I'd give Keefe till the 20 game mark

[Zybalto]

But he wasn’t healthy. He was never going to be available to be in the equation.

If you can use him in your fantasy league, great.

I think he's slated to come back in a week and a half. Hope he bounces back from the injury quick. Thought he looked great his last stint up here.

(3-1 .911 last season with the Leafs)

 

[TheDoldrums]

And you can't see why people are frustrated?

We wouldn't have played Tampa last year if we showed up against ass teams

It's the same old shit

they only way to not play Tampa last year was to win the Presidents trophy,. It was a pretty high bar.

 

[kevsh]

Or WE ARE 2nd IN THE ATLANTIC

7 regulation wins in 16 games. Arizona, currently sitting in 25th, has 6 in 14.

So probably best we cool it on both the Fire Keefe chants as well as Everything Is OK in Leafland ones - and I am just as guilty of that, making a post like the one I did after a really bad first period.

 

[Menzinger]

It always comes back to a balanced roster to some degree. We had Sundin, rookie Kaberle, Thomas, Sullivan, Derek King, Johnson, Modin, Berezin, Perreault, Warriner and McCauley which wasn't comparable to the Big 4 at all, but there was a mix of size, speed, sandpaper, scoring, untapped offensive ability. But we also had the other defensive ingredients like Markov, Yushkevich, Karpovtsev and Garry Valk. And an All-Star in net.

There were multiple ways that team could win. They ended up shutting Philadelphia's offense down completely in the first round. The Pens series was more high flying.

Not having a salary cap certainly helped

 

[Leafs87]

Looking at this team on paper it was a downgrade from last years version which couldn’t get it done. Hard to expect different results. The alarming thing to me is how Austin Matthews is struggling and not looking like himself and the overall weakness and compete of this team. I doubt a coaching change will help much with that. Keefe really is given a poorly built team to work with

 

[Stephen]

Not having a salary cap certainly helped

Those Quinn teams were also never at the top of league spending.

 

[Menzinger]

Those Quinn teams were also never at the top of league spending.

Very true. But I think it did make it easier to flesh out the bottom of the roster not having to worry to the decimal point if a guys salary was going to be for under the cap

 

[rocketman588]

Not having a salary cap certainly helped

Sucks that every candian team only got their shit together after the salary cap.

Leafs with the ability to spend 150 mil would be dope

 

[Stephen]

Very true. But I think it did make it easier to flesh out the bottom of the roster not having to worry to the decimal point if a guys salary was going to be for under the cap

Kind of strange thinking about how conservative MLSE was on spending in those days. When I think about the UFA big tickets like Belfour, Cujo, Gary Roberts, Shayne Corson and Alex Mogilny it was more like Edmonton getting guys like Campbell, Hyman and Evander Kane these days than whatever Detroit was doing buying all-stars. Nieuewendyk was like our O.G. Spezza. Nolan was unfortunately Foligno 1.0. We could use another Leetch though...

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

With points percentage does winning percentage matter anymore?

Does anyone else look at it like a .500 team? We have won 50% of our games?

Or am i too old school

I would agree with you that winning % should matter more but as long as there is still the loser point, pts % matters more as you could have less wins than another team but still have more pts and be higher in the standings.

I wish they would get rid of the loser point. I think it's stupid

 

[TheDoldrums]

Kind of strange thinking about how conservative MLSE was on spending in those days. When I think about the UFA big tickets like Belfour, Cujo, Gary Roberts, Shayne Corson and Alex Mogilny it was more like Edmonton getting guys like Campbell, Hyman and Evander Kane these days than whatever Detroit was doing buying all-stars. Nieuewendyk was like our O.G. Spezza. Nolan was unfortunately Foligno 1.0. We could use another Leetch though...

They were a public company owned by a teachers pension plan back then

I don't really like Bell/Rogers but taking MLSE private with their financial backing was huge for our spending. Unfortunately because we're cursed, it happened in the salary cap era.

 

[The Podium]

I would agree with you that winning % should matter more but as long as there is still the loser point, pts % matters more as you could have less wins than another team but still have more pts and be higher in the standings.

I wish they would get rid of the loser point. I think it's stupid

The loser point has always existed. Ending regulation tied is called a tie, which has been a point on the standings since this leagues inception.

The only difference is the extra point in an OT/SO win

 

[Jojalu]

The sad part is that all of those teams could play tough hockey if needed. We have one way of playing.

The wings had wars against the avs. Maybe we'd stick check them after the whistle if what happened to draper happened to like kerfoot

No one plays like that anymore. Sadly probably will never see it again.

