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[LokiDog]

By the way… did you know who Emily Kaplan’s uncle is(n’t really)?

 

[Off Sides]

The Canes make tape to tape in stride passes. They generate speed and forechecking through it.

The Rangers even when they are not scrambling just to chip it out or in, make passes into each other skates, or behind the intended recipient, or elevated like a foot off the ice. It been like that pretty much for the whole playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

It’s fine. We’re learning things.

Mostly that we need more depth and a shutdown center. Also that Strome isn’t a long term piece.

Team can realistically be better next season than this one. Lots of big gun teams loaded up this year. We’ve lasted longer than most predicted

I think this has been a good exercise in showing where our weaknesses lie and should allow for an aggressive, efficient attack this summer.

I think it's also shown that we're not that far off either. Our areas to improve aren't things like 1C, 1D, etc. where you just can't get them. It's stuff that's attainable. You mentioned some. I'll throw in LD. I'd like to give young players a chance but just in case, you don't want to be going into the playoffs with Nemeth again. Keep Braun for the same thing on the right.

My biggest takeaway (positive one anyway) from the playoffs so far is that if the playoffs ended today, Zibanejad has a legitimate case to be second for the Conn Smythe (212,364,788,945 votes behind McDavid and I'll take that). Our #1 center, the biggest potential problem that we had no way of fixing, has totally come through.

Phone battery at 16%. It's a sign.

Brassard re-signs to be 4C?

 

[Raspewtin]

it was sincerely a terrible game (to watch) in every aspect. we lost every ounce of momentum when Strome's goal was rightfully called back.

but this is still house money. you guys should unironically be thrilled that they're taking this team that is better than us at literally everything as far as they are.

yeah the vets are dogshit except for Zibanejad but it is what it is. this team is greatly overachieving with, what i'm willing to bet, is a f***load of injuries. For god's sake Fox and Panarin literally can't skate right now and Fox has been confirmed injured since January.

it is what it is, hope for the best in game 6

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think this has been a good exercise in showing where our weaknesses lie and should allow for an aggressive, efficient attack this summer.

I think it's also shown that we're not that far off either. Our areas to improve aren't things like 1C, 1D, etc. where you just can't get them. It's stuff that's attainable. You mentioned some. I'll throw in LD. I'd like to give young players a chance but just in case, you don't want to be going into the playoffs with Nemeth again. Keep Braun for the same thing on the right.

My biggest takeaway (positive one anyway) from the playoffs so far is that if the playoffs ended today, Zibanejad has a legitimate case to be second for the Conn Smythe (212,364,788,945 votes behind McDavid and I'll take that). Our #1 center, the biggest potential problem that we had no way of fixing, has totally come through.

Definitely agree with this and am positive / optimistic on the whole with how it's coming together. When we are sitting here this summer and can reflect on the fact that this team came back in the Pens series and the overall performances guys like Zibanejad, Fox, Shesty turned in I think everyone is gonna be pretty happy.

The one thing I don't share your optimism for is Panarin. With an injury asterix of course. But he has shown less than zero that he is going to be anywhere near a $11.6M player in the postseason moving forward, which is obviously extremely problematic for the future prospects of this team.

 

[Chytilmania]

The fault of GG took place all season. He's been way too soft on them. We are out of shape compared to Carolina. We literally cannot compete because of it. Fatigue is real and it's playing a major role. We've gone from playing 40-50 games and we're now approaching 100. Adam Fox's workload jumped dramatically... 55 games vs 90 games. There's a major difference there.

The country club atmosphere needs to change if we want to win anything. We were not physically prepared for this IMO


He needs to take training more serious especially when he's getting the ice time he's getting.

I think it’s less on GG and more on most of these guys are approaching double the games they’ve played the last two seasons along with many of them not taking offseason workouts seriously so they are really breaking down.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

By the way… did you know who Emily Kaplan’s uncle is(n’t really)?

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I thought it was Gabe Kaplan

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The fault of GG took place all season. He's been way too soft on them. We are out of shape compared to Carolina. We literally cannot compete because of it. Fatigue is real and it's playing a major role. We've gone from playing 40-50 games and we're now approaching 100. Adam Fox's workload jumped dramatically... 55 games vs 90 games. There's a major difference there.

