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Is someone going to explain to this guy what "pound for pound" means or is it funnier just left alone?
Is Rick Rypien, pound-for-pound, the best fighter in the NHL?
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Is someone going to explain to this guy what "pound for pound" means or is it funnier just left alone?
Thucydides
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Jeremy Reich stunned him with a punch in the pre-season. One of the few fights I've seen Rypien lose.
It's a way to try and compare fighters that are of different weights. Usually if you have a guy that weighs 240, he could "beat up" a guy that weighs 175. so pound for pound if a method of equal comparison
so if both fighters weighed the same, but with the same skillset and atributes that they already posses
basically this question is asking if rypien (for example) weighed 240lbs (approx what brashear weighs) who would win, given both men have the same skillset that they already have.
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Who would have thought the son of a boxer would be a proficient hockey fighter? I'm sure if any of us were formally trained in fist fighting we'd be able to take on untrained people our own weight. Sure, he's p4p the best fighter, but that's against fighters who don't weren't the sons of champion boxers.
His dad beinga boxerand training him may have helped him form a better way to scrap for his size but the doing so on skates no boxer would ever be able to teach Rypien likes to fight and that is as important as his skills he just wants it more and it shows.
I can't believe some of the Pejorative Slured posts I've seen in this thread. Some of you obviously have NO idea what 'Best Pound for Pound' means at all.
He destroyed Carcillo, and just less than a week ago he destroyed Janssen, who was one of the people that posters here said was one of the toughest guys in the league. He now needs a face transplant.
Maybe YOU are missing the point.
We are not comparing how a 175lb Rypien would do against a 250lb Laraques... we are comparing how a 250lb Rypien would do against a 250lb Laraque.
We are not comparing how a a 240lb Brashear would do against a 175lb Rypien, but how a 240lb Rypien would do against him.
Obviously a guy with the same skill, that is 240lbs is going to be more dangerous than a guy that is 175lbs (Same skill). What people are saying, and rightly so, is that for his size, Rypien is the best fighter in the NHL.
This is no different than people suggesting that Manny 'Steroid' Pacquiao is the best Pound for Pound fighter in the world. People aren't debating that by saying "Well, he's never taking on Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko so he can't be the best". Former best LB for LB fighters such as Floyd Mayweather never had to go fight Heavyweights either, because the term best 'Pound for Pound' doesn't require them to. It doesn't even require that you fight guys BIGGER than you.
Some of you really need to learn what the term 'Pound for Pound' means.
Simply put best 'Pound for Pound' fighter is simply a question of "Who is the most skilled fighter". It's not asking who's able to destroy everyone. It's simply a question of who has the most skill. And without question, in my mind, Rick Rypien is the most skilled NHL Fighter there is in the NHL. Would he beat everyone as a 175lb fighter? No, he'd likely lose against people like Brashear, Laraque, etc. However, if you adjusted his weight to be the same as every fighter he faced, he would beat pretty much everyone in the NHL 9 times out of 10.
He destroyed Carcillo, and just less than a week ago he destroyed Janssen, who was one of the people that posters here said was one of the toughest guys in the league. He now needs a face transplant.
Maybe YOU are missing the point.
We are not comparing how a 175lb Rypien would do against a 250lb Laraques... we are comparing how a 250lb Rypien would do against a 250lb Laraque.
We are not comparing how a a 240lb Brashear would do against a 175lb Rypien, but how a 240lb Rypien would do against him.
Obviously a guy with the same skill, that is 240lbs is going to be more dangerous than a guy that is 175lbs (Same skill). What people are saying, and rightly so, is that for his size, Rypien is the best fighter in the NHL.
This is no different than people suggesting that Manny 'Steroid' Pacquiao is the best Pound for Pound fighter in the world. People aren't debating that by saying "Well, he's never taking on Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko so he can't be the best". Former best LB for LB fighters such as Floyd Mayweather never had to go fight Heavyweights either, because the term best 'Pound for Pound' doesn't require them to. It doesn't even require that you fight guys BIGGER than you.
Some of you really need to learn what the term 'Pound for Pound' means.
Simply put best 'Pound for Pound' fighter is simply a question of "Who is the most skilled fighter". It's not asking who's able to destroy everyone. It's simply a question of who has the most skill. And without question, in my mind, Rick Rypien is the most skilled NHL Fighter there is in the NHL. Would he beat everyone as a 175lb fighter? No, he'd likely lose against people like Brashear, Laraque, etc. However, if you adjusted his weight to be the same as every fighter he faced, he would beat pretty much everyone in the NHL 9 times out of 10.
