . he turned 20 seven weeks ago. And the team believes he can handle the AHL right now as far as being a professional. That's what a lot of people are missing with him, he's very mature to handle what he's been thrown with a pandemic away from home and his family, in a 'city' that one wouldn't brag about to other countries, in a strange season where he only played two other teams in the AHL. Progress under these circumstances is remarkable for a kid his age. None of us posting here ever experienced anything like the last 12 months unless you were old enough to experience 1968, which was just as unusual as now.

 

[doublechili]

Most young players focus on doing big things and don't pay attention to the details. Sometimes you get the opposite, and they tend to be underrated. Kenny Jonsson was a classic example. Maybe Holmstrom is the rare kid who focuses on playing the right way and has untapped offensive potential.

 

[Osakahaus]

I don't know what more you could ask for than stand out in the WJHC . . . he turned 20 seven weeks ago. And the team believes he can handle the AHL right now as far as being a professional. That's what a lot of people are missing with him, he's very mature to handle what he's been thrown with a pandemic away from home and his family, in a 'city' that one wouldn't brag about to other countries, in a strange season where he only played two other teams in the AHL. Progress under these circumstances is remarkable for a kid his age. None of us posting here ever experienced anything like the last 12 months unless you were old enough to experience 1968, which was just as unusual as now.

Also consider that he's still trying to find himself in hockey. This takes time, and when he's fully mature you'll see a different player. Thats why you shouldn't get too attached to the draft anyways. Roll with what happens, and if they turn out good, then its a great journey. We've had our share of bad reaches anyways, and terrible gambles. What happened in 2014 could've happened again in 2015 and so on and so forth

 

[IslandersFan17]

Also consider that he's still trying to find himself in hockey. This takes time, and when he's fully mature you'll see a different player. Thats why you shouldn't get too attached to the draft anyways. Roll with what happens, and if they turn out good, then its a great journey. We've had our share of bad reaches anyways, and terrible gambles. What happened in 2014 could've happened again in 2015 and so on and so forth

The draft is very important. Especially when you are a cap strapped team, who could really benefit from in-house options that don’t break the bank.

Moreover, every current important piece on this roster was drafted here. We have seen a lot of teams never climb out of the basement because of poor drafting.

 

[Osakahaus]

The draft is very important. Especially when you are a cap strapped team, who could really benefit from in-house options that don’t break the bank.

Moreover, every current important piece on this roster was drafted here. We have seen a lot of teams never climb out of the basement because of poor drafting.

but this also pairs with development. this franchise can attest to that with the way that we actually developed and grew prospects. i don't say the draft isn't important btw, but what you need to understand most is that teams need proper development for their prospects. For the isles, being able to develop both barzal and beau by not rushing them, but letting them play out as a result. For us, it does make sense for holmstrom to be a integral piece, but he doesn't have to be rushed into the NHL now.

 

[IslandersFan17]

but this also pairs with development. this franchise can attest to that with the way that we actually developed and grew prospects. i don't say the draft isn't important btw, but what you need to understand most is that teams need proper development for their prospects. For the isles, being able to develop both barzal and beau by not rushing them, but letting them play out as a result. For us, it does make sense for holmstrom to be a integral piece, but he doesn't have to be rushed into the NHL now.

You mentioned Barzal and Beau, but leave out Dal Colle, Nino, Reinhart, Ho-Sang, Strome….

There is no exact science to when these kids will be ready or not. Moreover, there is nothing about Bridgeport that makes me believe it’s a great developmental program.

while we might not need Holmström right now, but in no way, shape, or form does that mean we don’t need to see some legit growth in the minors from him.

 

[Osakahaus]

You mentioned Barzal and Beau, but leave out Dal Colle, Nino, Reinhart, Ho-Sang, Strome….

There is no exact science to when these kids will be ready or not. Moreover, there is nothing about Bridgeport that makes me believe it’s a great developmental program.

while we might not need Holmström right now, but in no way, shape, or form does that mean we don’t need to see some legit growth in the minors from him.

I left them out because it was in argument of what this org has done right. Remember, i did say "this franchise can attest to that with the way that we actually developed and grew prospects", so it wasn't me forgetting that

Holmstrom will continue to grow, weather through the way his board play grows, his forechecking, or simply put his numbers, thats what he has to keep doing when he's in bridgeport. Thompson has to keep improving or else we have a lot of raised eyebrows about the future of this team. Again, bridgeport has been very lackluster as an AHL franchise

 

[IslandersFan17]

I left them out because it was in argument of what this org has done right. Remember, i did say "this franchise can attest to that with the way that we actually developed and grew prospects", so it wasn't me forgetting that

Holmstrom will continue to grow, weather through the way his board play grows, his forechecking, or simply put his numbers, thats what he has to keep doing when he's in bridgeport. Thompson has to keep improving or else we have a lot of raised eyebrows about the future of this team. Again, bridgeport has been very lackluster as an AHL franchise

How can you say in one breath he will continue to grow, while mentioning his lackluster Bridgeport has been?

also, you can’t point out what they have done right without mention the overwhelming amount they have done wrong. It gives a more nuanced perspective and context.

