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If the NHL does NOT participate in 2022, which format do you prefer?

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If the NHL doesn't go, people will survive and move on. I honestly hope they don't go. it was actually nice watching the Games and my favourite club team.

again, I find it hilarious, how out of everyone - people just blames the NHL/Bettman. and not put equal ownness on the IOC and NHLPA.
 
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I think its funny how everyone blames Bettman as if he is the ONLY one that prevented the NHL from being in the Olympics. Like the IOC had nothing to do with it. :laugh:
 
Faterson said:
Same for me. I despise nationalism. I suppose it comes down to education – the culture in which you grow up. If you grow up in a culture that suggests there's nothing more valuable in life than money, then, of course, the NHL will be more important to you than the Olympics. But if you grow up in a culture (as I did) suggesting there's no greater honor than representing your country on the international stage (and I assure you that has nothing to do with nationalism – after all, internationalism was part of the official Communist ideology), then you will naturally value Olympics, and the World Championships, over any competition of city clubs.
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Buddy, you can say you "despise" nationalism, but everything you post except for that absolutely screams "I'm a hyper nationalist."

Even aside from that you have a problem with world views that don't run exactly parallel to your own. I love my city. I've watched my local teams play thousands of games. As a fan I don't care about the American National Team. Why should I? Because they're American? That's definitely no better a reason than "because they play for my local team." The only real difference is that people don't tend to go to war with each other out of love for their local sports team, but they sure do very often over often-irrational love of country.

You claim not to be a nationalist, yet you constantly slag off North Americans for the sin of being different from Europeans. Maybe you're not a nationalist. Just a Eurocentrist.
 
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Lancer said:
I think its funny how everyone blames Bettman as if he is the ONLY one that prevented the NHL from being in the Olympics. Like the IOC had nothing to do with it. :laugh:
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There's no place for the NHL in the Olympics, not now and not in the future. The question is only that of whether they will let their players participate or not, but they're not an equal partner.
 
Honestly, I'm disappointed that the NHL did not send its best players to Pyeongchang, but I think its silly to blame Bettman. THE IOC is just as much at fault. On the other hand, the NHL didn't have to deal with a compressed schedule so that's a benefit for them at least for this season.
 
I mean the hockey world wouldn't exactly fall apart for us Europeans if NHL weren't around (I've been my homebound club HV 71 around since 1979!).

You're (NHL) just an extra bonus.

A stairway to the stars for the best o' the European lot - and good riddance to 'em!

But we follow our team (and country!) anyway and anyhow.
 
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Daisy Jane said:
If the NHL doesn't go, people will survive and move on. I honestly hope they don't go. it was actually nice watching the Games and my favourite club team.

again, I find it hilarious, how out of everyone - people just blames the NHL/Bettman. and not put equal ownness on the IOC and NHLPA.
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Because there is NOTHING we can do to IOC. We can do something to the NHL by not buying their product. If it makes you feel better: yeah, IOC too sucks donkeys.
 
varsaku said:
Pretty much everyone calling for amateurs at the Olympics are just disappointed that USA or Canada are not dominating the tournament. People complaining about the quality of this tournament, are expecting to improve it by decreasing the quality of players. I am pretty sure that’s not how it works.
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Call it whatever you want, but it’s only an even playing field if all professional leagues go or none of them do.

Would March madness improve if you threw an nba team in there? I don’t think so.
 
Sentinel said:
Because there is NOTHING we can do to IOC. We can do something to the NHL by not buying their product. If it makes you feel better: yeah, IOC too sucks donkeys.
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IOC decides they won't pay for the NHL players to go there.
NHL goes 'hey can we have the right to show video of OUR players at YOUR event?"
IOC says no.

Players whine and go "but we wanna go."
Do the players come up with a compromise to work the NHL. no. did they go "hey we'll pay for our own families to go" no.. the NHL comes up with a compromise, and the players go no.

yet it's the NHL's fault for not bending over and allowing their players to go to something that they literally don't have to.
 
Other - don’t even have the tournament.
 
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Well, if the NHL doesn't take part in Beijing's Winter Games in 2022, I don't see Canada winning that tournament either(even if Canada beats Germany, they'll just lose the Gold to OAR because Canada won't bother playing the body, which is the only way Canada can win international hockey games, by the way), because, frankly, Canada doesn't have the ability to win Gold without the pros. The amateur hockey system is non-existent in Canada.

We in Canada better get used to losing a LOT of Mens Olympic hockey Golds for a LONG time, because the system we have here isn't synced to the rest of the world, which it must be for Canada to win Gold without the pros.