That's analogous of saying:
oh he's just good because his dad was wayne gretzky and was exposed to hockey and thus spent a lot of time playing hockey. he's only that good because he's playing against guys that aren't as skilled as him
What some people are missing here is that Rypien doesn't have to go thru his hockey career as an undefeated fighter to be considered as one of the best #4# fighters. No one will accomplish that. Bob Probert, considered one the top, if not the top fighter in the history of the game, lost a number of fights. (And took a lot of shots from, for example, Tie Domi in some of their memorable bouts.)
Rypien will lose his fair share. But I bet he'll have something like a .700 record or perhaps more when he's done.
For a 180-ish pound guy, what he's done is remarkable, considering that he hasn't padded his stats with fights against i) guys who are equally light, or ii) noted non-pugilists. He's taken on everyone but the Boogaards and Laracques and Brashears.
Speaking of his weight, I don't think there are very many NHL-ers who are as light as Rypien, to say nothing of light NHL-ers who drop the gloves, to say nothing of light NHL-ers who drop the gloves against the likes of Stortini, Prust, Janssens etc., who are only in the league because of their fists.
Rypien will lose his fair share. But I bet he'll have something like a .700 record or perhaps more when he's done.
For a 180-ish pound guy, what he's done is remarkable, considering that he hasn't padded his stats with fights against i) guys who are equally light, or ii) noted non-pugilists. He's taken on everyone but the Boogaards and Laracques and Brashears.
Speaking of his weight, I don't think there are very many NHL-ers who are as light as Rypien, to say nothing of light NHL-ers who drop the gloves, to say nothing of light NHL-ers who drop the gloves against the likes of Stortini, Prust, Janssens etc., who are only in the league because of their fists.
Rypien is one of the most entertaining, and exciting players to watch in the entire league. Its mostly to do with his fights, but he's an incredible fighter. He doesn't just swing for the fences with no strategy either. He has good defensive technique, and mixes up his attack which make him unpredictable. I'd love to see him put a beating on Tootoo next. Prust did a good job tonight too, could be the toughest fight(s) the Ripper has had so far this year.
Eager beat Rypien easily this year.
Gary Roberts schooled Eager, so no.
Chara, p4p, is the best fighter in the NHL.
Gary Roberts schooled Eager, so no.
Chara, p4p, is the best fighter in the NHL.
Blazini
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Yes.
Eager threw him around the whole time until he lost his balance.
Punch count was 6 to 2 in favor of Eager, Eager won, easily.
Blazini
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What the hell were you watching?
The only landed punch to the face was by Rypien with the quick jab right on the button at the beginning of the fight. Eager kept trying to throw Rypien off balance but not once did Eager connect to anything other than the helmet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK__hj2c5Yo
I don't know how that classifies as easily beating someone.
And if you look closely, six punches landed to Rypiens 2.
The fist prints on Rypiens face after confirms this.
Eager with the easy win.
Are we dealing with Hans Moleman here?
I dont think Eager even hit Rypien in the face at all, one looked like it hit the side of the head, the rest were helmut punches. Rypien mightve got one in at the end. I guess you could call it an Eager win, though it wasnt a good fight at all from either side. Fights that end up being that bad arent really worth noting, though.
I think Rypien wouldve won if Eager didnt go down early in a fight for the hundredth time again.
I dont think Eager even hit Rypien in the face at all, one looked like it hit the side of the head, the rest were helmut punches. Rypien mightve got one in at the end. I guess you could call it an Eager win, though it wasnt a good fight at all from either side. Fights that end up being that bad arent really worth noting, though.
I think Rypien wouldve won if Eager didnt go down early in a fight for the hundredth time again.
Six punches thrown, two maybe three hit and all of them were to Rypien's helmet. I don't see even one hit to his face so I don't know how he could have 'fist prints'
Six punches thrown, two maybe three hit and all of them were to Rypien's helmet. I don't see even one hit to his face so I don't know how he could have 'fist prints'
Six punches landed, with one knocking Rypiens helmet clean off.
The closeup on Rypiens face after confirms his beatdown.
That's an extremely poor review of the fight. Eager hit him one time, on the way down. Rypien got several punches in.
Close fight, edge Rypien. To say otherwise is silly.
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Its easy to see why most people would give the edge to Eager, but not one of Eagers punches connected anywhere other than Rypiens helmet.
Rypien landed 1 punch that I can see, the second one is debatable. Call it a draw, but since Rypien took Eager down, edge Rypien.
Rypien landed 1 punch that I can see, the second one is debatable. Call it a draw, but since Rypien took Eager down, edge Rypien.
If you watch the fight, Eager landed six to Rypiens two. Hopefully "several" means two, or you are way off base.
I'm sorry, mealman, but that's just blatantly and thoroughly wrong. All you have to do is watch the fight.
Anybody can make up a story about what happened and post it over and over again. I could just follow all of your "landed 6 punches" posts with a post saying that "Rypien knocked him out cold."
I'm not going to that though, because making up **** about a fight is stupid, so cut it out.
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