 

[Osakahaus]

How can you say in one breath he will continue to grow, while mentioning his lackluster Bridgeport has been?

also, you can’t point out what they have done right without mention the overwhelming amount they have done wrong. It gives a more nuanced perspective and context.

Because I personally have faith in this kids actual play?

 

[Osakahaus]

Also i do understand that bridgeport has been a mess, thats not a doubt in my eyes. But at the same exact time, look at how much the old management cared for the farm system as well. Its a god damn shame. Is it MDC's fault that he really isn't a made NHL player? At the end of the day, theres always more variables involved with players and their development.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Also i do understand that bridgeport has been a mess, thats not a doubt in my eyes. But at the same exact time, look at how much the old management cared for the farm system as well. Its a god damn shame. Is it MDC's fault that he really isn't a made NHL player? At the end of the day, theres always more variables involved with players and their development. View attachment 450881

Looking back we should have known when MDC could not produce on his own in Oshawa during the 2015-2016 season he was not going to amount to much.

 

[Osakahaus]

Looking back we should have known when MDC could not produce on his own in Oshawa during the 2015-2016 season he was not going to amount to much.

MDC feels like a forechecker taken way too high. He's not bad for depth but he absolutely should've never been a top 5 pick

 

[IslandersFan17]

Because I personally have faith in this kids actual play?

Having faith is perfectly fine, hell it’s encouraged. However, on a realistic level, he’s done little to promote a reason to have faith that he’ll ever become anything legit.

 

[Osakahaus]

Having faith is perfectly fine, hell it’s encouraged. However, on a realistic level, he’s done little to promote a reason to have faith that he’ll ever become anything legit.

I think him also having to adjust to the AHL and america the first two years, hopping around from sweden to america, and basically being everywhere has been impacting holmstrom also.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

Holmstrom made the transition to the North American game last season and his game should continue to improve after this big step.

Also as I recall Holmstrom was only considered a reach because of his injuries early on and was always considered a real talent.

Expecting more strides forward in 2022 and the kid to still has top/middle six potential and an NHL target in 2022-3.

 

[Icejoker]

IF You look at The Draft Analyst , I say he has players from the Nordic countries higher then they go (ex Salo nr33) , but Holmstrom was very low nr 83 another swede was 20 but go as nr 40. Hoglander and he has more points than Wahlstrom in NHL.

 

[IslesNorway]

Holmstrom made the transition to the North American game last season and his game should continue to improve after this big step.

Also as I recall Holmstrom was only considered a reach because of his injuries early on and was always considered a real talent.

Expecting more strides forward in 2022 and the kid to still has top/middle six potential and an NHL target in 2022-3.

Was he ever really ranked or expected to go 1st round? I know some analysts liked him a lot but the main consensus even after the pick was that it was a round early, injury or not.

From what I've seen in Bridgeport, he is a long way away from making any sort of impact in the NHL

 

[Osakahaus]

IF You look at The Draft Analyst , I say he has players from the Nordic countries higher then they go (ex Salo nr33) , but Holmstrom was very low nr 83 another swede was 20 but go as nr 40. Hoglander and he has more points than Wahlstrom in NHL.

Hoglander hasn't made the playoffs and played in a division where goaltending didn't exist lmfao

 

[Osakahaus]

Was he ever really ranked or expected to go 1st round? I know some analysts liked him a lot but the main consensus even after the pick was that it was a round early, injury or not.

From what I've seen in Bridgeport, he is a long way away from making any sort of impact in the NHL

he's 20. kids gotta grow first to make an impact

 

[IslandersFan17]

Hoglander hasn't made the playoffs and played in a division where goaltending didn't exist lmfao

What does making the playoffs have to do with his production?

Moreover, Höglander never played in the AHL, came right over from Sweden and played directly in the NHL….

 

[Osakahaus]

What does making the playoffs have to do with his production?

Moreover, Höglander never played in the AHL, came right over from Sweden and played directly in the NHL….

Canucks run differently than us. I don't want to get angry that someone made the NHL jump earlier than our player, the canucks needed him to step in simply because of their cap woes, while we don't really need the youth to fill in plugs unless its by them being able to do so.