Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) L
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Sure, we don't need to worry about our offensive touch, just our defensive touch up the middle.
Stastny plays the hardest minutes defensively up the middle. We'd need to move ROR back to center to replace his minutes and then MacK would need to be a winger again.
Neither MacK nor Duchy are good enough defensively to get the job done up against other team's top lines for an entire season and in the playoffs.
ROR plays the role of center defensively if no one has ever noticed, Duchy plays the forechecking winger.
As for the OP, most of us see McGinn or PAP as the only chip we'd be willing to move for a quality defender... nothing new in that regard.
I agree that Landeskog plays a really good 2-way game, hence his all-round game strength. MacKinnon is actually playing better defensively and considering he's only 18, his learning curve has been rapid. You won't have to worry about his defensive game soon. McGinn is actually a pretty good winger, ability to score, yet plays hard and rugged. I would rather trade Stastny. He can get the most returns considering he's having a pretty decent year right now. We would be able to get a good defenceman for him. Plus it's another center we can free up. PAP is a winger so he can still be of great use.
Honestly, even picks and prospects would be fine with me. We just need to free up some space at center lol.
Avsboy
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ROR would bring us back a much better return than Stastny. Even moreso since he's proved he can be quite effective both at Center and on the Wing.
Seriously doubt we trade either guy and I'm totally ok with that.
dahrougem2
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Why do we need to free up some space at center? This team is built amazingly up front, there's no need to tinker with that ESPECIALLY after the Talbot trade.
There's no need to make a panic move because we lost to a solid Tampa Bay team. Let this season ride out I say with this defense and see how far you can go because this obviously isn't the season the Avs are going to make their push to contend. The only trade that I would make from here on out is if Roy and co. have no faith in Stefan Elliott ever making this team and they trade him just to get some other asset in return. That's all
Hans Landaskog
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We need defense? You don't say!
That said I'm annoyed with PAP, and Mitchell has to go, obviously.
That said I'm annoyed with PAP, and Mitchell has to go, obviously.
Or we could not lol? 3 scoring lines means 3 lines get 18 minutes or so and the fourth line gets around 6.
I'm saying hypothetically you want Mac to move up. That's fine I'm sure he will... when he's ready... which he isn't.
In the future, say 2 years from now, I expect Staz to move to winger. But Duchene and Mac will both get there defensively.
Something like this for the top 6 with future picks, leftovers, and free agency filling in the bottom 6.
Staz - Mac - Lando
ROR - Dutch - Ginner
In like 3 years we won't have any needs at all. Just wants imo. Feels good man.
Yeah I'd give up Staz for potentially nothing too. Haha.. see? I make jokes too.
Edit. Inbe4someonementionshecanwalkattheendoftheseason. I know this. I just dont think that happens.
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hockeyfish
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God I love reading the stupid stuff fans say about other teams players on their board. It's always a good read.
Hopefully we aren't that bad. But I imagine we are sometimes.
Hopefully we aren't that bad. But I imagine we are sometimes.
Gigantor The Goalie
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Have you guys been brainwashed by Leaf's fans?
Must trade Duchene for Franson....
Portzline says it was Jarmo who took in both Avs games, not John Davidson. Perhaps something there. Columbus does have some good young defensemen.
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Foppa2118
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That's usually true, but if they do end up moving Stastny for the usual pick, prospect, roster player deal, the pick and prospect could be used in a separate deal for the defenseman they need, or to replace the pick/prospect they use in that deal.
In reference to the OP, I don't think the examples given necessarily relate to losing Stastny. They may be able to get by without Stastny because they have a lot of high end players already up front, but you're never better when you lose a Stamkos or a Quick, or Crosby/Malkin. Good teams can come together and put some wins together in the short term in their absence, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't suffer in the long term. That's what the Avs are facing with Stastny as a UFA.
I mean the Avs won the last two rounds of the playoffs and the Stanley Cup without the clearcut best player in the world at the time, Peter Forsberg, but they weren't a better team without him. They were just a well built all around team with three world class defenseman, Joe Sakic and some great forwards, and the best goalie of all time. The Avs aren't quite there yet. They would feel Stastny's loss for sure, but more in terms of his stabilizing factor, and his consistent two way play.
A big part of the reason for their success this year is they've finally got two lines going offensively at the same time for long stretches. They haven't had that in the past. It's either been Dutchy or Staz going by themselves while the other struggles. They'll need to replace his two way play up the middle in the offseason for sure, or slot O'Reilly back to center but he's been a huge part of Duchene's success this year on his wing, so there may be negative repercussions there as well.
I think one of PAP, McGinn, or Stastny is gone by the deadline for defensive help. In fact, I'd be pretty surprised if one of them wasn't traded. That's just my opinion though. The only way the defense can be upgraded is through trade.
Foppa2118
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It's really true, and PAP makes the most sense. He's just a bit redundant IMO as a playmaking winger with Tanguay on the team, especially since Tangs can play well on the right side.
McGinn could be moved too, but he seems like such a big part of the team chemsitry, and they would be so soft without him in the lineup. They need another big body as it is. If they trade him, they will just get manhandled in the playoffs, and finding guys like him that can score 20 goals and bang bodies around is not easy. They'd have to find a couple of those guys.
Losing PAP would probably bum out Duchene, and Sakic played a big part in bringing him in as a UFA, but they might just have to move him to be a better team. O'Reilly has played so well on the wing with Duchene, and if Nate stays on the wing himself, they just don't have a strong need for PAP there.
If they plan to keep Nate on the wing, then it makes way more sense to move PAP, and keep Stastny. If they for sure want Nate at center, than it might make more sense to move Staz.
Would anybody (including the CBJ) do ROR for Murray? That kid is the truth.
Bender
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I for one do not.
Blues fans have FINALLY wised up to everything we told them about Chris Stewart. This is not a contract year for him so no surprise, he's not lighting it up. I think they'll end up trading him and what they get in return will surprise a lot of people.
As far as Shattenkirk goes, well, obviously he's putting up a lot of points and he's looking real good with THAT defense but can you imagine if EJ was still on that team right now, how good he'd look??? Conversely, how do you think we'd do with a Hejda-Shattenkirk top pairing?? That's how you have to look at it.
When you consider how good EJ's been defensively, the 20 points he's put up and done all the heavy lifting on D along with Hejda for this team, I'll take him over Shattenkirk.
Avs44
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I would. No way Columbus would ever consider that. Murray is their future #1 defensman.
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