Is this leafs team likeable?

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This league thinks they can take the biggest hockey market for granted, that we’ll always be here just because it’s Canada and because of our long tradition.

The NHL wants to expand in the south and in newer markets, which is fine, except that they lost out on an entire generation of youth and immigrants in Toronto who could have become fans, but instead went the Raptors and Jays route. What was there for a potential fan to cheer for in the last 15 years? Some of those potential fans are lost for good, others might join at a later date, but not as enthusiastically or as a secondary fan to another team in another sport.
Absolutely correct.

And it gets worse- the professional hockey league is in fact the American Association of Unites States Ice Hockey Teams that has a Canadian Branch Plant Division. Gary Bettman knows full well that the AAUSIHT needs a fat-cat US TV deal and he fully knows that the US TV networks loath non-American needle moving Canadian teams on their network.

The Canadian Branch Plant division pays for the bills in the regular season, but as soon as the playoffs start, they become a determent and need to be taken out.

Many Canadians find it insulting and impossible to accept, but that Obie -Wan Kenobi
thing on Hockey Night in Canada, ""Hockey is what gives Canada its power. Hockey is like an energy field created by all living Canadians. It surrounds Canadians and penetrates Canadians. It binds Canadians together," is a myth, and is not true! Professional hockey is as American as the National Basketball Association, MLB and the NFL. Let me be clear on what professional hockey is not- professional hockey is not Canadian, but instead American. Bell and Rogers have a very strong interest and have built TV and radio networks around the Obie- Wan Kenobie myth of hockey in Canada, but sadly for Canadians, you will always get sucker punched for your devotion
 
I just watched our captain get smashed from behind by a total wimp in David Pasternak and already know they will do nothing about it, and so does Pasternak. Last time we played Boston I watched Brad Marchand shove Mitch Marner on the ice at the end of a game that was already decided, pin him there with his knee and slap him around a bit just to disrespect the Leafs team. It was like a schoolyard bully shoving dirt in a nerds face. Not only is the team unlikable but so are the people running it. A pacifist for a coach, a male-feminist for a gm, and a president who was apparently spearheading the NHL getting rid of body checking and fighting.

:laugh:

It's true. Something like you being thrown in the wild and 5 dominant male lions are patrolling. These fools proceed to give you a philosophy book and some peace signs.

My reply: Listen, I need two things. An AK-47 and a lot of ammo.
 
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The salary cap was never good for the Leafs or their fan base. The NHL shot itself in the foot when they imposed a salary cap in 2005. This league thinks they can take the biggest hockey market for granted, that we’ll always be here just because it’s Canada and because of our long tradition.

The NHL wants to expand in the south and in newer markets, which is fine, except that they lost out on an entire generation of youth and immigrants in Toronto who could have become fans, but instead went the Raptors and Jays route. What was there for a potential fan to cheer for in the last 15 years? Some of those potential fans are lost for good, others might join at a later date, but not as enthusiastically or as a secondary fan to another team in another sport.

In the long run, the salary cap will prove to be detrimental to the league, because as Toronto goes, so does the league. Baseball had a stranglehold in America in the 1950s, because the NY market was well-catered. Look what happened to America’s national pastime since then. The NHL thinks Toronto will always be the cash cow it wants them to be. Unless the Leafs do some winning soon, the NHL might learn the hard way that you should always take care of your best customer.


except....toronto has never been good.
 
Cap Shmap
It’s without a doubt the worst thing to happen to NHL hockey and or to any professional sport ...
If you and your franchise and city can’t play with the Big boys and a girls in terms of financial and customer and merchandise and Tv and radio support , then bigger off !
I’m sick of the cap and this parity bull ****e !
Sick of it .. it’s another word and term for participation medals ..
There always saying well if this team or that team ever wins , then the fans will come out , bull crap .. listen y’all , not every team wins , and you may never win , a solid franchise and fan support is either there or not , either you have money or you don’t ...
It’s great to hate the Yankees as I do , it’s great to hate the Sox and Dodgers like I do , that’s real fan and sport interest ..there the big bad bully in terms of money , well the interest is in trying to beat them and hate on them ..
No not in today’s NHL Love in
It’s all about everyone makes it ..
Soon there will be 6 wildcard teams and everyone makes the playoffs
Bull I say ! Bull to that!
Get lost , Ottawa , get lost , Florida , get lost all those teams that draw poorly , you know what , that’s what the ECHL and amateur sports are for ..
Let’s get back to dynasty’s and a good hate for the big teams in the sporting world
Also because the Leafs are loaded , money wise lol
In all seriousness
The cap stinks in my books !!

Are you kidding me?

The NFL is VERY healthy financially and has a hard cap. And if Kaepernick hadn't come along their popularity would be unassailable.

