Is this leafs team likeable?

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Yep, sure. Whatever.

Those of us who actually watched all the Isles games that season know nothing. Invented all the benchings in the 3rd periods that we saw. You're the perfect example of a cynic; you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Barzal and Beauvillier were the whipping boys that year when a mistake was made. JT would give away games with his defense and lengthy shifts. AND NEVER PAY A PRICE.

Believe what you want.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but how old was Barzal that season? Young players do make mistakes. Babcock even punished Marner by playing him on the 4th line when he was playing poorly early on in his career.

If the implication is that the NYI is a better team just because JT left that would be disingenuous.
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, .

He's wrong. His entire narrative of Weight picking on Barzal while Trotz was easier on him is exactly the opposite of what happened. After a huge rookie year under Weight whereby Weight let him freelance, Trotz brought discipline to his game, made him earn ice, wouldn't play him in some defensive situations, wouldn't let him take key faceoffs in the D zone, etc...

This is just one of the articles going around from that time with Trotz discussing how he needed to get better.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/01/mathew-barzals-struggles-are-real-predictable-and-costly/

“I would say it’s been erratic for him,” first-year Islanders coach Barry Trotz said before Thursday night’s match against the Penguins at Barclays Center. “One of the things that happens when you have a great first season — and I talked to Mathew [about this] even in the summer — it’s not going to be as easy. And he’s finding it’s not. Trust me, he’s trying.

“He wants to be one of the leaders of the team. I think obviously with Johnny moving on to Toronto, he feels that he has to fill a bigger void. One of the dangers is that he’s trying to fill that bigger void and I’m trying to tell him just play the right way. You’re a good player. Know the protocols, do all those things. With the way we play, we’re going to have enough. We have other people that will fill those voids collectively.”

"Just getting him to understand to play the right way, play it hard and don’t get jammed up with whatever decision I make,” Trotz said. “Whether you’re on the ice or not on the ice, how it’s going, how productive or non-productive you are — all those things — just play. Just play and play the right way and you’ll be productive and we’ll win.”

“I know in junior, I had the same adjustment, coming into a coach that made me detailed, made me hard on battles and made me a complete player,” Barzal said. “At the end of the day, we won. It’s tough playing the right way all the time, but it’s the only way you win. I want to win here, that’s my goal. The quicker I can make the adjustment into Barry’s system, where everything is predictable, then it’s going to be exciting because this team has a lot of potential.”
Now getting all the first-line matchups that Tavares got this past season, Barzal needs to play at both ends of the rink in order for the team to be successful. He knows that, and it’s something Trotz is trying to help him establish.

“Once he gets all those things locked in, he’s going to be a tremendous player, a two-way player,” Trotz said. “My goal is to make him an elite two-way player in the National Hockey League, not just an elite talent. There’s a big difference between those two.”

 
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but how old was Barzal that season? Young players do make mistakes. Babcock even punished Marner by playing him on the 4th line when he was playing poorly early on in his career.

If the implication is that the NYI is a better team just because JT left that would be disingenuous.

Ironically, the Islanders turnaround is mostly due to changing them form a freewheeling "loose" group to the predictable "tight" group Babcock likes. The opposite of what we seem to be trying to do by moving away from Babs.

This isn't to say we/they are doing the wrong thing because what is best for any particular team is somewhat dependent on the type of talent you have. You can't play that loose keep the puck style style and win if you don't have the horses and the Islanders certainly don't. Similarly, we don't have the horses to be playing a tight physical dump and chase brand of defensively responsible hockey that they do.
 
Now that the shine of a new coach has worn off, this team is back to the unlikable group they are.
With Mckinnon’s comments today, they become even harder to like.
 
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I find it extremely hilarious how Matthews/Marner/Nylander went from being the saviors of the Leafs, to now being the downfall of the Leafs :laugh:

Never change my fellow Leaf fans, never change :sarcasm:
 
Nylander has 3 blocked shots this season. That really says it all. Known playoff losers like Panarin and Taylor Hall are at the bottom of their bottom feeding teams in terms of blocked shots, and they still have more than Nylander.

I will say that Nylander is the most unlikeable player I’ve seen in Leafs uniform. I don’t believe you can win a championship with players like Nylander, who do not do what it takes to win. The Leafs have been mediocre ever since Nylander came back after his extension. I absolutely hate watching him play.

I like certain players like Hyman, Marner, Kappy and Andersen. Overall the team is unlikable.
 
I find it extremely hilarious how Matthews/Marner/Nylander went from being the saviors of the Leafs, to now being the downfall of the Leafs :laugh:

Never change my fellow Leaf fans, never change :sarcasm:
Now that two of them are grossly overpaid, they absolutely are the problem.
Just take a look at the top teams core players and ask yourself how ours compares to theirs and who is paying more money for it.
Trade one of Mathews or marner..... or both
 
Nylander has 3 blocked shots this season. That really says it all. Known playoff losers like Panarin and Taylor Hall are at the bottom of their bottom feeding teams in terms of blocked shots, and they still have more than Nylander.

