Is Kirby Dach ready to be the #1 centre next season?

[Ray Martyniuk]

The BlackHawks Shit the bed with drafting Dach and the worst they could do was turn him pro at 18! He was far from ready plus he lost last season cause of the injury he sustained so...in a years time after they trade Toews and Kane wants out of the losing situation they will be bottom feeders once more

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

It’s time to send him to Rockford

yep

 

[CallMeShaft]

The BlackHawks Shit the bed with drafting Dach and the worst they could do was turn him pro at 18! He was far from ready plus he lost last season cause of the injury he sustained so...in a years time after they trade Toews and Kane wants out of the losing situation they will be bottom feeders once more

Thank you for your input, but believe it or not, we don't need fans of other teams telling us we're going to be bottom feeders. Might be true, but not sure we needed you to say it.

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Ok.

When I saw with the Saskatoon Blades I saw J Carter or a 4th line RWinger...he's a 4th liner cause the BHawks rushed his development kinds like what they did to Grant Mulvey way back in 1974

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Thank you for your input, but believe it or not, we don't need fans of other teams telling us we're going to be bottom feeders. Might be true, but not sure we needed you to say it.

I was Chicago Black Hawks fan back in 1970-71 when Tony O,Bobby Hull,S Mikita ,D Hull,J Pappin,P Stapleton,B White,D Maloney,P Martin,C Koroll,K Magnuson...played...so I'm still a Chicago fan

 

[Styles]

Thank you for your input, but believe it or not, we don't need fans of other teams telling us we're going to be bottom feeders. Might be true, but not sure we needed you to say it.

Don’t be so fragile.

 

[Kevin Musto]

What he is? He’s showing what he currently is. I don’t understand what you mean,

Can he be more? I believe so. Maybe that was your point.

Draft year Dach, rookie year Dach, playoff Dach. That's who he is.

The player you're seeing now is a guy that has no confidence, a guy that is being left for dead, and a guy that is probably still healing from injuries.

As I've said time and time again, he needs to go to Rockford. The front office needs to stop f***ing him.

When I saw with the Saskatoon Blades I saw J Carter or a 4th line RWinger...he's a 4th liner cause the BHawks rushed his development kinds like what they did to Grant Mulvey way back in 1974

Good for you, you can't evaluate talent.

You're right that he was rushed, but that's entirely fixable with a stint in Rockford.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Draft year Dach, rookie year Dach, playoff Dach. That's who he is.

The player you're seeing now is a guy that has no confidence, a guy that is being left for dead, and a guy that is probably still healing from injuries.

As I've said time and time again, he needs to go to Rockford. The front office needs to stop f***ing him.

Good for you, you can't evaluate talent.

You're right that he was rushed, but that's entirely fixable with a stint in Rockford.

Dach flashed in short stretches. The rest of the time he hasn’t, but has still been decent overall.

I don’t understand why you’re so certain that a trip to Rockford is a cure all that will suddenly launch him to elite status.

The reality is he may just never reach the ceiling you and others set for him. Whether that’s the fault of Bowman or just what his natural progression dictated is unknown.

It’s not Dach’s fault that this franchise is so devoid of talent that it can’t handle one prospect not fully reaching an elite ceiling.

Look at the Kings, they collected multiple Dach-level prospects with seemingly high ceilings, they’re not counting on one single prospect to save them. They can stomach one or two of the prospects falling short of their ceiling without wrecking the future.

None of this is Dach’s fault. He’s going to be who he is and the Hawks just need to deal with it. By that I mean keep finding talent and stop pinning hopes to young players who have not proven to be consistent NHL difference makers.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Dach flashed in short stretches. The rest of the time he hasn’t, but has still been decent overall.

I don’t understand why you’re so certain that a trip to Rockford is a cure all that will suddenly launch him to elite status.

The reality is he may just never reach the ceiling you and others set for him. Whether that’s the fault of Bowman or just what his natural progression dictated is unknown.

It’s not Dach’s fault that this franchise is so devoid of talent that it can’t handle one prospect not fully reaching an elite ceiling.

Look at the Kings, they collected multiple Dach-level prospects with seemingly high ceilings, they’re not counting on one single prospect to save them. They can stomach one or two of the prospects falling short of their ceiling without wrecking the future.

