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the more i think about this the more im fine with it. his playoff performances make it worth it. if he is lost for 20 games a year in the regular season, who cares. maybe the team will have to actually learn how to in front of him if that is the case. as long as they get to the playoffs.
 
I positively adore Igor, but how do you extend Cuylle and Kakko (the only bright spots this season) now?

Should've bought low on KK.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Sometimes the markets shift on how positions are paid. I look at football, QBs always were paid handsomely but I feel like it's a pretty new phenomenon where they make 20-25% of the entire cap. On the flip side no one wants to pay RBs anymore or even draft them high. The valuations shift.

I'm not suggesting that it's suddenly going to become a trend where everyone is paying their goalie 10% or more of the cap, but it's definitely possible that in a few years the top goalies are all making 9, 10, 11 percent of the cap with Shesterkin being the guy who really reset the market.
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I agree with some of what you said but the NFL changed to a pass-first league a while ago which increased the value of WRs and QBs at the expense of RBs. That being said, I think the pendulum may have started to swing in the other direction but will likely take time for RBs to get more $.

The point is that something changed in the NFL (rules favoring passing attack) that caused a change in strategy. I'm not sure what this could be in the NHL (New rules under new CBA? Simple reversion to the mean/overreaction?).

Heck, maybe the next few Cup winners all have high $ goalies winning the Conn Smythe and that alone causes GMs to rethink their strategy.
 
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gump116 said:
That says more about those other goalies and their agents than it does about Igor. He’s either the best or second best goalie in the league.

This contract in line historically with top goalies from a cap percentage perspective. It’s fair now and if the cap rises as expected 5% per year, and he can maintain his performance, he’ll be underpaid in a couple years.
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The problem with saying it's in line with the historic contracts is those contracts were bad.

Price - bad contract
Bob - bad contract
Vasilevskiy - seems fine so far

So why would we want to sign a contract that's in line with previous deals when 2/3 of them were not good?
 
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Rangeri said:
Panthers are only example of winning with high paid goalie. Odds don't favor it.

But yeah, they made a decision and we have to go with that. Moaning about Igor is useless now. He has to be catalyst to winning now. Lets see.
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And truthfully the year before they won Bob started the playoffs as the number 3. I’m pretty sure. And was Butal when he filled on for Lyon at first, stabilized and was real bad in the finals.

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OK, now do playoffs
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Are they much better?
 
Jettany said:
And truthfully the year before they won Bob started the playoffs as the number 3. I’m pretty sure. And was Butal when he filled on for Lyon at first, stabilized and was real bad in the finals.


Are they much better?
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Yes. He’s better in the playoffs than reg season
 
TominNC said:
OK, now do playoffs
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The column to the right of the "NHL" one is Igor's age during each season, then games played/etc. W/L/goals against next to SV%.

So not a huge gulf between his average RS and PO numbers. .920 SV% in the RS, .928 in POs. 2.47 GAA in the RS, 2.41 in POs.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Let’s looks at this objectively.

I’ve had this argument many times so I’m comfortable with the data. The Lightning won their first Cup on Vasi’s previous contract, and the second one was the year they cheated the cap with Kuch on LTIR. They have also been slowly dismantling their team and not really contending since then. Let’s ignore that though.

Bob: $10M against a $83.5M cap ($11.9%)
Vasy: $9.5M against a $81.5M cap (11.6%)
Holtby: $6.1M against a $75M cap (8.1%)
MAF: $5.75M against a $71.4M cap (8%)
MAF: $5M against a $56.7M cap (8.8%)

Igor: $11.5M against a $92.5M (current projection for next year) cap (12.4%)

Is the number way, way higher than Bob and Vasi? It’s not. I completely discount Vasi though because his contract, in my opinon, is evidence for the “don’t pay goalies” side. They circumvented the Cap to win one more time and have been tearing it down ever since. Florida figured it out, but they seriously threaded a needle and to plan around being able to replicate that is insanity.

The other contracts are in no way comparable. The cap is going to have to go up to $130M (~50% higher than it is right now) for the Igor contract to be in the 8-9% range.

We just locked ourselves into mediocrity for the next decade. Maybe we’ll get luck
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First of all, I was replying to Rangei's statement that "Panther's are only example of winning with a high paid goalie". He didn't discuss cap percentage or highest paid.Also there are others on here that say you are better off with an average goalie but that's a crap shoot. I was mistaken on Vasi's 1st cup but your Vasi argument is ridiculous re: his second cup. Let me be clear , I wouldn't have paid Shesty the $11.5M . What I am arguing against is this idea of not paying up for good goaltending . Sure a few teams have won without paying up but they are the anomily and they got lucky. Very rarely do you win a Stanley Cup without elite goaltending. One thing that hasn't been brought up is goaltening has been more unpredictable in recent years but If I could sign a Roy, Brodeur or Hasek even at the max I would ! It's all about the Math !!!!!!! You pay so much per postion per 60 minutes on the ice. To get an elite player possible in any of the other 5 posititons for all 60 minutes it's going to cost you a helluva lot more than $11.5 M. (or 12.5 if you want to include backup but that's just to get you through the regular season....in the playoffs you going with just your elite goaltender.)
 
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Machinehead said:
They only moved Trouba to sign this contract.

They'll change nothing else and then wonder what happened.

