Panthers are only example of winning with high paid goalie. Odds don't favor it.
But yeah, they made a decision and we have to go with that. Moaning about Igor is useless now. He has to be catalyst to winning now. Lets see.
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But yeah, they made a decision and we have to go with that. Moaning about Igor is useless now. He has to be catalyst to winning now. Lets see.
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On how Igor is going to age how can anyone really know? A thing with goalies is a lot of them do age better than forwards/defensemen. Henrik is an example of that. Richter might have been except the Rangers team went to shit and he started getting concussions. But it's not all that strange for goalies to go into their late 30's. Henrik lasted a long time. Brodeur, Roy, Hasek ditto. Look at Quick. Fleury. I'd bet Vasilevskiy goes long and Bobrovsky's like 35 already I think.
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Nonsense. Andrei Vasilevsky $9.5 Million 2 cups . Brayden Holtby $ 6.1contract that started in 2015 and was considered high at the time. Marc Andre Fleury 3 cups one that paid him $5million 15 years ago !!!, Jonathon Quick had high contract for 1 cup, so did Corey Crawford. I could go on and on . Hasek, Roy, Brodeur. On and on and on.
haveandare
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He is objectively the best. Single players don’t win championships in this league.
Let’s trade Laff, Fox and a 1st for Pat Maroon. Best playoff performer ever.
That says more about those other goalies and their agents than it does about Igor. He’s either the best or second best goalie in the league.
This contract in line historically with top goalies from a cap percentage perspective. It’s fair now and if the cap rises as expected 5% per year, and he can maintain his performance, he’ll be underpaid in a couple years.
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Let’s looks at this objectively.
I’ve had this argument many times so I’m comfortable with the data. The Lightning won their first Cup on Vasi’s previous contract, and the second one was the year they cheated the cap with Kuch on LTIR. They have also been slowly dismantling their team and not really contending since then. Let’s ignore that though.
Bob: $10M against a $83.5M cap ($11.9%)
Vasy: $9.5M against a $81.5M cap (11.6%)
Holtby: $6.1M against a $75M cap (8.1%)
MAF: $5.75M against a $71.4M cap (8%)
MAF: $5M against a $56.7M cap (8.8%)
Igor: $11.5M against a $92.5M (current projection for next year) cap (12.4%)
Is the number way, way higher than Bob and Vasi? It’s not. I completely discount Vasi though because his contract, in my opinon, is evidence for the “don’t pay goalies” side. They circumvented the Cap to win one more time and have been tearing it down ever since. Florida figured it out, but they seriously threaded a needle and to plan around being able to replicate that is insanity.
The other contracts are in no way comparable. The cap is going to have to go up to $130M (~50% higher than it is right now) for the Igor contract to be in the 8-9% range.
We just locked ourselves into mediocrity for the next decade. Maybe we’ll get lucky.
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Why are we going to be mediocre now, when we've never been mediocre with Igor before?
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Looks like we have different definitions of mediocre. I think that’s exactly what we’ve been. I can see the argument that we’ve been more than that but I see us as a playoff team that has always been an underdog at best to win the Cup. That’s mediocre to me.
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I think our mediocrity has had everything to do with our team defense and very little to do with the goalie. D needs to be improved mightily but Drury just did invasive in-season surgery to clear our biggest on-ice, locker room and cap issue, with 0 strings attached. I think there's a plan in motion.
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I feel like I've been hearing that for 20 years now. Newsflash: We're the New York Rangers. Every year we will be at the max cap
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Listen I hate this extension and all but I do think it gets lost how f***ing good Igor has been in the playoffs.
He has a 0.68 Goals Saved Above Average/60 from 22-24 in the playoffs. To give you an idea of how insane that is, Hank had a 0.34 from 12-14 in the playoffs. by that stat alone, Igor was twice as good as Hank in the playoffs at his peak.
for another more contemporary comparison, Vasilevskiy, probably considered the most clutch goalie of this generation, from 20-22 had a 0.36 GSAA.