The country club atmosphere needs to change if we want to win anything. We were not physically prepared for this IMO


He needs to take training more serious especially when he's getting the ice time he's getting.

Agree the conditioning and accountability needs to improve.

Fox was never quick to begin with, I feel he could work on his acceleration. There's strength and power skating work he can do over the summer to improve. If his skating were as much of a weapon as his brain and hands he would be damn near un-containable.

 

[Machinehead]

Definitely agree with this and am positive / optimistic on the whole with how it's coming together. When we are sitting here this summer and can reflect on the fact that this team came back in the Pens series and the overall performances guys like Zibanejad, Fox, Shesty turned in I think everyone is gonna be pretty happy.

The one thing I don't share your optimism for is Panarin. With an injury asterix of course. But he has shown less than zero that he is going to be anywhere near a $11.6M player in the postseason moving forward, which is obviously extremely problematic for the future prospects of this team.

I think it's bad. When they did the blueshirts off our backs thing, he just disappeared and nobody got his jersey.

That tells me that he can't take off a jersey without it being apparent how hurt he is.

 

[Raspewtin]

I think besides the vets being bad in general there are a few things to be really frustrated with

1. Kakko. Been absolutely horrid since g1 against Carolina. Like, bad to the point where I'm willing to let him go at this point. He's just not good enough.

2. Kreider pulling a vanishing act at the worst possible time. He has sleep walked through these entire playoffs. We don't (just) need goals from him, we need strong board play and winning battles in tight, and jamming the net for chances. He's not doing ANY of that AND he looks f***ing slow as shit. Vatrano is trying to bring that but he's just not good enough and it's not his fault. His legnedary PP season aside, he has a serious case to be demoted to the middle 6 if this is how he's going to play, which, unpopular opinion, is exactly how he played at least half the year. you just didn't notice cause he's scoring.

3. Not upgrading on Schneider and trusting he'd be good enough. He's not. He's not an NHL defender right now and we're driving our top 4 into the ground because he can't play.

4. Thinking Reaves is good, and the fact that he's here another year. This whole "set the tone" garbage has been completely disproven this playoffs. You know who does that? Tyler Motte. Not this sad sack on his last legs that can't do much of anything while there isn't a whistle.

5. GG very much earned his reputation as a stubborn, thick skulled goof. Has absolutely no sense of strategy or sense for the game. Saving the line blending for period 3 isn't enough. There are decisions that all of us could identify that are hurting the team and he just rolls with them.

6. Jacob f***ing Trouba. I don't care about his hits. I don't care about his physicality. He's been f***ING ATROCIOUS these playoffs. He has directly cost us 4-5 goals in these two series because of his careless and stiff play with the puck. He's been slow, stiff, and uninspired since game 1. I hope he's injured because he's been DREADFUL.

ok I guess that's more than a few lol

 

[Fitzy]

I think this has been a good exercise in showing where our weaknesses lie and should allow for an aggressive, efficient attack this summer.

I think it's also shown that we're not that far off either. Our areas to improve aren't things like 1C, 1D, etc. where you just can't get them. It's stuff that's attainable.

That's just it, and one of the reasons to be more optimistic.

It's a long cry from the days where we brought in 30+ year old Richards to try to be a 1C, made high cost moves for Yandle, Nash, and MSL to try to get primary scoring.

It's hard to fill the most important pieces through trade and unrestricted free agency.

What this group needs is secondary pieces that don't suck. I'm optimistic about Lafreniere. Nemeth was a disaster.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I think this has been a good exercise in showing where our weaknesses lie and should allow for an aggressive, efficient attack this summer.

I think it's also shown that we're not that far off either. Our areas to improve aren't things like 1C, 1D, etc. where you just can't get them. It's stuff that's attainable. You mentioned some. I'll throw in LD. I'd like to give young players a chance but just in case, you don't want to be going into the playoffs with Nemeth again. Keep Braun for the same thing on the right.

My biggest takeaway (positive one anyway) from the playoffs so far is that if the playoffs ended today, Zibanejad has a legitimate case to be second for the Conn Smythe (212,364,788,945 votes behind McDavid and I'll take that). Our #1 center, the biggest potential problem that we had no way of fixing, has totally come through.


Brassard re-signs to be 4C?

