I'd give Keefe till the 20 game mark

[ACC1224]

So the room could be lost, or not... and we would have no way of knowing. Shrodinger's Dressing Room.

Exactly.
Babcock didn’t lose the room either, until he did.

FWIW, I don’t believe he’s lost the room. I don’t think he’s ever had the room.

 

[notDatsyuk]

There's nothing wrong with anything he said there. It's a pretty normal, mundane statement.

Some posters obviously have a different opinion, which is fine.

 

[sxvnert]

Makes no different how many games you give Keefe, the roster is flawed.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Some posters obviously have a different opinion, which is fine.

Yes, some posters have claimed there is something wrong with this normal statement, with absolutely no justification or reasoning. This person way more informed on the matter than anybody here must be lying because it doesn't fit my preconceived ideas!

 

[ACC1224]

Some posters obviously have a different opinion, which is fine.

NO....thinking for yourself is forbidden

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes, some posters have claimed there is something wrong with this normal statement, with absolutely no justification or reasoning. This person way more informed on the matter than anybody here must be lying because it doesn't fit my preconceived ideas!

I, and some others, think the comment was odd.

You, and some others, think it wasn't.

Neither opinion has to be 'right'. That's why they are 'opinions'. People are allowed to have differing ones.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I, and some others, think the comment was odd.

A GM said that his coach has valid reasoning behind his decisions and that the team is still responsive to them? How scandalous!
We sure do like to pick apart, exaggerate, and hate on nothing statements around here.

 

[Hellcat]

A GM said that his coach has valid reasoning behind his decisions and that the team is still responsive to them? How scandalous!
We sure do like to pick apart, exaggerate, and hate on nothing statements around here.

You don't think that GM waxing poetically about his coach when a team stacked with stars is playing like dog shit is a nothing statement? Ummm OK?

NO....thinking for yourself is forbidden

Did you think of that reply by yourself?

 

[Dekes For Days]

You don't think that GM waxing poetically about his coach when a team stacked with stars is playing like dog shit is a nothing statement?

I don't see anything wrong with a GM making normal statements in support of the coach when a slightly rockier start for the team (which still has them 2nd in the division, despite a bunch of impactful injuries) has fans and media making up preposterous, baseless claims about the coach and things they know nothing about.

 

[geo25]

The team has had great defense for years. And while it's very early, Samsonov has been great for us so far this year.
Putting aside that our big 4 have performed in the playoffs, why is that relevant anyway? We are 65 games away from the playoffs even starting. It has nothing to do with right now.
You say you don't want the room to be lost, but you simultaneously say that you want everybody purged. Kind of contradictory.

Yeah, as outside observers, none of us have any clue what's going on in the dressing room, so we shouldn't be declaring that we do and calling somebody who actually does know a liar because the truth doesn't match our preconceived feelings.

There's nothing wrong with anything he said there. It's a pretty normal, mundane statement.

Not accurately, that's for sure. You're reading far, far, far too much into things and making pure assumptions if you're deducing locker room issues from anything you've seen.

By the same logic, Tampa is having locker room issues, and they should fire their multi-cup-winning coach.

I did preface by admitting conjecture, guess, supposition. Something definitely IS WRONG....locker room/chemistry is very important. I'd like to be a fly on their wall to be sure

 

[notDatsyuk]

A GM said that his coach has valid reasoning behind his decisions and that the team is still responsive to them? How scandalous!
We sure do like to pick apart, exaggerate, and hate on nothing statements around here.

I said some people think the comment was odd, and this is your response (as usual with you, only quoting part of my post)?

We sure do like to pick apart, exaggerate, and hate on nothing statements around here.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I said some people think the comment was odd, and this is your response?

If only the response to the normal statement he made was just that it was "odd". Unfortunately, some have decided to claim things far beyond that, based on absolutely nothing.

 

[ACC1224]

Obviously Dubas would announce if there were issues with the coach or problems in the room.

 

[egd27]

We don't have a plan B play style wise

We switch lines but only change how we play occasionally (ex: game one Tampa)

He also seems to have very little control. I still think game 4 last year they were out partying or something ( Vegas as well)


They were f***ing trash

You have correctly identified THE problem with Keefe and why he is not an NHL caliber coach.

 

[Srsly]

We actually have a better record than the Avalanche and Bolts so far. I too am disappointed but there’s a part of me that thinks we’re overreacting to a slump/slow start.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We actually have a better record than the Avalanche and Bolts so far. I too am disappointed but there’s a part of me that thinks we’re overreacting to a slump/slow start.

It's actually pretty funny. Among playoff teams from last year, we actually have a better record than St Louis, Nashville, Washington, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Calgary, New York Rangers, Edmonton, Florida, Tampa, and Los Angeles, and yet this board full of people who said the playoffs are the only thing that matters is in full-on meltdown mode in the middle of a 4-1-1 November.