The Yankees haven't won a World Series in 10 years. Baseball's interest on TV is down but attendance is strong and look at the markets that win titles now. In Baseball it's ALL ABOUT player development, not money. I watched TWO Florida Marlins teams win World Series titles with meager payrolls and hungry young talent. The interest in baseball fell because the sport is boring to today's youth, not because the Yankees weren't winning every year.

The NBA hasn't had a big market champ since the Lakers in 2010. The Knicks are HORRIBLE but the interest in the NBA worldwide is booming. TWO high-end free agents TURNED DOWN the Knicks in favor the THE NETS!

Do you honestly think the NHL in the Original Six days were better than today? If this was still the Original Six you'd be vying for viewers in the U.S. with the Premier Lacrosse League.

My god, with all the threads on here about the President, GM, Coach, Player Softness, etc., it's the SALARY CAP that is the problem?
 
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Are you kidding me?

The NFL is VERY healthy financially and has a hard cap.
no guaranteed contract is why the NFL's cap works, that and the fact it's like a million times more popular a sport than NHL hockey, hockey can't touch College football in popularity let alone the NFL.
 
Are you kidding me?

The NFL is VERY healthy financially and has a hard cap. And if Kaepernick hadn't come along their popularity would be unassailable.

The Yankees haven't won a World Series in 10 years. Baseball's interest on TV is down but attendance is strong and look at the markets that win titles now. In Baseball it's ALL ABOUT player development, not money. I watched TWO Florida Marlins teams win World Series titles with meager payrolls and hungry young talent. The interest in baseball fell because the sport is boring to today's youth, not because the Yankees weren't winning every year.

The NBA hasn't had a big market champ since the Lakers in 2010. The Knicks are HORRIBLE but the interest in the NBA worldwide is booming. TWO high-end free agents TURNED DOWN the Knicks in favor the THE NETS!

Do you honestly think the NHL in the Original Six days were better than today? If this was still the Original Six you'd be vying for viewers in the U.S. with the Premier Lacrosse League.

My god, with all the threads on here about the President, GM, Coach, Player Softness, etc., it's the SALARY CAP that is the problem?
Well , did you ever sh it kick my points all to hell with all those in your way facts and stats ...
How dare you come in with sane , justifiable arguments ....
You are 100% right on almost everything you said and implied , terrific reply and very thought out and very factual response
My hats off to you ...
I agree with all your facts and stats ...
My points were rather personal opinion , very biased based concepts .
They certainly were not rational , but mere antidotal in nature with my tongue kinda firmly in place ..
However they were not “ excuse based “ by any means , and not to say in any way that this is reasoning for the Leafs being in their hole at the moment or ever ..
I personally dislike “ financially capped “ sports that’s all ..
Also regardless on how the “ Yankees “ are doing in terms of wins and losses ..
The mere notion and reality that they spend lots of dollars and that they are perceived to be the bad guys is what I like about it ..
And I really like the possibility of dynasties in sports as well .
But again props to you for calling me out on the reality of stats and financial facts .
Go Leafs Go !!!
 
Well , did you ever sh it kick my points all to hell with all those in your way facts and stats ...
How dare you come in with sane , justifiable arguments ....
You are 100% right on almost everything you said and implied , terrific reply and very thought out and very factual response
My hats off to you ...
I agree with all your facts and stats ...
My points were rather personal opinion , very biased based concepts .
They certainly were not rational , but mere antidotal in nature with my tongue kinda firmly in place ..
However they were not “ excuse based “ by any means , and not to say in any way that this is reasoning for the Leafs being in their hole at the moment or ever ..
I personally dislike “ financially capped “ sports that’s all ..
Also regardless on how the “ Yankees “ are doing in terms of wins and losses ..
The mere notion and reality that they spend lots of dollars and that they are perceived to be the bad guys is what I like about it ..
And I really like the possibility of dynasties in sports as well .
But again props to you for calling me out on the reality of stats and financial facts .
Go Leafs Go !!!

I like you! But Go Islanders!

Have a great week.
 
GM is trying to build the softest team in NHL history - you need foot soldiers-Mans game
 
This team is beyond unlikable right now.

Especially since we're only 5 points ahead of Ottawa and they have 2 games in hand.
 
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Hate the islanders but loved And respected the team in the 70s
That defence man , what’s his name er hm I think it is ??? Potvin guy was pretty good eh lolol
One of my favourites without a doubt one of the best and underrated ...
Go Leafs Go

As an outsider, here's what I am seeing.

In a way you did us a favor with signing JT. Even though it would have been okay to see how Trotz would have handled him, there's been a flaw to him that is really getting magnified with this season. I'm a pretty good judge of people due to my career and I've always been struck by what I see as his low emotional IQ. In his days on the Island I never saw a person who was truly comfortable with the full range of leadership. He was far more comfortable with the physical side of that (work effort, offseason work, etc.) but terrible at the verbal side of it.