Sorry to be a pessimist here, but that's our hockey reality. And it's cursed to crap with too many decisions that won't work anyway.

=P
 
gwh said:
The sum is agreed between IIHF and the NHL. Current level is measly 240k. NHL, IIHF agreement: No transfer fees - Sportsnet.ca

Optimal situation would be 3-5million, with 20 game tryout. This kills the AHL dumpster league for mediocre skill prospects, everyone wins.
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3,5 milions in dollars?.Then KHL should immediately jump into CHL and Europe should start doing something with hockey because this would make NA even stronger. There is huge amount of players in NHL/AHL who would probably never made it and they just getting better only by being there. In fact even NHL teams have tons of work with development. I dont remember more euro friendly NHL than now. Basically whoever wait and perform in AHL gets his chance soon or later.
 
gwh said:
The sum is agreed between IIHF and the NHL. Current level is measly 240k. NHL, IIHF agreement: No transfer fees - Sportsnet.ca

Optimal situation would be 3-5million, with 20 game tryout. This kills the AHL dumpster league for mediocre skill prospects, everyone wins.
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haha, good luck with that. At that number, you would have 1 Euro come over every 2-4 years, the rest would have to wait until their contract is over and then their Euro club would not get a dime. There would be LESS money flowing from the NHL to the European clubs.
 
RaginRonic said:
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Well, if the NHL doesn't take part in Beijing's Winter Games in 2022, I don't see Canada winning that tournament either(even if Canada beats Germany, they'll just lose the Gold to OAR because Canada won't bother playing the body, which is the only way Canada can win international hockey games, by the way), because, frankly, Canada doesn't have the ability to win Gold without the pros. The amateur hockey system is non-existent in Canada.

We in Canada better get used to losing a LOT of Mens Olympic hockey Golds for a LONG time, because the system we have here isn't synced to the rest of the world, which it must be for Canada to win Gold without the pros.

Sorry to be a pessimist here, but that's our hockey reality. And it's cursed to crap with too many decisions that won't work anyway.

=P
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Most in Canada will not care as it would not be best-on-best.
 
Faterson said:
That's easy: let's move beach volleyball to the winter olympics as a compensatory measure, and that resolves everything. Let's bend backwards to a league and business enterprise that has been sabotaging international hockey, right?
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You talk as if the IOC isn't a business and that the Olympics aren't their flagship product.

If you are or were an owner of a business, would you grant a rival two weeks of free labor from your employees every four years? I would think not. I believe that if you thought that there was any reason to do so, that you would at least see to it that your enterprise benefited from the arrangement in a tangible manner that doesn't rely on some wild assertions that the general growth of your industry is enough.
 
The difference is that whatever their organizational level of corruption, IOC profits go to developing sports worldwide.
 
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I love the Olympics and all and I am kind of enjoying the hockey but could you imagine the other Olympic sports without the top 20-30 athletes competing? Every single team in this tournament besides maybe South Korea could ice better teams. I love hockey and will probably watch the finals even with Canada likely out, but I would love it more if it were best vs best. I really hope NHL players play in Beijing
 
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Albatros said:
The difference is that whatever their organizational level of corruption, IOC profits go to developing sports worldwide.
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So as long as the result is virtuous the means are irrelevant?

Why not speak also of the NHL owners who have tirelessly worked to grow youth hockey and have commited millions toward that end?
 
Albatros said:
Yes, there will not be any sharing of profits with NHL owners. If it means that there won't be any NHL players then so be it.
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That's all I needed to see to know that this is not a discussion worth pursuing.

The IOC is a virtuous organization in spite of the corruption that sees politicians bribed and tax dollars siphoned from local governments into infrastructure that has rarely if ever benefited these communities in the long term. They are virtuous because they take some of that money and siphon it back into sports to engender enough good will to do it freely in the future. :sarcasm:
 
Juicy Pop said:
So as long as the result is virtuous the means are irrelevant?

Why not speak also of the NHL owners who have tirelessly worked to grow youth hockey and have commited millions toward that end?
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If they really work to grow youth hockey, they would pay APPROPRIATE money for prospects developped by clubs outside North America. You know, more money to youth hockey worldwide, better for the game.
 
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vorky said:
If they really work to grow youth hockey, they would pay APPROPRIATE prospects to clubs outside North America. You know, more money to youth hockey worldwide, better for the game.
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'If they really wanted to grow youth hockey, they would fund NASA and various 3rd party groups so that we can introduce the game to space aliens.'

It's like saying that you don't care about blood and organ donation if you don't walk down to the hospital and ask them to harvest you on the spot. :rolleyes:
 
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