He has a 0.68 Goals Saved Above Average/60 from 22-24 in the playoffs. To give you an idea of how insane that is, Hank had a 0.34 from 12-14 in the playoffs. by that stat alone, Igor was twice as good as Hank in the playoffs at his peak.
for another more contemporary comparison, Vasilevskiy, probably considered the most clutch goalie of this generation, from 20-22 had a 0.36 GSAA.
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We'll get our 2nd day of meltdowns when the NMC details come out
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I've already managed my expectations. If he turned $11M down and said he wanted between $12M and $13M, he's probably got a full NMC for at least 5 of those years.
I kind of assume it's going to be a full NMC for the duration. Maybe you get a limited NTC in the last year or something but otherwise he's here for the duration, unless he chooses to leave.
The NMC should be expected at this point. I said the other day I looked at the top 26 guys by AAV and 22 were under NMCs. 2 others NMCs kicking in next season for the rest of their contract. Fox was another one and he has an NMC for a couple years beginning next season. The other was Drew Doughty who signed 6 years ago which was right before the NMC thing became a given. And you can look down the list further, it's all basically the same. The top guys get NMCs, it's an absolute given.
The NMC should be expected at this point. I said the other day I looked at the top 26 guys by AAV and 22 were under NMCs. 2 others NMCs kicking in next season for the rest of their contract. Fox was another one and he has an NMC for a couple years beginning next season. The other was Drew Doughty who signed 6 years ago which was right before the NMC thing became a given. And you can look down the list further, it's all basically the same. The top guys get NMCs, it's an absolute given.
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Yea and it’s not like Drury did him any favors leaking his contract demands. That must have pissed him off. Now he can focus on hockey.
Igor has that dog in him like Hank. I still don’t think any goalie should be making this much, but if anyone deserves it, it’s him.
In fact, the balls to demand this much money as a goalie shows he believes in himself and can take the pressure of a large contract.
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It had to be done because after Igor there's Quick who can "get old" any minute, and Garand who is untested and may be either Talbot 2.0 or LaBarberra 2.0.
At best Garand proves he can play 30-35 games as soon as next year and the Rangers have a cheap and young backup 1/B until like 2030 making the mean cost of goaltending around 10% of the cap.
At best Garand proves he can play 30-35 games as soon as next year and the Rangers have a cheap and young backup 1/B until like 2030 making the mean cost of goaltending around 10% of the cap.
Sometimes the markets shift on how positions are paid. I look at football, QBs always were paid handsomely but I feel like it's a pretty new phenomenon where they make 20-25% of the entire cap. On the flip side no one wants to pay RBs anymore or even draft them high. The valuations shift.
I'm not suggesting that it's suddenly going to become a trend where everyone is paying their goalie 10% or more of the cap, but it's definitely possible that in a few years the top goalies are all making 9, 10, 11 percent of the cap with Shesterkin being the guy who really reset the market.
I'm not suggesting that it's suddenly going to become a trend where everyone is paying their goalie 10% or more of the cap, but it's definitely possible that in a few years the top goalies are all making 9, 10, 11 percent of the cap with Shesterkin being the guy who really reset the market.
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I know these are regular season stats, but nothing about this justifies 11.5. Not even close.
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I think a full NMC is fair for the first 4 years, then a 15 or 20 team NTC the next two years, then a 10 team NTC the last two.
The Rangers bid against themselves here. They set a new market standard. They're really banking on the salary cap being $110 million by the end of the contract. Important more than ever to draft well, especially on defense.
I mean they bid against themselves because they kind of had no choice, no? No one else can bid on him at this point. Every single thing I had seen leading up to this deal, in the press, was that on the open market half of the league would be interested and the number for him would absolutely be 11 or 12 or possibly even higher. I think at this point teams are pretty good at assessing the value of impending UFAs and the agents also know where the value is.
So, if we didn't give him 11.5, someone else almost assuredly would. And there'd probably be multiple teams willing to do so, meaning that NMC would certainly be in the mix.
None of this is to say we should have given him this deal. I just firmly believe that had he reached the open market, this is close to the deal he would have got and if it ended up a different number it would have been more and not less.
And he needed to go on a heater each March to even get those mediocre stats. It's insane that people think he's worth this contract. In no universe that's the case.
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