And I think that because of his early years (the junior hockey waiver, the acclaim and the accolades in his junior career) he learned to be too robotic in how he interacted with people and the media, seeking affection and approval instead of being willing to put himself on the line. He was never the type in NY to kick someone in the ass, which is necessary once in a while if you are an effective leader. The stats were there on the ice but there were some really bad habits he had here too on the ice. He never really learned how to play in the defensive zone at the level necessary for example. Compare that to Barzal, who is really an Alpha male verbally and in seeking out a leadership role, and who willingly took a step back last year to inculcate what Trotz taught, and look at him now. Even JT's attempt at humor with Barzal ('that kid who won the Calder') backfired as seen by how Barzal talks about JT now.

He came into a situation with players that we can honestly say are works in progress when it comes to maturity in Matthews, Marner, etc., and that's where his reluctance to kick it in verbally is hurting the team as captain. He didn't have to deal with those types of personalities on Long Island. Compare that to captains like Yzerman, Messier, Clarke, Potvin and today's contemporaries like Crosby, Chara, Weber and some others. One thing that should have been a warning sign is his Team Canada play, where he clearly relished being the supporting player instead of demanding a leadership role. There's something missing here.

For all the issues in the construction of the team (I think the toughness issue is very true, but maybe even more mentally than physically, although physical toughness does mean a lot to mental confidence in the NHL) you still need your captain to hold others accountable, even if it means losing some popularity with them. I'm sure there were a few of Messier's teammates over the years who secretly wanted to bitch about him, but wouldn't dare. I don't see JT as having that sort of willingness to lead.

If it were me I would see about trading Matthews (the Kadri trade was a disaster to me as he could easily handle the 2C in Matthew's absence). A few other pieces could go too and I'm guessing if you open space up you could make a run at Greiss as a FA. This is really a tough situation for you unless the Cap does go up a decent amount with Seattle and the new TV deal. If there were ever a time to take a step back to take two steps forward this is it. One little thing I noticed in so many games, from all your defensemen: how many times way they allow passes to get through them on 2 on 1's. Since Pee Wee, defenders are taught to take away the pass but I'd bet big money your team leads the league in letting up 2 on 1 goals because of that flaw.
 
As an outsider, here's what I am seeing.

In a way you did us a favor with signing JT. Even though it would have been okay to see how Trotz would have handled him, there's been a flaw to him that is really getting magnified with this season. I'm a pretty good judge of people due to my career and I've always been struck by what I see as his low emotional IQ. In his days on the Island I never saw a person who was truly comfortable with the full range of leadership. He was far more comfortable with the physical side of that (work effort, offseason work, etc.) but terrible at the verbal side of it.

And I think that because of his early years (the junior hockey waiver, the acclaim and the accolades in his junior career) he learned to be too robotic in how he interacted with people and the media, seeking affection and approval instead of being willing to put himself on the line. He was never the type in NY to kick someone in the ass, which is necessary once in a while if you are an effective leader. The stats were there on the ice but there were some really bad habits he had here too on the ice. He never really learned how to play in the defensive zone at the level necessary for example. Compare that to Barzal, who is really an Alpha male verbally and in seeking out a leadership role, and who willingly took a step back last year to inculcate what Trotz taught, and look at him now. Even JT's attempt at humor with Barzal ('that kid who won the Calder') backfired as seen by how Barzal talks about JT now.

He came into a situation with players that we can honestly say are works in progress when it comes to maturity in Matthews, Marner, etc., and that's where his reluctance to kick it in verbally is hurting the team as captain. He didn't have to deal with those types of personalities on Long Island. Compare that to captains like Yzerman, Messier, Clarke, Potvin and today's contemporaries like Crosby, Chara, Weber and some others. One thing that should have been a warning sign is his Team Canada play, where he clearly relished being the supporting player instead of demanding a leadership role. There's something missing here.

For all the issues in the construction of the team (I think the toughness issue is very true, but maybe even more mentally than physically, although physical toughness does mean a lot to mental confidence in the NHL) you still need your captain to hold others accountable, even if it means losing some popularity with them. I'm sure there were a few of Messier's teammates over the years who secretly wanted to ***** about him, but wouldn't dare. I don't see JT as having that sort of willingness to lead.

If it were me I would see about trading Matthews (the Kadri trade was a disaster to me as he could easily handle the 2C in Matthew's absence). A few other pieces could go too and I'm guessing if you open space up you could make a run at Greiss as a FA. This is really a tough situation for you unless the Cap does go up a decent amount with Seattle and the new TV deal. If there were ever a time to take a step back to take two steps forward this is it. One little thing I noticed in so many games, from all your defensemen: how many times way they allow passes to get through them on 2 on 1's. Since Pee Wee, defenders are taught to take away the pass but I'd bet big money your team leads the league in letting up 2 on 1 goals because of that flaw.

here’s a little New York for you ..
thanks Captain obvious high-liner
Now Go eat some fish sticks ...Gary Howitt

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Wink wink
We will see you in the playoffs
Now go out to Nassau and drown
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