I will say that Nylander is the most unlikeable player I’ve seen in Leafs uniform. I don’t believe you can win a championship with players like Nylander, who do not do what it takes to win. The Leafs have been mediocre ever since Nylander came back after his extension. I absolutely hate watching him play.

I like certain players like Hyman, Marner, Kappy and Andersen. Overall the team is unlikable.


Over a gazillion people know that you don't like Nylander.

You probably go around neighborhoods and put posters on every corner post.:)


"I hate William Nylander"

Signed by

DavePoulin4PM
:naughty::sarcasm:

 
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Well... they quit on the coach... quit on each other... are the only team in the league without a fighting major and probably a double roughing minor if we looked hard enough....

The question isn’t whether we like them.... it’s whether they like each other.

Answer seems to be.... no.
 
Now that two of them are grossly overpaid, they absolutely are the problem.
Just take a look at the top teams core players and ask yourself how ours compares to theirs and who is paying more money for it.
Trade one of Mathews or marner..... or both

I agree with you that two of them are overpaid, but by how much? 1 million for Matthews, and 2 million for Marner? That's 3 million. We shouldn't have overpaid, but we also shouldn't be freaking out for 3 million extra per year when we have zero bad players with bad contracts. Look at other top teams such as Boston and you'll find they've been overpaying depth players such as useless Backes an extra 6 million.

The problem right now isn't the money, it's that these high-end offensive players haven't been producing. I don't believe for a second that Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander are going to continue producing like they have in the past 3 games. Our luck will change, and I'm hoping it's this Saturday. Under Keefe, we've been amazing in most of the 7 games yet we've managed to barely score in the past 3 games.
 
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Well... they quit on the coach... quit on each other... are the only team in the league without a fighting major and probably a double roughing minor if we looked hard enough....

The question isn’t whether we like them.... it’s whether they like each other.

Answer seems to be.... no.
Couldn’t agree more.
If I was on that team I think I would despise guys like marner and Matthews for extorting every Penney they could out of the team and then performing like second line players.
At their pay, they need to be superstars... neither player is even close.
 
I agree with you that two of them are overpaid, but by how much? 1 million for Matthews, and 2 million for Marner? That's 3 million. We shouldn't have overpaid, but we also shouldn't be freaking out for 3 million extra per year when we have zero bad players with bad contracts. Look at other top teams such as Boston and you'll find they've been overpaying depth players such as useless Backes an extra 6 million.

The problem right now isn't the money, it's that these high-end offensive players haven't been producing. I don't believe for a second that Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander are going to continue producing like they have in the past 3 games. Our luck will change, and I'm hoping it's this Saturday. Under Keefe, we've been amazing in most of the 7 games yet we've managed to barely score in the past 3 games.
It’s not just the money though. It’s the selfish mentality. That spreads and destroys team chemistry.
Especially when we hear guys like Mckinnon saying things like “I have no regrets with my current contract and I intend to take less on the next one as well”
 
This is my 2nd least liked leafs team. 1st was 13-15 leafs from phanuef/kessel/lupul era(liked some if the players enough, but hated management).

I used to think marner was a home town hero. Still like him as a player but obviously my view on him as a person has changed. He should never ever claim hes a hometown kid and bleeds blue and white. He bleeds money like everyone else. Good for him getting paid but the expectations are crazy high now and his name has been sullied all to get 6 million extra dollars ( over 6 years).

Nylander used to be one of my favourite players then he sat out for no good reason for 2 months. Got overpaid 500k and played like he was trying to get himself traded off the team last year. At least he has bounced back somewhat this year and his contract is not as bad as it looked last year ( probably a slight overpay still as hes on pace for 60 points and has yet to break out into 70 point production).

Matthews I used to think was a generational talent and an all around great leader. Thought his combo of size, shot, hands, IQ and defensive awareness would have him develop to be the 2nd best player in the world who would give us a slight discount for being a contending team. Hes failed to live up to the hype, I've been noticing several flaws in his game for over a year now and he took every penny he could get while giving us 5 years term. His work ethic and conditioning are starting to concern me and he does not give the image of it improving anytime soon.

I still like rielly and own a Jersey of his. Hes had his struggles this year but still think hes a elite player when healthy and on. Hope he sticks around on his next deal and doesnt pull what the other 3 pulled on us.
 
Likeable: Reilly, kapanen, johnsson, dermott, Hyman, Moore, muzzin, Mikheyev, Andersen

so-so: Nylander, J.T., kerfoot, goat, Spezza

unlikeable: everyone else
 
This whole greed vs likeability thing just reeks of omega male chatter. Just not sure when male hockey fans stopped growing testicles.
 
it's relevant under a hard cap.
It isnt relevent on the players...only the gm. This is a sport. Mastery, skill and will is the predominant attributes of the hierarchy. Attempting to debase a player on a social hierarchy is not relevant. The stars that emerge from this team will not necessarily be the most likeable. They will be the most competent alpha dogs. Marner, Matthews and Nylander will live and die by the skills they possess relative to what they are being paid. I get that. Not taking less is irrelevant beyond that. Likeability is irrelevant.
 

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