None of this is Dach’s fault. He’s going to be who he is and the Hawks just need to deal with it. By that I mean keep finding talent and stop pinning hopes to young players who have not proven to be consistent NHL difference makers.

Not only that, but there is a lot of pressure on Dach and Reichel because there's nothing else in the system.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Not only that, but there is a lot of pressure on Dach and Reichel because there's nothing else in the system.

That’s not their fault and there shouldn’t be any extra pressure on them because of it. Nobody should be telling either they’re the only hope for this franchise.

There should be other high end prospects in the pipeline.

They just need to focus on being the best version of them, and not rush their development to try and save a floundering franchise.

 

[Pez68]

Zawaski said elite has left the building with Dach but it's too early to call him a bust.

You know what else left the building long ago? Good hockey takes from Zawaski's brain

 

[ClydeLee]

You know what else left the building long ago? Good hockey takes from Zawaski's brain

There's not like he has any hockey acumen better than the avg poster here. It's just the connections that are legit he has or had.

 

[BobbyJet]

There's not like he has any hockey acumen better than the avg poster here. It's just the connections that are legit he has or had.

True, but I reckon most folks agree with his assessment of Dach at this point though very early in the kids career.

 

[Malagahawks]

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Some people are such f***ing stooges, glad Powers highlighted the stoogery.

 

[pvr]

I was Chicago Black Hawks fan back in 1970-71 when Tony O,Bobby Hull,S Mikita ,D Hull,J Pappin,P Stapleton,B White,D Maloney,P Martin,C Koroll,K Magnuson...played...so I'm still a Chicago fan

I beat you by two years. Still remember Maggie coming to our end of year hockey awards ceremony twice. He must have lived nearby, but at 7-8 years old you don’t think of those things.

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

I beat you by two years. Still remember Maggie coming to our end of year hockey awards ceremony twice. He must have lived nearby, but at 7-8 years old you don’t think of those things.

BlackHawks fan since 1970-71 but a Bobby Hull,Dennis Hull,Stan Mikita and Tony Esposito fan before that

 

[pvr]

BlackHawks fan since 1970-71 but a Bobby Hull,Dennis Hull,Stan Mikita and Tony Esposito fan before that

I have multiple autographs of everyone. Little slips of white paper. My mom took me to Northbrook where they practiced a couple of times. They used to stay outside until everybody was gone, signing autographs. I have great memories of meeting Bobby Hull.

 

[GaryU]

BlackHawks fan since 1970-71 but a Bobby Hull,Dennis Hull,Stan Mikita and Tony Esposito fan before that

Espo fan except when he faces Lemaire from Center ice...

 

[ColbyChaos]

Seeing Zegras really makes picking Dach seem even more of a letdown. The skills he casually displays is something we dont even see from Dach anymore, let alone see him convert on those

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Seeing Zegras really makes picking Dach seem even more of a letdown. The skills he casually displays is something we dont even see from Dach anymore, let alone see him convert on those

Was Zegras the option at 3? I thought it was Byram being seen as the “clear” choice.

The Zegras angst almost seems like the Mahomes in hindsight stuff.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Was Zegras the option at 3? I thought it was Byram being seen as the “clear” choice.

The Zegras angst almost seems like the Mahomes in hindsight stuff.

That’s all it is. Revisionist shit.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Was Zegras the option at 3? I thought it was Byram being seen as the “clear” choice.

The Zegras angst almost seems like the Mahomes in hindsight stuff.

Zegras was in the discussion if they went forward but then they "fell in love" with Kirby...obviously most people thought they would and should go Byram

 

[ColbyChaos]

Was Zegras the option at 3? I thought it was Byram being seen as the “clear” choice.

The Zegras angst almost seems like the Mahomes in hindsight stuff.

That’s all it is. Revisionist shit.

No it is literally not. Zegras was one of the final players hawks had interviews with along with Caufield, Byram and Dach. Musto was literally having an aneuryism every damn day anything positive about Zegras was posted in the draft threads

 

[Giovi]

Seeing Zegras really makes picking Dach seem even more of a letdown. The skills he casually displays is something we dont even see from Dach anymore, let alone see him convert on those

I don't remember anyone in the scouting community having Zegras as high as 3. Easy to use hindsight to scout.