Is Slafkovsky the worst #1 pick ever ?

[BaseballCoach]

Seems to have no particular talent, no skill, no speed, big with no big man qualities, doesn’t produce points, his shot is bad, his passing is average… Is he the worst first pick ever ?

Clearly no talent or skill.

 

[Voight]

People talking **** on Slafkovsky and acting like Bedard, Fantilli and Cooley haven't been net negatives to their teams is seriously amazing.

 

[ryan callahan]

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-15 (or an equally terrible 44.90% GF or 43.88% XGF at 5v5) all the while having by far the highest OZone starts percentage on his own team. Stop glazing and tell me exactly why do you think I am wrong? Because he scored a Michigan yesterday? Get a grip buddy.

 

[Voight]

-15 (or an equally terrible 44.90% GF or 43.88% XGF at 5v5) all the while having by far the highest OZone starts percentage on his own team. Stop glazing and tell me exactly why do you think I am wrong? Because he scored a Michigan yesterday? Get a grip buddy.

Hes -15 on the 2nd worst team in the league... shocker!

Hes nearly PPG as an 18 year old rookie. He is the furthest thing from a net negative.

I think you're wrong because as a Hawks fan I've seen most of his games and he has been as advertised. I certainly wouldn't call him A net negative at all. Hes done great given how awful the team around him is.

 

[ryan callahan]

Hes -15 on the 2nd worst team in the league... shocker!

Hes nearly PPG as an 18 year old rookie. He is the furthest thing from a net negative.

I think you're wrong because as a Hawks fan I've seen most of his games and he has been as advertised. I certainly wouldn't call him A net negative at all. Hes done great given how awful the team around him is.

A truly great player wouldn't use a bad team as an excuse to perform to acceptable standards. Crosby was -2 in his rookie year playing with garbage finished players and career AHLers. And the GF% part is a fact. When he is on the ice, he gets outscored by the opposition. Therefore being a net negative at the usage he is getting by the Blackhawks.

 

[SlafySZN]

Difference is other players have shown flashes of brilliance. This guys highlight moments are retrieving loose pucks.

On top of that, he wasn't even the consensus #1 pick, unlike other top prospects who drafted at the appropriate position. Ask Habs fans if they'd rather have Slaf or one of Nemec/Cooley. Dude only has 12 points and pacing for 29 over a full season, that's straight up atrocious for a #1 pick, especially in this crazy high scoring era. It would be like pacing for 15-20 points in the Yakupov era.

Cooley has 1 less goals and only 5 more points than Slaf right now but somehow he’s a star and we’re supposed to want him.

 

[Voight]

A truly great player wouldn't use a bad team as an excuse to perform to acceptable standards. Crosby was -2 in his rookie year playing with garbage finished players and career AHLers. And the GF% part is a fact. When he is on the ice, he gets outscored by the opposition. Therefore being a net negative at the usage he is getting by the Blackhawks.

Lemieux was -33 in his rookie year. Guess he wasn't a truly great player eh?

Also who's to say Bedard's +/- won't go down by the time the season finishes... there's still another 49 games to play..

 

[Hins77]

Cooley has 1 less goals and only 5 more points than Slaf right now but somehow he’s a star and we’re supposed to want him.

I pick the powerforward over the tiny Cooley. We already have the kind of Cooley in Suzuki/Caufield. Players like Slaf are way more tough to get

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Op is right...the title of this thread is asking if he’s the worst #1. It’s a ridiculous thread and seems like it was made for gaslighting purposes.

How exactly is it gaslighting?

 

[ReHabs]

A truly great player wouldn't use a bad team as an excuse to perform to acceptable standards. Crosby was -2 in his rookie year playing with garbage finished players and career AHLers. And the GF% part is a fact. When he is on the ice, he gets outscored by the opposition. Therefore being a net negative at the usage he is getting by the Blackhawks.

Slafkovsky had 10pts in 39gp, on pace for the worst top drafted forward scoring pace in the past 23+ years with 21 pts, and was -13 in his rookie season.