Agree. We are really close. If Drury is as smart and efficient this summer as he was at the deadline. We are going to have a fun season in 22-23. Health permitting.

 

[Chytilmania]

Hey it could be worse…I’m waiting at the barber shop and I hear “can’t believe the Rangers only got 17 shots last night. 10 in the 1st two periods. Calgary had 17 in the 1st period alone.” At least we all know we are facing Carolina.

EDIT- He would rather have Vasi in goal over Igor and Laf can’t finish.

 

[Machinehead]

Agree. We are really close. If Drury is as smart and efficient this summer as he was at the deadline. We are going to have a fun season in 22-23. Health permitting.

I think the moves at the deadline more or less hit what we needed.

Some of the usage thereof has been disappointing but you know, NHL coaching. Can't take them anywhere.

 

[Off Sides]

I'd add Kreider to the, does not look good list along with Panarin.

Zbad, Copp I think have been more or less fine, if not good.

Miller has been great. Fox is not Fox level but he has not been bad. Trouba and Lindgren both have their positive and negative sides, always will. 3rd pair, I would have given Jones a chance, at least he can pass.

The 4th line, sorry but RR and whoever they stick with them, it's slow, it prodding and there is no way Rooney and Reeves should be playing against a team like the Canes.

The kids are kids, some look better than others, yet whatever, looks like a bunch of bridge deals.

 

[FultonReed]

reverse jinx is super real right now

 

[chosen]

I'm gonna give Panarin a pass for this playoffs. We know he's hurt, we just don't know how bad.

We also know he sucks with Strome. Why the Rangers keep beating themselves over the head with this, I just don't understand. Copp seems to make it better but he looks banged up too.

We're in it for the long haul with Panarin and I would kick the tires on Copp depending on what he wants and how the Rangers will use him (I have no interest in another winger). Strome is the one I'm done with.

He's done nothing in the playoffs - 7 points, 1 goal, and every bad habit is magnified. I think Ryan Strome is a good hockey player. In the right role, he'll be an asset. This team ain't it. He's a secondary player and he's bad at everything our top players aren't strong at. He isn't a compliment to this lineup and he's not quite good enough to be a square peg and you just accept it.

He also drastically hurts our best player when they're together and again, I just can't get my head around why the Rangers see the opposite.

I absolutely believe we're not watching the real Panarin. A guy has a great year, a great career and has been a star in the playoffs, earlier.

He gets hurt near the end of the season and can't even come out for the jersey signings, yet Blais could. This makes me think if he had come out, there would have been very clear evidence of his ailment. The rumor was that he was seen in a sling.

The interesting thing about Strome is that he played better when Panarin wasn't in the lineup. At least that's my memory. Strome is a decent second-line player and I think he takes way too much abuse here compared to his on-ice performance.

The only galling thing about him, to me, is his penchant for taking bonehead offensive zone penalties.

He'll be gone next year and we'll have to find us a new whipping boy.

I'm way more concerned about Kakko. He has gone from pure trash to okay defensively. That's not what you want for a #2 pick.

I mentioned this in the game thread but has anyone else noticed how less dynamic Miller has been compared to in the Pitt series?

Hoping Zac Jones is on the team next season.

 

[Chytilmania]

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reverse jinx is super real right now

What a fake! Both him and Whit going for the reverse jinx now.

 

[Machinehead]

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reverse jinx is super real right now

No this is legit.

Henrik leaned over, still smiling, and whispered "De Niro lives downstairs from me and would hate to see you have an accident."

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I think the moves at the deadline more or less hit what we needed.

Some of the usage thereof has been disappointing but you know, NHL coaching. Can't take them anywhere.

Imagine trading for a 2nd line center and watching him get used as a winger because the coach unfathomably keeps throwing Strome who sucks out there in that spot. Exasperating the situation is the fact the team can't win faceoffs and that happens to be a strength of the guy you traded for.

Or trading for a 3rd line winger and then watch him get plugged in on the top line while the 1st overall pick you were gifted rots on the 3rd line with no PP time.



I'd have a stern chat with the coaching staff.

 

[Chytilmania]

Hoping Zac Jones is on the team next season.

After watching these playoffs I hope we use him to get a Center. As great as he is moving the puck I think Pitt and Carolina would beat the crap out of him. Not sure he’s a great playoff defender.