 

[ACC1224]

We actually have a better record than the Avalanche and Bolts so far. I too am disappointed but there’s a part of me that thinks we’re overreacting to a slump/slow start.

I think most are judging the team on how they are playing more so than the results.

 

[andora]

I think most are judging the team on how they are playing more so than the results.

as much as once side gets cast in the doom gloom bridge jumping category, the other side fails to consistently see this exact point as they typecast the group.

kind of like wanting some rougher players only means Orr and Mclaren

watching this team is so uninspiring some nights but dashes of skill and some goal posts lets you win regular season games.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think most are judging the team on how they are playing more so than the results.

Funny how suddenly it's not just the outcomes that matter.

Unfortunately, most aren't judging the team based on their overall level of play either. They're attempting to define them by their worst moments.

There have been moments through this early season where we don't display our usual crispness, chemistry, and finishing ability - slumps that all teams experience at times - but we've still largely outplayed our opponents, things have improved as the games have gone on, and we've got another 65 games to get everything worked out.

 

[ACC1224]

as much as once side gets cast in the doom gloom bridge jumping category, the other side fails to consistently see this exact point as they typecast the group.

kind of like wanting some rougher players only means Orr and Mclaren

watching this team is so uninspiring some nights but dashes of skill and some goal posts lets you win regular season games.

Yeah you'll always get the overly dramatic going to extremes. All good, just part of the entertainment.

 

[Hellcat]

I don't see anything wrong with a GM making normal statements in support of the coach when a slightly rockier start for the team (which still has them 2nd in the division, despite a bunch of impactful injuries) has fans and media making up preposterous, baseless claims about the coach and things they know nothing about.

You don't see anything wrong with dishonesty? OK cool.

Second place in their division is true but misleading, in a division of under achievers and lottery teams is not a reflection of how well the team is playing or how well the team is being coached but a reflection of how poor their division is playing right now.... the Lefs have the same number of ROW as the 6th placed team in their division with the Leafs playing one more game. Only 2 points ahead of 6th place with one more gamed played is not a stat you want to be pulling out if you are trying to make a point.

Yes factually true that we have had a lot of injuries but misleading to say that has been a factor in this teams under performance. Besides Muzzin name one significant injury that has quantifiably negatively impacted the team.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You don't see anything with dishonesty?

There's nothing dishonest about anything that was said. He's not even really saying anything about the state of the team. He's just making a couple comments about the coaching specifically, and as much as people here like to pretend and act like they know the internal dynamics of the room, they don't.

Second place in their division is true but misleading, in a division of under achievers and lottery teams is not a reflection of how well the team is playing or how well the team is being coached but a reflection of how poor their division is playing right now....

You are correct that there is not much separation between teams, and some good teams are underperforming in this small sample, but that's kind of the point. It's still early and our situation isn't unique or an indication of whatever fairy tale people are spouting this time. We're not exactly where we want to be yet, but we're still in a good spot, we're improving and finding our groove and chemistry, and we're a long way away from the ultimate test.

Yes factually true that we have had a lot of injuries but misleading to say that has been a factor in this teams under performance. Besides Muzzin name one significant injury that has quantifiably negatively impacted the team.

We've played half our games with our #4 goaltender and you think injuries haven't had an impact?? Both the Samsonov and Murray injuries are significant. So is Muzzin and Liljegren and now Brodie on defense.

 

[keonsbitterness]

For me he didn't say anything of real substance other than injury updates.

Typical GM-speak.

 

[Hellcat]

There's nothing dishonest about anything that was said. He's not even really saying anything about the state of the team. He's just making a couple comments about the coaching specifically, and as much as people here like to pretend and act like they know the internal dynamics of the room, they don't.

You are correct that there is not much separation between teams, and some good teams are underperforming in this small sample, but that's kind of the point. It's still early and our situation isn't unique or an indication of whatever fairy tale people are spouting this time. We're not exactly where we want to be yet, but we're still in a good spot, we're improving and finding our groove and chemistry, and we're a long way away from the ultimate test.

We've played half our games with our #4 goaltender and you think injuries haven't had an impact?? Both the Samsonov and Murray injuries are significant. So is Muzzin and Liljegren and now Brodie on defense.

You think a Stanley Cup contender with this star power should be 2 points ahead of Montreal?

Leafs are the 23rd ranked team in GF/GP, how do any of the players that were injured impact that stat? BTW the stat that the players you mentioned would impact more would be GA/GP, Leafs are 9th best.

A bunch of beat up injury prone declining players or bottom pairing dmen are for you significant but a healthy Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Rilley is not significant?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I think most are judging the team on how they are playing more so than the results.

True, and it's funny how some people will vacillate between them, depending on which supports their particular bias, without being able to see the problems for the stats.