 

[Silky Johnson]

A truly great player wouldn't use a bad team as an excuse to perform to acceptable standards. Crosby was -2 in his rookie year playing with garbage finished players and career AHLers. And the GF% part is a fact. When he is on the ice, he gets outscored by the opposition. Therefore being a net negative at the usage he is getting by the Blackhawks.

Bedard is a -5 at 5on5.

 

[deleted user]

People gonna hate.

 

[Colezuki]

Anyone whose watched him this season consistently, not just game her or there has seen a dramatic upward trend over the last two or three months. The stat watchers all think we’re talking a hot streak we’re actually talking about a 10-15 game sample where he’s played as one of our best forwards. It’s the play style that’s changed, not the points,he’s more assertive in his body. Last year he was getting run over by perfetti, and was knocking over Larkin without actually trying too. T during this stretch he’s been an bsolute bull as a forechecker pulling a 2nd defender in and freeing caufield and Suzuki. He’s never going to be bedard but I can definitely see him having a Rick Nash like career

 

[Nicko999]

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But i guess a pro like yourself knows more then these guys.

Ah the good old rankings... always good for a good laugh. Those guys are not experts. At least not more than our scouts.

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[CauZuki]

Ah the good old rankings... always good for a good laugh. Those guys are not experts. At least not more than our scouts.

From 2012. How accurate did the ranking turned out?

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I would argue we were especially bad a development , especially players that played in any non-standard way. Our drafting also was suspect but I think it falls more on development based on what we've seen. I am of the opinion we've already turned the page from those days. As our youngsters are actually doing well in the AHL / Junior / Europe.

 

[Nicko999]

Your expert Pronman also had the Dallas Stars as 27th in the league for young core with Heiskanen, Robertson and Hintze in the pipeline back in 2018 while MTL was 17th with guys like Suzuki and Kotkaniemi but nothing else.

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[kingsholygrail]

He's played some NHL games, so he can't be the worst ever.

 

[AvroArrow]

Cooley has 1 less goals and only 5 more points than Slaf right now but somehow he’s a star and we’re supposed to want him.

17 points in 33 while playing impressive winning hockey > 12 points in 33 while being completely irrelevant. Well not completely, he wins a board battle every game !

 

[SlafySZN]

17 points in 33 while playing impressive winning hockey > 12 points in 33 while being completely irrelevant. Well not completely, he wins a board battle every game !

You haven’t watch one game of the yotes or habs, right?

I’ll let you live in whatever imagination world you live in lol.

 

[AvroArrow]

You haven’t watch one game of the yotes or habs, right?

I’ll let you live in whatever imagination world you live in lol.

When your fans are partying because he won a board battle, you know its baaaaaaaaad.

 

[SlafySZN]

When your fans are partying because he won a board battle, you know its baaaaaaaaad.

So, how many games you’ve watched of both? I’ll go with zero.

 

[Lshap]

17 points in 33 while playing impressive winning hockey > 12 points in 33 while being completely irrelevant. Well not completely, he wins a board battle every game !

Since early November, Cooley has 9 pts in 23 games, Slafkovsky has 11 pts in 23 games. Your interpretation of 'winning hockey' is... to be charitable... meaningless.

You're counting total points and calculating 'pace' for 19 year olds, completely unaware of progress and how quickly pace keeps changing those numbers. It's a very poor way to evaluate such raw players.

 

[dirtydanglez]

he'll likely be on par with kakko and laf. not what youre hoping for but not a bust either.

 

[ReHabs]

Since early November, Cooley has 9 pts in 23 games, Slafkovsky has 11 pts in 23 games. Your interpretation of 'winning hockey' is... to be charitable... meaningless.

You're counting total points and calculating 'pace' for 19 year olds, completely unaware of progress and how quickly pace keeps changing those numbers. It's a very poor way to evaluate such raw players.

Comparing a rookie with a sophomore is, itself, a bit pathetic. Rookies are distinguished from veterans for a reason.

Anyway the whole debate is about what they'll provide not what they're providing now. Slafkovsky's impact, if it goes well, is definitely more unique than Cooley but who knows what'll happen.

 

[Lshap]

Comparing a rookie with a sophomore is, itself, a bit pathetic. Rookies are distinguished from veterans for a reason.

The bar you've set for veterans may be a bit low.