 

[Raspewtin]

I absolutely believe we're not watching the real Panarin. A guy has a great year, a great career and has been a star in the playoffs, earlier.

He gets hurt near the end of the season and can't even come out for the jersey signings, yet Blais could. This makes me think if he had come out, there would have been very clear evidence of his ailment. The rumor was that he was seen in a sling.

The interesting thing about Strome is that he played better when Panarin wasn't in the lineup. At least that's my memory. Strome is a decent second-line player and I think he takes way too much abuse here compared to his on-ice performance.

The only galling thing about him, to me, is his penchant for taking bonehead offensive zone penalties.

He'll be gone next year and we'll have to find us a new whipping boy.

I'm way more concerned about Kakko. He has gone from pure trash to okay defensively. That's not what you want for a #2 pick.

I mentioned this in the game thread but has anyone else noticed how less dynamic Miller has been compared to in the Pitt series?

Hoping Zac Jones is on the team next season.

It was also the other way around too, when Copp got here and Strome got hurt Panarin played his best hockey of the year. With Copp at center with Panarin and whoever they had on the other side (IIRC it was Kakko and Hunt switching) they were outstanding. This is because Copp is one of the best transition forwards in hockey where i'm willing to bet, honest to god, Strome is one of the worst. But I do think Strome is also better away from Panarin, but still not amazing. It's just really frustrating that there seems to be nothing that can break them apart and it's lasted for two f***ing coaches.

Miller has played more hockey to this point than he has his entire college career combined. I think it's more than fair to expect he hasn't looked as dynamic. He also has to carry Trouba's stupid ass around with him. He is absolutely the least of my concerns.

Agreed on Jones and Kakko.

After watching these playoffs I hope we use him to get a Center. As great as he is moving the puck I think Pitt and Carolina would beat the crap out of him. Not sure he’s a great playoff defender.

Zac Jones would be the most evasive defender on the team, that matters a lot to avoiding hits and being durable.

Fox has gotten crunched several times these playoffs and always gets right back up. I really don't get this attitude that being small means you just cease to exist in the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

My thing with Kakko is I really like his game but then you look up and he has 2 points in his last 12 and you're like "really???" and that happens way too often.

Lafreniere at least has a few points and a big goal. He was great against Pittsburgh because he was finally shooting. He's gone right back to like 2 shots in 5 games in this series and that's also frustrating.

I don't understand why both guys are so timid about playing offense. They're certainly not timid in any other respect.

Maybe as the years progress, we find that Kakko just doesn't have the ability to play offense. I don't know and I certainly hope not. I don't think that's a possibility with Lafreniere. He literally can just shoot more and scores when he does. He was huge volume shooter in the Q.

Our staff has to do a better job of fine-tuning here. Both Lafreniere and Kakko seem like guys who would go through a wall if you ask them to so it's not like they're just not coachable.

 

[duhmetreE]

It's time to release fresh legs.

Rooney and Reaves provide nothing. Get Brodz in. Hopefully, Goodrow is miraculously ready to go for Game 6.

Maybe use Braun - Schneider more to give the top4 a chance to breath. It's blatantly obvious Fox and Trouba hit a wall. IMO the home crowd energizes them but there's a good chance it will be stale in G7.

Break up Strome and Panarin. It. is. not. working.

Kreider Zibs Copp
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Laffy Strome Vatrano
Motte Goodrow Brodz

PLEASE. do something. We have been bad at even strength the entire Playoffs. How bad is it? The line of Motte Rooney Reaves have our best xG%

We cannot get the puck out of our zone. We take forever and there's no puck support. I have no problem air-mailing it out of the zone when it's required but it can't be your one and only go-to option.

If you want, for the home game, get Panarin up with Zibs.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Kreider's disappearing act is one of the biggest problems facing this team. Vatrano isn't good enough for the role he's filling and Mika is trying his hardest but with Kreider MIA he can only do so much.

It's not even just about goals, Kreider just looks lost out there. He's overthinking and slowing down all game. He's not using his speed to open up lanes, he's not winning board battles, he's not confident and decisive around the net, hesitating and double clutching on rebound chances instead of putting them on net. He looks like a totally different player than he did all season.