Those Avs/Wings series were something else. Claude Lemieux super pest.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Kind of strange thinking about how conservative MLSE was on spending in those days. When I think about the UFA big tickets like Belfour, Cujo, Gary Roberts, Shayne Corson and Alex Mogilny it was more like Edmonton getting guys like Campbell, Hyman and Evander Kane these days than whatever Detroit was doing buying all-stars. Nieuewendyk was like our O.G. Spezza. Nolan was unfortunately Foligno 1.0. We could use another Leetch though...

Free agency was also 31 back then. Much bigger names hit free agency nowadays.

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

Looking at this team on paper it was a downgrade from last years version which couldn’t get it done. Hard to expect different results. The alarming thing to me is how Austin Matthews is struggling and not looking like himself and the overall weakness and compete of this team. I doubt a coaching change will help much with that. Keefe really is given a poorly built team to work with

Cant agree here. Wise sights and points again sire. Our management should have builded it more tougher too. . We STILL dontget enough hits or that aggressive game. We got no special ratty type of guys.. exsept bunting. He puts his skin on the line. Simmonds is aaaight, but cant play all of the games anymore... that Tikkanen tucker marchand e.kane type of totally missing. Used to be our identity. The crowd loves that shit too.... really gets the eneergy and crowd going in the city of Toronto.

 

[Stephen]

Free agency was also 31 back then. Much bigger names hit free agency nowadays.

Well, the biggest names tended to go to New York, Detroit and sometimes Philadelphia and Dallas before us.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Well, the biggest names tended to go to New York, Detroit and sometimes Philadelphia and Dallas before us.

Mostly by trade though. Hasek, Hull, Gretzky, Messier, Robitaille were some of the non-washed bigger names we missed out on. But the majority of stars (Bourque, Blake, Bure, Jagr, Pronger, Shanahan, Chelios, Lindros, Nieuewendyk etc.) were blockbuster trades. Detroit did better than us for sure, but we might've been the 2nd most successful on July 1st.

 

[andora]

I would agree with you that winning % should matter more but as long as there is still the loser point, pts % matters more as you could have less wins than another team but still have more pts and be higher in the standings.

I wish they would get rid of the loser point. I think it's stupid

So agreed

 

[Stephen]

I would agree with you that winning % should matter more but as long as there is still the loser point, pts % matters more as you could have less wins than another team but still have more pts and be higher in the standings.

I wish they would get rid of the loser point. I think it's stupid

Winning percentage doesn't mean the same thing in hockey as it does in MLB or NBA where there's a simple W-L format.

 

[Racer88]

At the 16 game mark of 2019-20, the Leafs were 8-5-3, exactly where we stand today, so I guess you could say we're an inflexion point where we could 1) keep treading water 2) bottom out 3) hit a winning streak, which I suppose will determine the fate of Keefe. Babcock was fired November 20 at the 23 game mark, so the next two weeks will be important.

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So basically we have done nothing to improve over the last 3 years……he’ll of a job Dubas

 

[Racer88]

The loser point has always existed. Ending regulation tied is called a tie, which has been a point on the standings since this leagues inception.

The only difference is the extra point in an OT/SO win

Correct, however at that time there was no loser so it was simply a tie point. Now the game ultimately is played to a conclusion with the winner getting 2 points and the “loser” getting a single point, hence the name loser point

 

[Jojalu]

So basically we have done nothing to improve over the last 3 years……he’ll of a job Dubas

Well they did set a franchise record for wins and points last year and then lost to a better team in 7 games so there was definite improvement.

 

[egd27]

they only way to not play Tampa last year was to win the Presidents trophy,. It was a pretty high bar.

Not really.
All it would have taken was beating FLA on April 23rd and 2 wins against Arizona (or some other bottom feeder they lost to) and they're playing the Caps instead of the Lightning.

 

[egd27]

Correct, however at that time there was no loser so it was simply a tie point. Now the game ultimately is played to a conclusion with the winner getting 2 points and the “loser” getting a single point, hence the name loser point

I've always preferred to use the term bonus point since the OT or SO does not represent a regular NHL game. (also I'm old enough to remember ties and don't get bent out of shape by them)

 

[The Podium]

Correct, however at that time there was no loser so it was simply a tie point. Now the game ultimately is played to a conclusion with the winner getting 2 points and the “loser” getting a single point, hence the name loser point

I get the name, it’s just not a new concept like everyone seems to think. The extra point is what’s different