You know it to be true.
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What I believe to be true, is they're attempting to repeat history. The org. believed they could and should have won at least ONE Cup with an overpaid Lundqvist, and now doing it again. Difference is, Shesty can score. He's gonna have to. Drury believes that locking down Shesty will get the Rangers into the PO's every season of his contract. They just might, but when push comes to shove, Panarin, Trocheck, Kreider & Zibanejad are going to have to be better, yet it will all come down to the progression in the likes of Laffy, Chytil, Kaapo, Cuylle, Schneider, Edstrom, Berard? Mancini? and a very unpredictable k'Andre. They are the new core. If they don't progress, we will be the Bruins in a few years. Let's see what happens.
 
I'm no Shesterkin fanboy but I'm sort of surprised to see people arguing that he's basically an average goalie. When you look at things like Goals Saved Above Average and Wins Above Replacement, hasn't he basically been a top five or so goalie every year? With the cast of guys above him fluctuating somewhat but generally being that group of guys like Hellebuyck, Saros, Boston's guys, Bobrovsky. My point being I understand why you'd be upset making him by far the highest paid goalie when he isn't statistically by far the best goalie, but he's still objectively one of the top handful of players at his position.

I'm also using those stats I mentioned despite not particularly liking "advanced stats" because I know how absolutely terrible our team defense has been in front of him. I don't think GAA or SV% are great measures for goalies.
 
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Trouba was dealt partly because Shesterkin needs signing like right now!Krieder will find a new Home and Zibanejad probably will follow...Othmann needs to be brought from AHL Hartford...not sure what to get at Centre,but Othmann is a LWinger
 
SnowblindNYR said:
But but he gave up because the team gave up on him. Poor poor Igor, it's all the defense.
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Not sure if I am the only one that sees it, but I think I'm seeing the Rangers play a better brand of hockey in front of Quickie. A little more effort, a little better defense. Maybe as a team, they just rely on Shesty too much and dare him to earn his "best player" salary? I dunno, something doesn't add up, except in his bank account.
 
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NYRangers signed Shesterkin? Wow I thought it was only going 2 get done at sesasons end but probably is the best thing for GMDrury to do and not have hanging over everyone's head and Mind
 
RayMartyniukTotems said:
Trouba was dealt partly because Shesterkin needs signing like right now!Krieder will find a new Home and Zibanejad probably will follow...Othmann needs to be brought from AHL Hartford...not sure what to get at Centre,but Othmann is a LWinger
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This organization will NOT trade Kreider. They LOVE they're once in a decade & a half homegrown (eventual leader in many offensive categories, when all is said and done). He has done too much for the Rangers, and deserves to win a Cup here. If it doesn't happen, than oh well. A great player has been shutout before. Not saying he is GREAT, just saying that he's not getting traded.
Zibby OTOH, might be a different story though. He's still a reliable 2 way player, but he's lost something. Maybe he should cut his hair, like Panarin did. He needs a re-set. Team WAS going through the motions, now that some of the housekeeping has been done, should be enough to "wake up" this good team that has been middling to horrific at best lately. No need for any rash moves now, let the ship right itself. TDL will come soon enough.
 
Larrybiv said:
Not sure if I am the only one that sees it, but I think I'm seeing the Rangers play a better brand of hockey in front of Quickie. A little more effort, a little better defense. Maybe as a team, they just rely on Shesty too much and dare him to earn his "best player" salary? I dunno, something doesn't add up, except in his bank account.
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Hot take here:

Maybe it seems they're playing better in front of him is because Quick has played no higher than the 14th placed NHL team right now, and we lost that game. He's played the bottom 10 in the league 4 times already, with 3 of those teams actually in the bottom 5. Something tells me statistically that, at least on paper, we should look like we play better against literal bottom feeders.
 
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SeanAveryTheGreatOne said:
I positively adore Igor, but how do you extend Cuylle and Kakko (the only bright spots this season) now?

Should've bought low on KK.
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Not bashing KK but I think some people may be getting a little carried away at this point in time. He is on pace for around 13 goals and 42 points this season. If we approached his agent today its not like we missed out on signing a 40 goal guy.
 
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This and the Trouba trade are totally unrelated. I could quote insiders, but what's the point? Guys (machinehead) are going to create their own fiction.

They've been working on this since the summer and they're going to trade for a skater before the trade deadline.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I'm no Shesterkin fanboy but I'm sort of surprised to see people arguing that he's basically an average goalie. When you look at things like Goals Saved Above Average and Wins Above Replacement, hasn't he basically been a top five or so goalie every year? With the cast of guys above him fluctuating somewhat but generally being that group of guys like Hellebuyck, Saros, Boston's guys, Bobrovsky. My point being I understand why you'd be upset making him by far the highest paid goalie when he isn't statistically by far the best goalie, but he's still objectively one of the top handful of players at his position.

I'm also using those stats I mentioned despite not particularly liking "advanced stats" because I know how absolutely terrible our team defense has been in front of him. I don't think GAA or SV% are great measures for goalies.
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If you look it at from an economic standpoint, Igor isnt getting paid 11.5 because he's the best goalie, he's getting paid 11.5 because he is the best goalie in need of an extend right now, at a time when the finances of the league are looking as good as ever. Helleybuck signed for less but he has never performed in the playoffs. Is that worth the extra 3 mil on the cap a year? Probably imo.
 
zlev said:
the more i think about this the more im fine with it. his playoff performances make it worth it. if he is lost for 20 games a year in the regular season, who cares. maybe the team will have to actually learn how to in front of him if that is the case. as long as they get to the playoffs.
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I’m not going to count on him being a historic playoff goaltender every time we are in the playoffs. Paying for playoff performance is a fools errand. Igor is a great goalie, but he’s been top-10 in most of the important goaltending categories, not even top-5, outside of 21-22.

Rangers are stuck with him now and better hope he’s a top-10 goalie for the majority of his contract.
 
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